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Jakiwild
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey,

I have a '00 P3 that when I'm moving it around the garage I get a lot of friction. It almost feels like it's halfway in gear even if when in neutral. There's a soft buzzing/scraping noise that sounds similar to brake pads rubbing (but they're not).

I recently bought the bike, and don't have a history of when the transmission was last service of any kind.

I'm wondering if this is something that could be fixed by a tranny flush? or if I'm looking at something more in depth.
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Swampy
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First thing during the riding season the clutch will drag like you are describing. Ride it first, then it should be OK.

It is a normal condition, just let it warm up in neutral, then shut the bike off, put it in gear, re-start the bike and drive away. After a few starts adn stops you should be good to go!
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Jakiwild
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was doing this at the end of last season, but I hadn't had a chance to look at it.

I did take it for a short ride yesterday though, still does it.

On a flip note, I noticed that if I let out the clutch it dies, so I'm going to check the clutch cable and work from there.
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Crackhead
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am amusing that you are in neutral when you let the clutch out when it dies?
Is the "N" neutral light on?
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Jakiwild
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes to both.
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Flip center diode.
EZ
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Swampy
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If your Blast still moves when the clutch is pulled in when you are stopped you probably need to adjust your clutch.

Easy Peasy......

Make sure that IF you need to adjust your clutch, that you adjust your primary chain first. If you aqdjust your primary too tight no amount of clutch adjustment will keep the clutch from dragging.
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Jakiwild
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It doesn't move when the clutch is pulled in, but it does die when you let the clutch out.

It doesn't start to choke until the clutch is most of the way out again.
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Swampy
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like a kickstand switch has gone bad.

This was just discussed in another thread last week.

You could try jumping the two kickstand switch wires together.
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That or clutch safety - flip center diode in fuse box.
EZ
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Jakiwild
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

EZ, not sure what you mean by flip center diode in the fuse box.

I see the two diodes there, and assume you mean diode 2, but do you mean to flip it the other way?

On that assumption I tried that, and it didn't seem to fit , though I admit I didn't try to force it.


Swampy, I'll see if I can find that thread
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Jakiwild
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just took a closer look at the Diodes on my bike, They have a tongue & groove tab on them to ensure I put them in only one way.

I tried to ignore that little factoid and flipped it anyways.. The bike wouldn't start.

As far as bypassing the kickstand switch, should I jump them before the connector as your traveling towards the kickstand along that wire.
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Jakiwild
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reading further on the Kickstand switch, I noticed that most people have problems where the bike dies completely and the bike is unrideable.

The bike doesn't die if I roll on the throttle while letting out the clutch.

I simply can't leave the bike in neutral without holding in the clutch.
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Clutch adjustment - asap - at the primary - Soft bottom means that, then the 1/4 turn back. If that doesn't work, let us know asap. - it could be a clutch bearing then, or cable.
EZ
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Rusty7983
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i replaced the primary shoe. it needed it. put a new gasket on, adjusted the primary and clutch, now i can't get it to shift. i was trying on the stand, should i pull the primary and look at shifter? what else could i have f**ked up?

(Message edited by rusty7983 on April 19, 2011)
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you spun the wheel?
Have you started the bike?
Is it stuck in neutral or in gear?
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Ezblast
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you adjusted the primary chain by the book - it is too tight go at least 8 more flats out. And the clutch adjustment is to very loosely bottom that screw, then 1/4 turn back out. If that is all done, and your buttoned up, with clutch cable also adjusted at the cable and handle, try rolling the bike back and forth and then try to shift - some times it needs that bit of motion to release and engage.
EZ
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Rusty7983
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have not moved it yet. i had it started and adjusted primary. its in neutral.

i adjusted primary by sound. if primary was too tight, wouldn't it affect idle/ running?(it was ok) i adjusted clutch, and cable, but did it before primary. thanks guys!!
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 01:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you havent turned the wheel, it might not shift.
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 02:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Huh?
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

He doesnt say if he spun the rear wheel yet. Just running the engine, even in neutral, can be enough to spin the tranny gears and allow shifting. But maybe not....
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah - that's why I recommended rocking/rolling the bike a bit - whew - had me going there - lol
EZ
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Rusty7983
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 07:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it rolls. it still does not shift. i tried the partial clutch release while shifting. it still did not shift. what else?
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you tried to turn it on yet, and shift? Is cable hooked up?
EZ
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Rusty7983
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah. i tried to run it. thats when i tried the partial release and shift thing. i tried to readjust clutch / cable. it made no difference.
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Rusty7983
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i pulled the primary cover. i hooked up the shifter and it shifts. it feels real tight. i did it by hand, maybe thats it. it was tough to get it to move. it took a bit but i moved it up and back into neutral. what else should i check?
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does it go into first? Are you sure you soft bottom the clutch adjustment then 1/4 turn? Try bringing the primary adjustment in about 3 flats. Does that help?
EZ
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Rusty7983
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have the primary cover off. when it was all together i double tried the clutch adjustments. it did not work. i tried to go into 1st but it seemed hard and i did not put anymore effort into it.
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Rusty7983
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i checked again. it does go into 1st. but it is tough. maybe its just the way it should be. what else should i check?
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When you roll it in neutral - do you feel any resistance like the clutch is dragging? It would feel like the back brake is partially engaged/resistance.
EZ

(Message edited by ezblast on April 20, 2011)
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