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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WD40? I'm not so sure how well that works as starting fluid.
I'd check the boot for cracks first. Check for spark. How bad does the gas smell? If it smells like turpentine, its bad.

I think you're on the right track, I'm just against parts replacement without diagnosis first.
My bet is the spark plug and clogged slow jet.
...and try starting fluid instead (be warned though it can be very damaging to engines-dont try to run it on starting fluid).
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Imadreadhead
Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks for the reply erik..yea i was thinking a clogged jet...if it turns out to be that then we got a nice blast for very little money!
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Reuel
Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WD40 is almost as good as water for starting.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LOL!
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Swampy
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 12:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WOOOooo
I'm at the Soo and dancing with some chicks from Canada!

Op!, sorry, wrong thread!
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 01:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Replace the boot - lol


Swampy - - got your motor started up and took her round the block about a dozen times to warm her up - 2/3 of a gal plus filter - nothing horrid so far but a partially clogged jet, and a ok home made exhaust - doesn't look too bad - lol - I'm on it though - I'll get er done - lol
EZ

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Imadreadhead
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

O MY GOD!!!!!!!!!

I tried to order the special Stack filter from Outerwears.com and after 30 mins on the phone a guy got on and argued with me for another 10mins saying that the regular filters are just fine why do you want this kind..and that the only reason he made the special ones was a guy(EZ) said his filters didnt do the right job..and my problem was probably jetting..

HE WOULDNT EVEN SALE ME THE SPEACIAL STACK FILTER

nevertheless it would have cost me $10.95+ $10 CUSTOM FEE + $7 IN SHIPPING.

thats almost $30 for a piece of material.

Outerwears is the worst business ever..i cant belive there practices

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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll call them
EZ
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The price is 20 bucks plus shipping, I talked with him, we've already done the dynos, and tests the custom does flow better, the custom fee is for the first filter and the shipping fee is standard - I usually order 3 at a time - works for me - if you don't like the price, try to make your own filter that basically filters better than a Unifilter - I'll buy from you.
EZ

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Imadreadhead
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

im not mad at the price..he was practically yelling at me saying my bike wasnt jetted properly and his regular filters were what i needed and that the only reason he made that special one was because (you) complained his regular filters were to restrictive(His words)

He was just plain rude!
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah he is a bit, but its just that he's trying to justify his products, I think I have this solved for you - you would need the custom - you only pay the custom fee once per order, so order a few - I do, jet 48/175 for the V&H, and shim with 2 #6 washers - preferably the machined brass for width consistency - the regular filter is restrictive but may not be too noticeable on a regular Blast, however, it was to me, air screw 2 3/4 out from bottom. I am sure that will have your bike roaring like a champ.
EZ

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Imadreadhead
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks EZ..appreciate it
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its cool -Shimming note: now the side bracket screw that holds the top of the carb down on one corner may be very difficult to loosen(no need to remove though) try a penetrating oil first, then if that doesn't work, turn it into a flat head screw via Dremel, and that will work - no biggie, don't forget to re-tighten though.
EZ
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

" try to make your own filter that basically filters better than a Unifilter" Oh, here we go again. I was going to leave it alone but...
The problem with the original Outerwears is that you were taking a 3" (we'll call it 3") hole and restricting it down with fine mesh cloth. Basically cutting the sq inch area of the hole down. Now a 4" filter (or bigger) works because although you're restricting the air flow, you've got a whole lot more area to work with. So you can still effectively keep the intake hole at 3".
Now take a not so tightly woven cloth (new Outerwears design) and cover the 3" intake hole. You're still decreasing the area with which you can draw in air (IE: restricting air flow, again).
If I cansee the holes in a piece of cloth I doubt very highly its effectiveness at filtering.
The UNI or any other aftermarket filter that uses oil (like the K & N) in part relies on the oil for filtering. It attracts particles. While the argument can be made on exactly how big the holes in the filter are, thats not the complete picture.

Open stack: Possibly the best flowing intake.
Partially filtered stack: not so much and you'll have to change the jetting.

I've got nothing against the stack, but to say the stack with a cloth screen is as effective as a real filter is IMHO, wrong. You (the user) should know what you're getting.

