| Author | Message | ||
     Drawkward |
Check it: http://www.facebook.com/cycleworld | ||
| Clot |
Wow, love it! Makes me proud to wear my 1190RS hoodie  Dear Erik, I can see you are very busy, but is there any chance we could have some lovely high-res wallpapers to drool over? Keep up the great work! Edit: Some bigger pics available here http://www.autoblog.com/photos/erik-buell-racing-1190rs/full/#3899488 (Message edited by clot on February 19, 2011) | ||
| Imonabuss |
Reality check for those who do not know the market for exotic street sportbikes, the 1098R was $40,000 two years ago. First year worldwide sales for that model were 1500 units. | ||
| Curve_carver |
To the good folks at Harley who first brought Erik on board and shared his desire to engage the sport bike market head-on, I agree. They are mostly gone from H-D, have been for some time. To the succeeding dim bulbs at H-D who imposed a heritage cruiser marketing model upon Buell, no friggin' way! They are incompetents of unprecedented magnitude and some acted out of pure spite and miserableness toward Buell. I may pray for 'em, but I will not thank them Ya know, I agree with this. They have kept him from living the dream he has desired for many years. He is an entity of his own now. Time will tell how this whole buell 1125r platform will pan out. I can see where harley was holding him back. Maybe the shutdown of buell was a blessing in disguise  } | ||
| Drawkward |
Imonabus: No one that I've seen is saying the 1190RS is overpriced... Some are just saying that they hope there is more to come under $15k... Reading comprehension is valuable. | ||
| Court |
I think there has been at least some confusion. Some of the folks expressed amazement at the $40,000 price tag . . . BUT . . . I just went back and rereading them I don't think anyone inferred it was "overpriced". I'd be willing to bet that the bike is being sold at at "attractive" price (no way in hell you can build that bike for $40,000 . . you don't have to be a rocket scientist to price out the components alone) to get them on tracks and in racers and dealers hands. The key, at least in my eye, is not so much the nominal price as it is what you GET for the price. If you are a serious racer . . . face it, the 1190RS is a steal. | ||
| Velocity |
Anyone know if some of the new parts will be offered as bolt on for the 1125 bikes out there? The front brake air scoop is cool, I can see that on my 1125r??? Scott | ||
| Ratbuell |
First year worldwide sales for that model were 1500 units. Hm. Good thing Erik says in the interview that the goal is ** 100 ** units. | ||
| Ratsmc |
Absolutely Court. I think the vast majority of people here, myself included would be happy paying $40,000 - if we had it to spend. For someone like myself that doesn't believe in buying new bikes, that is saying a lot. | ||
| Ezblast |
Absolutely right! | ||
| Drawkward |
Velocity: I'd be happy to pay 35 bucks for that front caliper scoop. The system needs all the cooling it can get. | ||
| Velocity |
Drawkward: lets hope its a accessory that he will sell on the web. Court do you know if any parts are in the works for the 1125r?? Scott | ||
| Hughlysses |
That front rotor is VERY interesting as well. They have a very good closeup photo showing the edge of the disk on the Hell for Leather website. (You can see them for $1.99 for one month's access if you don't want to buy a full subscription.) You can see in the other photos that the slots in the rotor have some white substance in them (i.e.- you can't see daylight through the slots). The pic of the edge of the rotor shows that the rotor appears to be sort of a metal "sandwich" with whatever this stuff is in the middle. It appears to be one piece of metal that's had the middle milled out (or otherwise removed). The white center layer does not appear at the brake rotor mounting points. Maybe it's some kind of insulating material? I can imagine that two thin metal layers with an insulating material between are less prone to warpage than a relatively thick layer of metal. I'm sure there's some cool info behind the rotor. | ||
| Duggram |
Velocity and Drwawkward, production of most of the bike is farmed out. I know FlexiGlass makes a lot of the bodywork for Erik Buell Racing as does another company that also makes the CF case covers. Hopefully someone will figure out who makes what and it can probably be bought thru them. | ||
| Court |
Parts are farmed out. The bike is built in house and as you read this the new production line, ready to be staffed with Elves, is well along. Some vendors may sell direct, some are restricted from doing so and some parts may be manufactured in house. I doubt it will be long before you may be able to order parts through your authorized Erik Buell Racing dealer. | ||
| Court |
I wouldn't be surprised to see the 100 "Carbon Edition" bikes gone in a month. Anyone want to take a crack at what some would pay for #0001? (Message edited by Court on February 20, 2011) (Message edited by Court on February 20, 2011) | ||
| Dannybuell |
I like that idea, gone before March 20th. mark your calendar! | ||
| Buell101 |
"If you are a serious racer . . . face it, the 1190RS is a steal." I'm not a real races just do it for fun but this bike is a steal! call Graves and find out how much of a deal this is.. last years USED DSB bike around $40k Or MJ's Bike around $50k base model in 09 http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/233/4693/Motorcycle- Article/AMA-Jordan-Suzuki-GSX-1000R-Review.aspx "Though, in basic from, someone could have Gemini build them a bike for under $50,000. Definitely reasonable for a full-fledged, turn-key Superbike." $50k basic... also he pokes at HD "They’ve had several factory and factory-supported teams over the years including running the factory Harley-Davidson squad for quite some time. Heck, they were able to put a Harley on pole, so it’s no surprise they’ve had great success running the MJM Suzuki team." | ||
