| Author | Message | ||
     Ratyson |
At least I have the comfort in knowing that all representatives in my state voted no. But it only provides a little bit of comfort. | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
quote: "The most frightening thing is that when folks who cant afford the "plan" and cant pay the penalty then what? " -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ It is very simple, an earlier version of this bill contained the answer. For some people, they will be prosecuted and be declared a felon, lose the option to vote or own firearms, will have fines imposed along with potential jail time. For other people, they will be given a waiver and will have prosecution waived and will have their costs waived. This may or may not coincidentally parallel political alliances, voting records, and demographic/geographic profiles. Good Point, and not out of the Realm of Possibility. | ||
| Sifo |
I have been so STUPID! Passing this last night opened my eyes. I awoke this morning with an epiphany! If we can simply legislate that people purchase their insurance to fix the problem with the uninsured- Then surely we can apply the exact same method to the home mortgage crisis. Lets just pass a law stating that people are mandated to pay their mortgage! Crisis solved! Economy fixed! BO is such a fV<k!ng genius! (Message edited by SIFO on March 22, 2010) | ||
| Nevrenuf |
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| Buell2001b |
thanks to Obama now I can sahre a room at the hospital with a Junkie. he has as much right as I do even though he does not pay taxes or ever will. or even better with a smelly stinky homeless. great job Obamarama | ||
| Moxnix |
What hath Obama wrought? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgQgzKVX9jc | ||
| Buell2001b |
when does the civil war start!! | ||
| Reindog |
There is not going to be a civil war in your lifetime so you need to adapt and learn how to make the three branches of federal government work for you. I am just as angry as most Americans this morning but anger alone won't accomplish anything. You can start by joining the Republican Party. When enough people show their beliefs in this manner, both parties will take notice and start acting responsibly. We Republicans believe in the sanctity of the individual and taking personal responsibility which has been the BEDROCK of what makes America great. Ask virtually ANY newly arrived legal immigrant about the value and liberation of taking personal responsibility. Many immigrants left their mother countries where their government ordered them what to do. Freedom rocks but it is NEVER easy. | ||
| Macbuell |
TERM LIMITS. I want Term Limits. I am sick and tired of career politicians ruining our country!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Buell2001b |
no civil war!why not we have healthacre for everyone. no point in not getting hurt, its FREE thanks to obama banana | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Macbuell, We would need only convince Our Representatives that there is a necessity for "term limits". Until then, We will get the Status Quo. In New York State, I have the (privilege?) of Charles "chattering class" Schumer, and Charlie "I didn't pay My taxes fully again this Year?" Rangel to foretell the future of My state. These crooks would never allow themselves to be regulated, and those who will eventually take their places, will NEVER allow themselves to be regulated, in any way, shape or form. That is how most of them keep them selves from Prison Terms. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Eh..taxes..socialism...whatever. All I cared about was recission. My mom paid her insurance every month on time. Guess what happened when she got cancer? If it hurts the insruance companies, I'm all for it. | ||
| Buell2001b |
well stupid does not get it. its the Jobs we are worried about not Obananacare | ||
| Texastechx1 |
219 to 211... damn thats close... such bull shit. why can't they just leave us alone? | ||
| Pwnzor |
arm yourselves. | ||
| Swordsman |
The Republicans may have voted no on this, but that doesn't mean they're the good guys. I suspect that was more of an Us vs. Them reaction. The Republicans are not in the business of smaller government power (see Patriot Act). If you want to get the Government out of our business, start looking at the Libertarians. They're the ONLY party talking about reducing the size of this monstrosity. If everyone that was pissed about this got on the Libertarian wagon, they'd be a political juggernaut overnight. ~SM | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Libertarians have the benefit of political virginity. NO Libertarian has held any material office. | ||
| Ohio_xb12 |
NO Libertarian has held any material office This is a good point. We should work to change this and get some elected. (Assuming we support the individuals platform) | ||
| Swordsman |
That's the idea. Most people that would vote Libertarian get scared at the last minute, convince themselves that there's no chance, and settle for a Republican as the next closest thing. I think we've reached a point where that's no longer true (Republicans being close, that is). From here on, I'm voting Libertarian no matter the odds. If enough people will do that and not waffle, it would throw a mighty monkeywrench in Washington's schemes. ~SM (Message edited by Swordsman on March 22, 2010) | ||
| Reindog |
All you are accomplishing with Libertarianism is dividing Conservatives and ensuring future Leftist victories. At heart, I AM a Libertarian (and a Conservative) but the power lies within the Republican party. Reformation of the Republican party from within is a more reasonable and possible course of action than making absolute statements about voting Libertarian "no matter the odds". | ||
| Cityxslicker |
