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Newfie_buell
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am with Bryan on that one and Blake responded as I would have.

I have 44000km on my S1 and its been half ways across North America and back in two weeks, Alex Prior's M2 HAS been across North America and a good ways back again.

I have had troubles with belts but one was due to sheer abuse and the second due to a rock - guess what I solved the problem with a big arse chain. The only other breakdown that I have experienced was three weeks ago when my stator gave out - guess what it cost me less than $100.00 and about 4 hrs of intimacy with the side of my engine to have that problem repaired. OH along with that I made it shift a hell of a lot better bu going to an upgraded detent plate and if postal service ever comes through I will have the upgraded shifter from Daves very soon too.

As for dealers I don't have one within 1000miles and a 6hr boat ride but hell I am surviving, the service tech I have spoken to over the past few years up here in Canada and they love the Buells.

If you looking for a jap sport bike with much more HP and top speed then you are in the wrong place and own the wrong kind of bike.
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Henrik
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tucson; funny ; )

Henrik
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

FI problems? There are none.

Seems like the XB's managed to get the ills that are associated with the tube framers FI squared away. I know my X1 would cough & or backfire every once in awhile. cruising down the interstate at a nice 70-75 mph range & all of a sudden it would just give a big ole hiccup.

Still be nice to have a push button tps reset however.
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i would rate them a 3.
Yet you've bought three Buells?
Why would you spend so much of your hard earned money on bikes you rate so low?
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

To each their own. It's like a woman you're no longer in love with. At one time she was everything you ever wanted and later she becomes nothin' but trouble. She may have not changed at all but the perception is different. So is life with Buell (or anything else, really). I'm still very much in love.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Greg,
<sigh> You just cannot let a chance go by to put-down Buell. You are correct, the early DDFI Buells suffered through some rough running/surging problems. However, this topic is about the innovative features of the newer XB machines which have all exhibited flawless EFI performance.

A lot of us including me are really weary of your incessant Buell put-downs and negativity. Your contributions in any discussion about Buell motorcycles are first and foremost as a niggling naysayer, Buell put-down artist. I'm asking you politely to cease the put-downs and negativity directed towards Buell motorcycles or to cease participation in this forum. Your choice.

The truth is that new XB DDFI is proving itself hands down one of if not THE best motorcycle EFI system in existence ever. Triumph, BMW, and others have suffered more prolonged and worse problems with their EFI systems than did Buell with their early DDFI models.


TPS... Can you imagine that if Buell were to introduce a "push button" TPS reset, we would see a bunch of problems due to ignorant owners using the feature when not required and doing so incorrectly, not following the proper procedure of having the throttle 100% fully closed? I can. Am I wrong?

My God how difficult is it to ride to the dealership, pop in your new ECM and have them do the TPS reset? I'd rather do that for under $50 once or twice in the lifetime of the bike than have to bring the thing in every year or every-other year to have its valve lash adjusted at a cost of hundred of dollars each time.
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Vegasbueller
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

}Blake:I'd rather do that for under $50 once or twice in the lifetime of the bike"

Is that truly about the only time to screw with the TPS? Being that I am unsure on past history of my bike I was wondering whether or not to have it done, although The bike runs flawlessly with 16,000 on it.

Thanks
Nick
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake...perhaps you ahve a reading comprehension issue today? Did you actually take the time to read my post?? Here I will put it up for you again Seems like the XB's managed to get the ills that are associated with the tube framers FI squared away.

Where am I putting down Buells???? I merely stated it was far better than the X1's & everyone knows that. Please tell me how that is a rip on Buell?????

Christ I pay Buell a complimebt saying they got things right & yet still you complain.

(Message edited by dynarider on September 15, 2004)
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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey, Dyna; you left out the semicolon after the word Christ.
today is Pick On Dyna Day!
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Crip2nite
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Correct me if I'm wrong....isn't it true that the TPS resets itself if you cruise at 3,500(LOL) rpm's for about 5 minutes?? I could've sworn I heard that somewhere.....unless it was one of my wacky dreams!



(Message edited by crip2nite on September 15, 2004)
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Darthane
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No, the AFV will 'relearn' itself by doing that. The TPS zero throttle position is mapped into the ECM and can only be reset by using a digitech or something similar to make the ECM accept a new value as the zero throttle position.
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Crip2nite
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh...ok....I knew it couldn't be that simple...DAMN!
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Daves
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

35,000 rpm, wow what motor did you get in your Buell!

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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

PLEASE don't attempt to cruise at 35,000 RPM's for five minutes... : )

The tool used for the TPS reset is the "Digital Technician". There is an older tool called a "Scanalyzer" but that will ONLY work on the XB9. NOT the XB12. The DT WILL work on a 9.
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Crip2nite
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OOOOOOps!!!! My bad(3.5)
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Crusty, I spelled compliment wrong too: D
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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Smoly hoke; you're right! How'd I miss that?
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Dbird29
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Crusty is R1DynaSquid's stalker!
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nick (Vegas)
If you don't change your ECM or disassemble your throttle body or muck with the throttle position sensor itself, there is no need other than to adjust for slight wear-in to perform a TPS reset. The wear-in factor is the reason Buell recommends a TPS reset for the 1,000 mile maintenance/service interval. If your bike is running well, there is absolutely no need to be concerned about a TPS reset. Cool eh? : )
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Greg,
Christ Jesus himself could return to Earth in front of your very eyes and in telling us all about the miraculous event I imagine you would say something like...

"Seems like Jesus Christ has managed to come back to Earth after all these years. My X1 died; unfortunately it won't be resurrecting itself anytime soon.

Would be nice if he'd have let me know ahead of time that he was coming."


The word "insidious" does not do justice to the type of negativity that pervades your posts.

(Message edited by blake on September 16, 2004)
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Crip2nite
Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 05:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

JUMPIN' JAHOOZAFRATZ!!! Gregg, you really must love your X1 to be thinking about it during the second coming!! Hmmmmmm....I wonder if He'd let you work on it in Heaven?????? You are going there....right???
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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 05:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Crusty is R1DynaSquid's stalker!

Now, THAT'S a scary thought! For me!
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Vegasbueller
Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake: Yup...cool! I like the idea of ride, gas, oil change, ride, gas.... ride more!

Thanks!!

Nick
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Phillyblast
Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>Gregg, you really must love your X1 to be thinking about it during the second coming!!
I usually try to think about baseball, but hey, whatever works. ; )
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Philly,
You actually made coffee squirt out my nose. Good one.
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Phillyblast
Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake,
Glad I could make you laugh. Moto-sickles is supposed to be fun, right?
Now on to the serious part of the post:
All of the stuff I see that's "different" on Buells is designed to work well in solving specific problems or take advantage of the design of the 45 degree pushrod v-twin. Tight vee means it's short front-to-back and narrow. But it also means it doesn't rev like a 60 degree or an L twin. Trade off. Dry sump, sep. oil bag. You want a monoshock? Stick the shock underneath, also gets more weight down low, to compensate for the relatively tall long stroke motor (back to that tight vee again).
Oil in the swingarm solves the oil bag issue, so conventional monoshock can be used, and allows the wheelbase to go even shorter., taking advantage of the tight vee.
It's not voodoo, and other companies don't use a lot of the advances in Buell bikes because they have different problems to solve, and different design goals.
I guess that's my answer as to why other manufacturers don't implement a lot of the stuff in Buell bikes. They don't have the same problems to solve.
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