| Author | Message | ||
     Gentleman_jon |
I probably wouldn't buy a Harley today, but I have owned one for a couple of years, and I have enjoyed sharing information with similarly situated Buell people on "Critical Mass" the Harley topic on Bad Web. I would be very unhappy, on top of the recent unpleasantness in East Troy, to have this pleasant diversion summarily removed because of a stupid and mean move by The Motor Company. It seems a shame to punish Badwebbers for missteps taken by the mother ship. | ||
| Blake |
Unless/until HDI does the right thing (sells or re-invents Buell Motorcycle Company), BadWeB cannot support their precious "brand". Seeing this topic on the list literally makes me sick to my stomach. This in no way is intended to punish any riders or Buell Enthusiastic Dealers or vendors. It is merely a reflection of what this site is really about, Buell Motorcycle Enthusiasts and Buell Motorcycles. This site will not show any deference to HDI or HDMC or their "brand" unless/until they can see fit to do the same for BMC. | ||
| Oddball |
I thought the FAG section was funny. Just needed Cartman saying "Welcome FAGS, now get out."  I personally wouldn't be rude to a hd rider/owner just cause they ride one. I've met some nice people and seen ones that fit the show exactly. I just take the personal laughs I get in those instances as a day brightener and go on about my business. It's those in command over there that perhaps deserve the turned backs. Even that I'd withhold until I'd tried to talk with them. If/when that goes nowhere then the cold shoulder would be applicable. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Funny maybe, appropriate name for thread in a public forum, maybe not. Should we call anybody who didnt fork out the money for an XB and bought an SV650 instead a "jew" for being cheap? No. Whether you believe 'fag' is an appropriate term for an HD rider or still a derogatory term for a gay person is really immaterial. Its still 'hatespeak' and breeds the same. The "N" word is still not yet accepted for universal usage no matter how often we hear it said by black comedians. Taking your social cues from a cartoon is somewhat misguided. What next? Hunting tips from Elmer Fudd? Parenting advice from Homer Simpson? I dont much care whether we keep the HD forum or not. The fervent animosity towards HD here is understood. I do hope a more balanced attitude is achieved otherwise, imho, both Buell and HD riders will be worse off for it. If the attitude prevails, then it may make getting Buell parts and service at the HD dealership more difficult (at the very least) or from anyone else. | ||
| Swordsman |
Eh, Blake's site. If he wants to ditch the H-D section, more power to him. Not like there's any shortage of other H-D forums out there to choose from. Honestly, I'm curious why the Rooster board is still here.... devoting a whole section to a bike that never existed? ~SM | ||
| Rah7777777 |
+1 for Blake!!!!!!! I agree with you 110%! -Robert www.xblights.com | ||
| Rasta_dog |
It makes so much sense that I can't believe we all haven't been demanding the scourge be removed. Out damn spot! | ||
| Uncbuell |
Thanks Blake! | ||
| Joebuell |
Kill it dead. | ||
| Buelldawg |
Well put Blake!!!!  | ||
| Circusninja |
+1 Blake | ||
| Rightpecial |
If you can't take a joke, don't read the thread. Personally, this makes me laugh and I've owned Harleys...won't buy another one until corporate stops acting like douch bags, but that's my choice. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Well, I guess so many here are blinded by rage that they really missed the point....or only see what they want to see. | ||
| Thunder1203 |
I for 1 can't imagine why there was any reference to HD on here Back home Hayabusa.org doesn't have a post on BM's or HD's. +1 for Blake | ||
| Alchemy |
The community of Buell riders exists separate from this board and from HOG and lots of other topics. This board however gets some support from HD Dealerships. This move seems like it could be a bit short-sighted and lose some dealer sponsor support. Maybe that support is already going or is no longer needed and in that case no harm. As a community maybe we should be thinking of who we can welcome into our community rather than pushing away. This board gives our community a cozy home and we need it to be healthy and thriving rather than being more isolated. The fruits of isolation may one day visit the HD motor company. Our riders can come from the HD rider ranks as well as others. I would think our future is about the community of riders that have interest in Buells regardless of where they come from or their history. There is some sympathy for Buell riders right now and slamming the door may not be the best long term approach even if it feels awfully good right now. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Well said Alchemy. | ||
| Blake |
Unless/until HDI does the right thing (sells or re-invents Buell Motorcycle Company), BadWeB cannot support their precious "brand". Seeing this topic on the list literally makes me sick to my stomach. This in no way is intended to punish any riders or Buell Enthusiastic Dealers or vendors. It is merely a reflection of what this site is really about, Buell Motorcycle Enthusiasts and Buell Motorcycles. This site will not show any deference to HDI or HDMC or their "brand" unless/until they can see fit to do the same for BMC. | ||
| Pammy |
I, for one am against "deleting" Harley from this board. Some folks own both. Most people I know do. As a matter of fact, they started on Harley's(as did I). Where would Buell have been without HD's support over the years? I understand the anger, but let's not forget to be grateful for past support. | ||
| Boltrider |
Times change. I support it. | ||
| Steveford |
