| Author | Message | ||
     Kicka666 |
OEM fitment, should go well with the levers out of Hong Kong..    not to be taken to seriously all manufacturers source parts from around the world... | ||
| Bwbhighspl |
Did it take 15-20 business days (excluding weekends) to show up? | ||
| Drawkward |
Thanks for this post...I think this place needed it to help with the Headupass syndrome running through here. | ||
| Zac4mac |
It's a Winter thing. Once 75-80% can ride again, it gets... nicer... | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Zac i was thinking that same thing. so glad im in florida!! | ||
| Jules |
It's a Winter thing. Once 75-80% can ride again, it gets... nicer... I never thought of that, but now you've said that it is obvious... | ||
| Bwbhighspl |
Wouldn't winter time be the time you're most busy, because you're spending time modding your bike, resulting in more posts on upgrades and fewest posts on riding? Or maybe I'm just being squirrelly. | ||
| Danxb9r |
Not surprised by that even Harley has parts made in China. Pretty sad... | ||
| Sprintst |
remember the good old days when all the Chinese made were other Chinese? | ||
| Cravacor |
Sprintst, hahaha! | ||
| Froader4life |
look at your wheels. "MADE IN CHINA" | ||
| Drawkward |
Right, wheels made in china. It just cracks me up the anti china sentiment that exists on this page (I hate them too, to be totally honest) when they're all riding around on chinese made parts. They'll castigate someone for buying some chinese levers to save some money but won't look the truth in the mirror. It's just typical. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
draw - great point. I found it very funny how upset people were at people buying the cheap levers when many parts on the bike arent from the US. And people talk crap about harleys having parts from other countries......pot calling the kettle black. I dont care, Im ok with it. If its quality product then where is the issue? I try to buy American as much as I can, but the fact is, its sometimes much cheaper to buy the same thing from over seas | ||
| Rogue_biker |
In defense of the Anti-chinese League, what upset people was the fact that a better US-Made product is available and the HK-made product looked like a blatant copy for half the price. It was the support of the copy and the fact that it costs American jobs. It was the principle behind it, but in many cases the principle has a lot of truth to it. | ||
| Drawkward |
Rogue, the product that was "copied" is made by and owned by Canadians. http://www.pazzoracing.com/faq.html The real issue was a bunch of guys feeling puffed up, important and better than everyone else cause they don't "buy chinese" so they're more American than the rest of us. | ||
| Steeleagle |
Somebody please shoot me. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Well....... yeah. That pretty well says it. No apologies here. R | ||
| Jules |
Well most of you are more American than me (I'm Welsh!)... but I just watched True Grit so I think I understand.. America - Good China - Bad Chinese products fitted to an American bike by the manufacturer = acceptibe Chinese products fitted to an American bike by the owner = anti-American. I am NOT serious BTW, I find the whole situation a bit comical.. | ||
| Rogue_biker |
That's funny because the Chinese worship American Made products. | ||
| Drawkward |
Jules...it IS comical for those exact reasons!!!  | ||
| Cravacor |
It is probably impossible to conduct our daily lives while totally avoiding products made in China. A million examples can be provided to further this point; electronics, toys, clothing (even Carhartt!),building supplies, etc. Certainly, every mass-produced motorcycle contains at least a few Chinese made bits. It was impossible for me to buy this Buell with other than Chinese made wheels, radiators and so-on. What is not impossible is choosing not to buy Chinese products when a comparable alternative is available. I will buy a shirt made in India, or anyplace else for that matter, before I will buy one made in China. China uses what is essentially slave labor and currency manipulation. The government also denies their people basic human rights. As an American who enjoys freedoms so sacred to me I will always resist Chinese made goods. I am just concerned we are past the point of no return in our addiction to Chinese products. It is not possible for us to maintain our standard of living if we have no manufacturing base to make things to sell for hard currency. We are literally in hock to China, the minute they decide they want to stop buying our bonds we are screwed. We will be forced into "austerity measures" and a real decline in our standard of living. I understand the reality of a world economy is that there will always be a demand for cheap mass produced goods. But there will also always be a demand for high quality innovative goods and materials, something we are the best at. Bottom line, I think we could all could use a good riding session on our favorite road! Boo this winter, what did that groundhog say today? | ||
| Drawkward |
I understand your point, but chastising people for saving $100 on a pair of levers from China is pretty childish (not saying YOU did that, but some did). And Phil didn't see his shadow, only the 16th time in something like 125 years or so. Early Spring. Though, old Phil is only about 40% accurate, haha. | ||
| Curve_carver |
http://www.stansberryresearch.com/pro/1011PSIENDVD /PPSIM125/PR Someone watch this from start to finish. I don't care what he's selling but listen to this guys whole outlook on America. Were done!! Im going to buy as many Chinese levers while I can. (Message edited by Curve_carver on February 02, 2011) (Message edited by Curve_carver on February 02, 2011) (Message edited by blake on February 03, 2011) | ||
| Ratbuell |
so glad im in florida!! yeah...just a shame you don't have any curves down there. Or hills. (bridges don't count!)  Disclaimer - my parents live in FL. It's nice to be able to ride the day after Christmas...but the riding itself? Sucks. Sorry. I'll keep my mountains  That said, though...me (and my Chinese radiators) had a good ride on Dec 27!   (Message edited by ratbuell on February 02, 2011) | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
well played Rat and some of our bridges are pretty tall!!  | ||
| Ezblast |
My favorite would be St. Augustine with the lions - lol EZ | ||
| Duphuckincati |