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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It is the least restrictive cloth they use - they use it in industry - as a final layer for hospital filters - like I said - I talked to the guy - Uni Filters own tec says it only filters down to the size of a speck of baby powder vs 0.0025" - They say the filter isn't noticeable, we've seen otherwise, however, for flow vs filtering job - I'll take it, is it bullet proof - lol - I carry a spare right by the boot and stubby double-sided screwdriver, and all wrapped loosely in the rag - prevents vibration rattle - as good as an open stack - not quite, but I'd say close. freer breathing than any other element I've found so far.
EZ

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Robdog88
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I put the Jardine exhaust on last monday and have been having too much fun on it to post. I installed it with the quiet core insert, K&N filter, 48 slow and 175 main jets and the XL needle, which since i was forced to purchase i figured i might as well use (local dealer wouldn't just sell me individual jets had to buy a kit which included: xl needle, 45&48 primary and 175&180 main jets for $40 ) also adjusted the air/fuel to 2 1/2 turns out. I love the sound of the Jardine over the stock, it also has a lot smoother powerband. In doing this i have noticeda slight loss in top end though, could a jetting change fix this, since i have some extra jets now....
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Primary a tad tight?
EZ
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Patio6
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Boyz ..as for my Buell problem...i fixed it.problem started with bad backfires..i added carburetor cleaner to the gas ...BAD IDEA! gums up the works.so i did some lookin and saw that the coupler manifold was split in half ...ordered new one from "Ironmachine" 13 bucks ,got it in 4 days.Installed ,put in new spark plug sucked all the gas out of bike and replaced...started right up no backfires idles smoothe ...SUCCESS!
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Awf_hand
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I looked through the list of FAQ's and didn't find an answer to this:

What is a list of symptoms that a bike with a bad BOOT might exhibit?

Could this be a roadside repair?

What is the failure mechanism for these things? Heat? Vibration? Fuel dissolves them? Bad design?

If I were to do some traveling (went about 200 miles last Saturday WOT (yes, to the stop) almost half the way -pushing headwind on the "I" got me 40mpg there and 60mpg back- should I be carrying an extra one of these things?

Thanks in advance,

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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/201 64/150578.html?1213364428
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Carry an extra on long trips. They dont go bad very often with a stock airbox, but since you live in the snow belt the cycle of cold/hot weather decreases the life of the boot.
The big problem is that when the engine backfires through the carb it only has one exit and that either forces the carb off the boot or the boot to split. Stock airboxes hold the carb on the bike better.
The basic design has been around forever. A better design would help and has been used on lots of other carbs and bikes. I've had the same basic set up on my Shovelhead with a DelOrto carb. In over 10 years I've never replaced the coupler and its backfired plenty!

I've only had one go bad, but it didnt stop the bike from running. I lent "Das Boot" to a friend to get his Panhead running. Worked great until it backfired! Same old story. The backfire is the das boot's worst enemy! Followed by an unsupported carb, then age.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PS If you have the stock airbox its a PIA to do on the side of the road. If you no longer have the stock airbox its very simple.
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So wise young Skywalker - lol
EZ
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I'd even seen one Star Wars movie a whitty comeback I might have! On both topics the expert you are!
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You do a great job - and your great at asking the right question. Folks learn a lot from the exchanges here - the archives are priceless and entertaining - lol - a lot of wierd ideas tried out just because -
EZ
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Styxnpicks
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can tell you this, if your using the old outerwears filter on the blast with a velocity stack, its too restrictive. I spent weeks testing my blast and different jettings, from 165 all the way to 190. it didn't matter the engine would choke and hit a wall about 65% through the rpm range, it would act like its hitting the rev limiter but at a way lower rev, the new filter is less restrictive and you can go through the whole range, but my butt dyno says theres still some loss of power vs an open stack
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Open stack of course is best, would recommend for racers, but on the street you need some filtration, bikers used to use nylon stocking for stack filters, and silk stockings before that - lol
EZ
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Awf_hand
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Erik O. for the great link and ideas! Since I plan on keeping the stock airbox, I may be doing a partial favor to myself. Time will tell.

Thanks again,

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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can always modify the stock airbox - easy to do!
EZ
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