"And we all know where this kind of waste comes from -- indefensible, no-bid contracts that cost taxpayers billions and make contractors rich; special interests and their exotic projects that are years behind schedule and billions over budget; entrenched lobbyists pushing weapons that even our military says it doesn't want and doesn't need -- the impulse in Washington to win political points back home by building things that we don't need at costs we can't afford. This waste would be unacceptable at any time, but at a time when we're fighting two wars and facing a serious deficit, it's inexcusable. It's unconscionable. It's an affront to the American people and to our troops, and it has to stop. " Apparently slashing Defense logic doesnt apply to HealthCare pork.... Barack OBama on slashing Defense and signing 'Fiscal' responsibility in October of 2009 | ||
| Ratyson |
We Republicans believe in the sanctity of the individual and taking personal responsibility which has been the BEDROCK of what makes America great. Reindog, as that may be true with Republicans(the individuals who "are" republicans), that is in no way true with the professional politician form of Republican (for the most part, there are some exceptions). The professional politician Republicans want the money and power just as much as the Democrats, and care little, if any, about the individual's rights and liberty. As has been said, The Patriot Act speaks to that pretty loudly. I vote for what I think is right for this country, and neither of the two parties in charge are good for this country. } (Message edited by ratyson on March 22, 2010) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Until 2008, a socialist had never held major office in the United States. We have seen the outcome of that. There is virtually no need for Libertarians when Republicans hold Conservative ideals. We simply haven't seen that for a very long time. I discussed this third party issue in another thread. Had Perot not been in the 1992 election, Clinton would have one Arkansas and Washington, DC. | ||
| Hootowl |
I'd still like to see the "no bid" contract he keeps talking about. If it's the Halliburton one, that was bid, and won. Then there was a no-bid extension to that contract because they were already in theater performing the same mission that the contract called for. That's called efficiency, not thievery. | ||
| Reindog |
You are probably correct, Rat. The career Republicans botched up big time a few years ago. However, the pendulum needs to swing away from the Socialist Democrats as quickly as possible. The newly elected Republicans should act as Conservatives for a window of time before they, too, become corrupted by power. This is why Term Limits is a good idea. What I wrote this morning remains true and switching to the Republican party will send a proper message to Washington to halt, if not slow down, the Socialist agenda of the runaway Democratic party. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The meaning of "Republican" and "Conservative" have been lost over time. It's time to reclaim the meanings of these words. Those who advocate decentralized control, limited Federal government, stronger local government, states rights are Republican or advocate a nation that is formed as a republic (rather than a democracy, monarchy, oligarchy, theocracy, etc.). Those who advocate strict constructionist interpretations of the Constitution are Conservatives (not "conservatives just want to CONSERVE the old way of doing things"). When Conservative Republicans adhere to and advocate these two main core principles, they win. When they abandon these principles in favor of bigger government and a liberal interpretation of the constitution, Republicans lose. | ||
| Macbuell |
Can't we get Term Limits passed via a Ballot Initiative? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
We can get term limits passed via Constitutional Amendment. The 37 states currently lining up to sue the Federal Government will more than likely be the first in line for the Constitutional Convention. This is going to be "interesting". Damn you Confucius.  | ||
| Just_ziptab |
When our elected officials need medical care, what plan do they fall under? That's what I thought.......  | ||
| Aesquire |
The problem with a Constitutional convention is what the socialist/communist/fascist/progressives will do with it. "living breathing document" is a scary thing when evil people are doing the CPR. Pick one or many of the prev. words.... it's hard to tell today. I'd rank Obama as Fascist/marxist, but he'd call himself progressive/communitarian.... but if they want govt. to control all they can grab, and individuals can suck it... thats bad guys in my book. http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/aristotles_ warning.html I don't care if they call themselves "freedom & love".... if they want to ensure "economic justice" with armed force, that's evil. Roadcouch98, you forgot Louise Slaughter who's been in congress since 1789, and "tickle me Massa" who apparently has been in the closet so long he thinks hangers are decor. Chuck-you Schumer, who thinks people who believe in the Constitution are losers ( I can't find the youtube video on that one, but I remember hearing it ) has zero chance of losing an election. He's very good at getting some federal funds for local projects just before election time. New York is the Imperial State. When the head of the drunk driving committee gets a DWI, the ways & means guy in the U.S. Congress forgets about a half million $ in bank accounts ( and Rangel made sure they were properly sized to be covered by FDIC, funny enough ) and is somehow way richer than someone of his income can possibly justify.... Then there's our Governors! Not counting the people's republics of Kalifornia, & Massachusetts we got the best state govt. money can buy. |