We were always the red headed step children with the chromeosexuals. Plenty of Harley sites out there, I'm sure. I'm with Blake. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I think it should stay. Lots of Harley owners that have no interest in Buells are as mad as we are about the level of stupidity in Milwaukee today. | ||
| Alchemy |
It is not in the self interest of HD to sell Buell and introduce another potential competitor into their market. Even releasing their IP or licensing it would involve legal review and buy-in. Legal will always say NO to such proposals in my experience. Unless their is unusually strong management feelings, top management will never go against legal advice and legal always takes the most conservative position meaning NO. My example of this is BeOS. When it was bought out by Palm (for the employees really) after being driven into the dirt by MSFT business practices (MS settled in court), Palm would never spin off the product or release ANY IP. People tried to reach licensing agreements and even money was offered. Nothing was released ever. Kiss it goodbye. The BeOS community felt strongly about this an eventually rewrote the code from the ground up but it took over 5 years. Time and energy was wasted trying to get Palm to show a little bit of heart. I think the walls are up at HD and unless a LOT of money is waived before their nose they will want to bury this incident as quickly and deeply as possible. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
I agree with Pammy. When I got my Harley, she helped me with some technical problems that I had with my big twin that did not have an analogue in the Buell Engine. I have been able to share my limited knowledge with FXD owners who want better handling. Nothing to do with the Motor Company really. Just Buelligans helping Buelliggans. That's what this board is all about. Isn't it?  | ||
| Livers |
From the Rules: "I will not post profane or vulgar language, nor will I engage in personal attacks nor in malicious derision in any form of other users of the board." Unless you are a FAG. Got it. | ||
| Bartimus |
I agree with Pammy. If people get sick seeing the name Harley, perhaps it can be moved to the backfire board... | ||
| Elvis |
It's really a shame that, in many cases, Buell rider's anger with Harley the company has created friction between riders of both brands. We should all be in this together. If I owned a Harley, I'd like to think I would be a vocal advocate for the Harley board doing the right thing and releasing the Buell rights. Why would I defend them? Harley's actions are wrong no matter how you look at it and I'd want them to fix it so I could ride my bike without that stigma hanging over it. The Harley Davidson board (most of whose members probably couldn't adjust a clutch cable to save their lives) is wrong and it's a very sad manifestation of their crime that they're driving a wedge between good people on both sides. There's no amount of money that is worth the harm this small group of small-minded people are doing. Harley riders as well as Buell riders should be telling them that. The Harley board really needs to think about what they're doing to the brand. If you've always dreamed of the wind-in-your-hair, open-road lifestyle of the corporate lawyer . . . maybe you're ready. Harley Davidson (Message edited by elvis on November 19, 2009) | ||
| Xbrfirebolt |
I just bought a 2003 Dyna Super Glide Sport in the morning before HD announced the death of Buell. Would I have bought it after the news, probably. The bike is fun to ride. It's lighter; it's made to corner, or cruise. Fully adjustable front and rear suspension. It was recommended on this forum by other members. I ride because I enjoy it. I have since I was in Junior High School. I've had allot of bikes through the years. My first Harley- Davidson, a Pan Head I bought when I was in the 11th grade. Sold it 4 years later when I got married. I guess the point I'm trying to make is I understand people are mad at HD, so am I. I love my XB12R, but why take it out on your other members? We didn't cause the problem that we're all in. I enjoy the friendship, and good information I've received in all the forums. I've given others information, and taken time to find answers for people on the XBoard and Quick Board. We're all riders here after all, no matter which bikes we ride. | ||
| Mikej |
So be it then. I have a story, but it is from the days before the Buell brand existed, from back in the late 1960's to late 1970's era, it involves outlaw bikers and campfires and insiders and outsiders, and tolerance or lack thereof. But there isn't a Buell in it, or if there was then he wasn't saying much and blended into the background, so I won't tell it. So be it, good day. | ||
| Mmmi_grad |
Several of us have here have been on the same page since Oct 15th. Blake is doing the right thing and it reflects what alot of people here have been saying since Oct 15th and will for the rest of their lives! If I got to repeat here in this post, you dont understand. Ill bet many of also own Harleys and will buy more just like me. This is more than just about our personal feelings or superficial prejudice towards other bikes and what some other people do. To me hd hasnt learned a ••••••• thing since amf, they have abused the customers time and time again. Its over with and if that means no more hd motor company , I think that might even be good with me. Let another American company take the lead and put an end to the dum assed scwandering of money, peoples jobs and the out right fleecing of the American consumer. Lets have some reality, ironic isnt it. (Message edited by mmmi_grad on November 19, 2009) | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Sure, Mike, tease us with a story, but dont tell it! "Let another American company take the lead"LOL! Good luck with that. |
