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     Buckinfubba |
Alright I am ready to put my head on the chopping block. Me and a partner of mine have been working for 3 months testing and tuning this thing. My criteria was simple, lets come up with a pipe that works well with just the ecm and airfilter and make it affordable, and not be a loud crackly sound but a deep throaty sound. We finally have done it! Kevin Drum is the name of my partner in this. He is mainly a body work man by trade but has been making pipes for friends for a while. He has made our race plastics for years and has made pipes for some of the dirt trackers here and there. He has a 96 s1 himself that is a sight to behold and ride. When I rode it I said man whats been done to this engine. his reply was just a valve job. I couldn't belive it it was strong. Then I ask about the intake runner and pipe , who made them he said well I did, I just goof around with this stuff. I said are ya ready to goof around with and xb! we ahve it now. I will post the charts, and photos later when I get help from bear to do this. Computer mess with me.Anyway I will describe the set up and results. Race ecm and filter and modified (heavely stock can) it is almost 8lbs light than stock and 4 lbs lighter than the race pipe. So mounting issuse are not a concern. That was another requirement of mine. we have a virtual flat torque curve from 2.5k to 4.7 k rpm which is 7 ft/lbs better than race kit and at 2.8k it is 15 ft/lbs better than stock. the number is 58 ft/lbs of torque from 2.5k to 4.7k at 4.7 it starts a climb up , at 5.2 k it is at 65 ft/lbs and it stays there til almost 6.5k at 7k it still has 60 ft/lbs. that over stock is about 12 ft/lbs better than stock and about 3 more than the race kit. HP goes like this, it is 4 to 5 hp better than the race kit from 2.5k to 4.2k it is 1 to 2 hp less than the race from 4.6 to 5.2 k than it is 3 hp better till redline. compared to stock it is 7hp better from 2.5k to 4.0k from 4k to 5k it is 3hp better. here it climbs hard and at 5.5k it is 9hp better at 6k it is 11hp more and is the same at 6.5 k. Max nubers are this 80.5 hp 65.1 torque, race kit numbers are 77.5k hp 64.1 torque. stock is 72.8 hp 56.6 torque. this was done with the stock xb9 undrilled airbox. The new xb12 airbox added about 1 or 2 to the numbers in different spots. This bike to ride is a hoot. 1st gear 2.5k just turn the throttle and the front end stands straight up. On a 9s this would be a wheelie monster. A cool thing also is the smooth power delivery because of the flat tourque curve. An interesting thing also happened on my ride home last night, in 1st gear going up to redline at 5.5k the front wheel lifted of the ground and this was with me leaned forward in a tuck postion. we will come up with a price later today and I will also post pics later. There will be 3 prices, one as an exchange price, one for if you send us the pipe and we work it and send it back to you, and one where we send you a whole new pipe. The pipe is called "THE DRUMMER" named for my partner and kinda the sound it makes. We will probably come up with a kit price also for those that don't already have the ecm and filter. Turn around time can be very quick on these. I can really put into words how this pipe feels, but It feels like a different bike compared to the race kit and the D&D pipe. it will be affordable somewhere in the $425 range for just a pipe, obviously less if its and exchange. I will let you know later. Alright I've thrown my hat in the ring of aftermarket pipes and I feel confident in this pipe. I am a Buell customer as much as any of you and want the best at a good price. Sorry for being so long winded. I am just a proud papa! Brian Tilley hd/buell buckinfubba@hotmail.com 704-872-3883 | ||
| Buckinfubba |
BTW if any body has a xb12 with race ecm and filter to try this on we may be able to work a deal for you. I know it will work I just wanna see the numbers. | ||
| Easyflier |
Brian, Just out of curiousity, have you tried it on an XB12 yet? I see you already answered my question.  BTW, that protototype you were running at the 20th sounded pretty good. New question: Will this require repacking over time? edited by easyflier on September 25, 2003 | ||
| Buckinfubba |
FIRST OFF IT SOUNDS BETTER THAN THE ONE THAT WAS ON IT AT THE 20TH, It should hold its packing very well. The stuff we use and my partner has used this in his 96 s1 for 5 years and his is still intact. To be honest I don't know but his words were no it will stay in there. | ||
| Darthane |
Bubba - Work up how much it would cost if I sent you my stock can to be modified in this way, eh? I'm never going to use it again, so if I can get a much better pipe out of it for a few hundred I'm game. Being a guinea pig's always fun. Bryan | ||
| Buckinfubba |
I am about ready to discuss this with kevin. Iwil let ya know. Man I ain't kiddin how it feels. | ||
| Glitch |
Great job Brian and Kevin!  couple of questions: is this a modified stock or race muffler? Are you still able to use a jack under the muffler? Thanks, and again, good job. I'll be up your way soon, I'll have to drop by and say hey... | ||
| Dblhaulxb9s |
Bubba, I want one. I won't be able to afford it until this winter some time. Hopefully by December. I will have to send you my stock can, what do you think the turn around will be? I know that depends on how busy you are but a guess would be great. Any way, save one for me. Morgan PS, I live in Colorado and would have to ship it. Just don't want to be without a bike for too long. | ||
| Kaese |
I would be interested also. I would need to know the answer of Stock Modification or different pipe. I've just drilled my airbox last night. and noticed a crispness in the low RPMS and of course the sound. Any word on if it works with a stock ECM? Thanks | ||
| Daves |
Good job Bubba! Keep me posted, I might be able to sell some for you too! Ride to the edge! Dave Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center) | ||
| Bads1 |
Bubba I have a 12 as you know what kind of deal we talk'n??????I may be interested to use my scoot for a test bed. | ||
| Dynarider |
Good for you Brian. You do know you are going to get people asking "whats it sound like?" . Hell the pipe on the new 12's works great but people want to yank it off because its too quiet. And the Buell owners are the first ones to say that Harley riders put form before function?? | ||