Curvecarver, I'm curious about the link but can't bring it up. What's another address to get it? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Don't get me started on the Bridge of Lions. My folks live in St. Augie. Corps of Engineers condemned the original BoL a few years ago. Built a SECOND bridge, for temporary use. Not a floater, a REAL bridge. The whole time a debate was raging. People who live in St Augustine Shores were pitching a bitch about the plan to add a second bridge like they did on 312 - one in, one out, 2 lanes each. "It'll cause too much traffic, blahblahblah...". They won. Nevermind that the traffic is ALREADY there, and all a second bridge would do is alleviate congestion. New BoL opened about a year ago, I think? And....the second bridge...has been TORN DOWN. Morons. But the Castillo is still nice   | ||
| Nattyx1 |
Drawkward et al: I was one of the chastisers (chastizers?) and I stand by what I said. Yes, plenty of Buell parts were sourced overseas -- probably most of them if you took a count. I wasn't part of those decisions. The wheels came from Enkei's factory in China. They didn't ask me about that either. The engines were made in Austria when they could have been made in the US if Harley wanted to do that... but they chose not to and Erik rushed off to find a company that could/would do his bidding. No one called me and asked if I had any ideas about this. All they asked me (implicitly) was, after the bike was finished, "do you want it or not?" I had a choice to get a bike that was assembled in America, designed by Americans, engineered by Americans (well, most of it) and included some American parts (the frame and other elements)... or to get something else. We all know there weren't other choices for domestic-content sportbikes. And the bike is mine now, so anything that gets bolted to it isn't the result of compromises struck at a budget meeting in Milwaukee. Now, it's my money, it's my choice. I'll draw the line in the sand where I see fit. It's my dollar voting, and I'm convinced that if more of us actively made the choice to support EACH OTHER with these sorts of "keep it here if you can" decisions, the whole country would be in a far better situation economically. I'm not challenging anyone's right to buy whatever they want obviously. I'm just suggesting that it's "better" for all of us on a collective level to support manufacturing in California than China. Long term/big picture, I'm afraid that the short-sighted choice to save money now by buying cheaper Chinese stuff MIGHT result in there being distinct lack of money later (through loss of income due to lack of customers for MY products). So in this sense, paying more for American products could be seen as a selfish as opposed to an altruistic choice. Is that a stretch? Here's the little economic circle for one of my jobs. I'm sure you can come up with one that fits what you do even if it takes an extra step or two. The Chinese don't buy the products made by companies that advertise on my radio show. American listeners are the potential customers, and the companies only advertise because they hope the people listening (Americans) will be spurred to buy their products. They also hope that those listening have jobs that pay them money they can spend on said products. Now I get a little money for doing the radio show from these advertisers (like Craftsman for example), and then I have a choice about where to spend it. Do I send it to China? Or do I buy things with it that COULD complete the circle (even if indirectly). That's why I seek out the work product of my American listeners (or potential listeners). That's the math for me. If American-made stuff is more expensive, then I'll buy less of it, or wait longer to get it, or cancel some other thing I don't need so much to make it work. And it's not just the Chinese, it's any offshore competitor in the global economy. IF they make a better product and the difference is critically important to me, then I might buy foreign, But I won't choose to do that on a $ basis. Good example: If some American brewer figured out how to make a stout I liked better than Guinness, I'd stop sending my $ to Dublin. I've tried MANY microbrew stouts and none of them makes me happy like Brand G. Does that make me a traitor? Does it seem like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth here? Hope not. I guess it's more about using quality as a comparative metric: If the US product is crummier than the foreign one, and if it's more highly priced as well, then I feel justified buying foreign. But if the US product is of equal or better quality, I gotta go with the homeys. This whole thing started because the levers made by ASV are a beautifully machined domestic product. The choice to me is the same as it was with the bike, "Buy em or don't." Not, "find a very similar thing that's probably good enough and justify buying it because it's way cheaper." Guess that's why there's not a Hyosung 650 in the garage. ha ha ha related: Did you see the Eminem's Chrysler 200 commercial about Detroit during the SuperBowl? I liked the message... "we ain't dead yet mo-fo's!" | ||
| Bwbhighspl |
If you want to buy American, whatever that even means anymore, as you say, that's your choice. But you can't make the argument that if you don't then you're putting an American company out of business. In a capitalist society, it doesn't work that way. If Company A isn't competitive with Company B, then Company A will go under. Attempting to artificially inflate A's sales through a set of morals/beliefs/principles won't sustain Company A. In fact, that's a pretty crappy business model. A corporation's decisions are not based on right or wrong; to a point through corporate citizenship policies, but they are still guided by profits. Why? Because the corporation servers its owners -- the shareholders. Let's pose your argument to buy only American, regardless of cost, into a slightly different light. Put it into a corporate structure perspective. You have $10,000 to invest. Company A, who is 100% American, has been losing money quarter to quarter for the last 5 years straight. Their sales have been falling year over year. Company B, who competes with Company A, is a foreign manufacturer. They're doing well, and showing solid growth. Typical return has been 10% for the last 5 years. Where are you going to put your $10,000? My example should point out that buying American won't prevent any local company from going under. If that's the only reason you're doing it, then don't bother. If you believe it's a product that is 400% better than the competitors, that's another story. But if they're comparable, then it's not a good value for my money. Personally, I don't think they are that much better, and I would buy the knock offs. Another example is Wal-Mart. I won't buy any clothing from that place because it's horribly cheap, but I would buy a coffee pot from them because it's hard to screw that up. |