| Rogue_biker |
Those of you who haven't read that long article in Cycle World about "The Death of Buell" should look it up. It was written by a Buell/HD insider and it detailed many of Buell's trials and tribulations with HD, as well as many of his design elements and a few bikes that never made it to market because HD simply tied Erik's hands behind his back. It's a real eye opener and makes one very bitter. Basically, most of the things Buell owners suspected are all true. I'm amazed Erik Buell has never once made any of this stuff public and has always had positive things to say about HD. Based on what I read in that article, I simply can't stand HD and the whole company's mentality. I didn't like their bikes before and maybe only had a quick positive glance at the Sportster. Now I just hate the company and the company's mentality and culture. They have their eyes and ears shut out as if nothing out there exists except their world of H-D. They sing praise to America and American workers then they kill off 200 jobs at Buell for reasons other than economics. They used that as an excuse but I don't believe for a moment it was true. HD is the Ant-Sportbike company....period. If anyone even believes that H-D has an open mind or interest in performance, this article will really make you open your eyes to reality. H-D today is like GM pre-bankruptcy. They truly believe people will keep buying their bikes soley on the brand and where they are made without adding any substance behind the products. Well, there are only so many Baby Boomers who will buy into that notion and their time to buy and ride is quickly running out. | ||
| Ezblast |
You wish it cost 35, and nickel candy is still around also, but you ain't getting much for a nickel either, get real with the price speculation - 75 bucks is probably optimistic as well, probably more like 150 or more considering the limited amounts that would be made, materials used, and that they are for a racing bike. EZ | ||
| Steeleagle |
I asked Erik yesterday if many of the 1190RS parts would be compatible with the 1125. "You can MAKE a lot of them work!" My interpretation: Not much will be direct bolt-on. What isn't out-sourced will be few. "I don't want to make parts. I want to build motorcycles." ...But what a motorcycle!! | ||
| Boltrider |
There's a member on here who I think did some work on the B2 before the closure - Steve Mackay I believe is his name. I wonder if he's making parts for this bike too? | ||
| Court |
Steve has, over the years, been deeply involved in Buell development. He may be today but if he is he likely won't be at liberty to discuss it. He's done some amazing stuff. | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
"As you might expect, all this exotic goodness has a lofty price tag. Base models start at $39,995, with a list of options that can boost the price up around $50K. Just 100 1190RSs will be built." http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/buell/2011- erik-buell-racing-1190rs-preview-90439.html written today....idk how viable it is but its something....also appears the 1190rs has gp shift stock. Jake | ||
| Blake |
Buell’s vision of producing an American sportbike enters a new chapter with the 1190RS, a serious evolution of the 1125RR racebike privately campaigned during the 2010 AMA Superbike season with rider Geoff May. | ||
| D_adams |
That was over back before Homecoming last year...
I thought only the 1190RR was done that way, the RS doesn't start out as an 1125. Sure, it's the same cases, etc. but I was under the impression that it will be built as an 1190, not torn down and then rebuilt to get there. Either way, HOT DAMN! I just wish I had the cash to buy 2. (Message edited by d_adams on February 21, 2011) | ||
| Dannybuell |
@D_adams - Pure speculation: I think this is the S&S connection. Those guys have the hardware and engineering....Rotax has no 1190 but they do have an 1125. http://www.rotax.com/en/Engine/2004/Motorcycle/Eng ine.Models.htm | ||
| D_adams |
Sure, but why would you want to go through all that trouble of having the engine built, shipped, then tear it down and rebuild it again? Just have it built to spec, there's nothing that says Rotax can't build the engine the way Erik Buell Racing specifies, is there? | ||
| Fast1075 |
I am sure the 1190 will eventually be factory produced if there is market for it...It would make sense to build a spec 1190 for...say....a street bike...and a much more heavily leaned on race version made from the production version as needed. If they can take existing 1125's and modify them in the shop, it certainly can be done in the factory...looking at the reality of it...it is after all a twin cylinder engine...if the stock cylinders can be bored, it would be easy to spec the big cylinders to begin with...if the head castings are radically different, you put on new heads and sell the stockers to club racers or as replacements on street bikes.. I see little waste in that camp...I hope I get the chance to spend the proverbial "Dale Carnegie 2 minutes" to speak with Erik at Daytona... | ||
| Dannybuell |
A factory is not even going to bother for 100 engines... |