| Bads1 |
Dyna,I want function first sound last.If it doesn't do better in all area's it don't go on my ride.And doe's the stock pipe work great??? Yes it doe's but is there room for improvement with a touch of sound????I'd have to say yes somewhere somehow. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
Ok I will try to answer everything I can. 1. the packing will stay in there kevin has a way of putting in that it stays. His has stayed in his pipe for 5 years. 2. It is a modified stock can, and yes you can still jack the bike up. I've have done mine 10 times today to check this. To me thats an added bonus. 3.Turn around time will be immediate, we are working up a few to have so it will be like exchange. You send yours, when we recieve it we will ship your out that day.ofcourse if we get behind it may take a few days. 4.It will work with the stock ecm, but it sucks so poney up for the ecm and filter. 5. Kevin wanted you to know that peace on earth is possible because a southern redneck and a loud mouth yankee can get things done well together. plus we are young at this and we need cashiers check or money order. I have pay pal so we can do credit card that way. price is : kit (ecm, filter, pipe) $725 pipe(if don't have one to exchange) $450 exchange pipe( swap yours for ours) $335 The sound is a good gutteral noise( low tone rumble) it is loud but not excessive. yes louder than stock. No crackle at all. sounds like it should if you ask me. Dana email me You were the one I was thinking of anyway. This will make you a stop light to stop light racing whore. You'll love it but I will make you a deal. or call me Brian Tilley hd/buell buckinfubba@hotmail.com 704-872-3883 | ||
| Freyke |
Some quickies.... How about fit and finish?.... This is the race pipe you're using as the core? ...Will it rust on the welds?...Photo Please?(I know you said photos are on the way)..... How about yellow, red, black, silver powdercoat.... What's the price if I get the pipe and then send back mine?... rebate?... I just hate to be down for the turn-around...... | ||
| Buckinfubba |
Freyke If you want it powder coated you'll have to do that your self. When you see the pics the welds on the ones you'll be getting will be smoother. The pics you'll see are the pipe that has been torn apart and re welded about 10 times now. The paint used is sorta a silicone based coating show it is good for the weather. We are checking into different colors. this is not the race pipe core it is the stock pipe core . but it has been quite modified. Just gutting the stock pipe(which we tried just to see) fell on its face so bad. I will tell you this we've changed the postion of the outlet and the size has a few trickeries in it. Trust me we did not thro this together and if it didn't work I would not even be bothering . I got better things to do then promote things thaty don't work. as far as a rebate...don't know...plus your only a few hours a way how many days could the turn around be. Hell ride down here take yours off and put this one on and go for a ride. | ||
| Glitch |
I never had a stock one... I think Mike has his layin' 'round here somewhere... Hmmm... | ||
| Buckinfubba |
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| Buckinfubba |
there are more coming give me a minute | ||
| Buelluk |
I would be interested in this pipe, after I get the race ECM on my 9S - is the ECM available alone, or do you need to buy the whole factory kit. Last and most crucial question ,given the support that is given by some dealers, is this an excuse for a less than scrupulous dealer to invalidate your warranty | ||
| Buckinfubba |
Buelluk I can get you the ecm it is available alone as is the filter. any pipe suppossedly voids your warranty, even the buell race kit will say that. But truly most times it is not an issue. here are some more pisc  \popjpeg {37102,}   Brian Tilley hd/buell buckinfubba@hotmail.com 704-872-3883 | ||
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| Xbjs |
I like the fact that it looks practically stock. Give me a few weeks and I'll be calling you about a pipe exchange, ECM and filter. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
xbjs we should be ready by then, heck we should be ready by the end of next week. Your gonna love this thing. do you need ecm and filter also, if so give me a little advance notice so I don't come up short. thnaks Brian tilley hd/buell buckinfubba@hotmail.com 704-872-3883 | ||
| Daves |
Brian, Just got your message. I'll call you on Monday. Going home now. Ride to the edge Dave edited by Daves on September 26, 2003 | ||
| Easyflier |
Brian, Ask your partner if it would seriously affect the tuning if the tailpipe were curved down and slash cut. I'm guessing the length is part of the good performance, I'm just thinking of aesthetics. | ||
| Blackhat |
Looks like you've cut off the rear chamber area and turned it into a straight flow from the header through the second or third section of pipe, of the three that are in there. This would also shorten the travel of the exhaust. May be wrong. Clever design Bubba. Stock XB mufflers don't have packing, where are you installing the packing that's been talked about? Will this produce a hole in the mids when using the stock ECM? Also, Ive heard alot about drilled airboxes, can someone school me up on this? All Hail Eric! edited by Blackhat on September 26, 2003 | ||
| Apex1 |
The dyno chart, please. Inquiring minds want to know. | ||
| Spooky |
I saw the dyno chart with my own 4 eyes this afternoon. Brian is waiting on Bear to post them. Eric  | ||
| Buckinfubba |
easyflier I will ask him about that. Blackhat You are missing some things there. I will tell you this . the three tubes are in the recycle bin. I will say nuthing else. Trust me this took three months and about 50 dyno runs to get this right. It was just a slash and cut job. Kevin has a lot of know how in this area. If bear would get his ass here I would post the dynos. But ask spooky what it looked like. I am not lying on anything to sell this thing. If it didn't work I wouldn't bother I am too damn busy as it is. I just rode in the morning on my bike and it feels like a braqnd new bike. Wheelied past some cows and they stood on their hind legs and applauded me. Nice cows around here |
