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No_rice
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

who has experiance with what?

i am looking around at probably a 220 electric heater for the garage.

i used to have these
http://cgi.ebay.com/DAYTON-ELECTRIC-UTILITY-SPACE- HEATER-FOR-GARAGE-SHOP_W0QQitemZ260188263516QQihZ0 16QQcategoryZ20613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem
in a couple of the buildings where i worked and they were great. that is what i wanted, but they say they are 240 volt, 208 volt and need to be hardwired with a 30 amp fuse. i dont want anything hardwired since i live in an apartment and doubt i will live there forever. i am by no means an electrician so that doesnt help me much. well i have a 220 plug in the garage that i would have loved to run this thing off of but like i said im not an electrician and i dont think it will work.

does anyone know of anything similar that would work great?
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It should work fine off that 220 plug in your garage. You can buy or make a 220v extension cord that can be hard wired into the unit and just plug in the other end into the wall socket.

Look in your electrical breaker panel for the breaker that would control it. Not many 220v outlets would be less than 30a.

Get a friend with a little electrical knowledge to help you though. 220v can be a bad thing to practice on.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've spec'ed similar heaters for an industrial type building or two where natural gas wasn't available. Just be aware electric resistance heat ain't cheap to operate.
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99cyclone
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Tim,
I've got that exact heater in my 24'x24' insulated garage, and it works great.

If your garage is insulated and fairly well sealed it should do fine...the weather in Nevada isn't much different than here in Ames ;)

The cost to operate is higher than natural gas, but not horrible...especially if you're only using it when you're out working in the garage as opposed to heating 24/7.

I did the math on having a gas line plumbed, and the lower cost of natural gas would still take about 10 years to pay for the cost of installing the gas line as opposed to running electric. That was enough to push me to electric heat.

Mine isn't hard wired either. I just went to Lowes here in Ames and picked up a 6' long cord with a plug on the end.
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Coolice
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do you really need that much capacity? And if you don't have an insulated space....It's going to need a large amount (BTU's) to maintain higher temperatures. If your only going to be out there once in a while, just use small 120v heater(s). Also quartz lighting is a great heat generator (3.4 BTU per watt, 1 kw=1000 watts) so 500 watt lights heat things well for just wrenchin in mild temps and light up your project too. Just turn them on a few hours before you start.
Here in the midwest, insulated walls, ceiling are a must if you want reasonable costs to heat no matter if you use gas, elec, oil, wood, etc.
Insulation IS priority to keeping comfortable, then adding or removing heat is next. Just look at the International Space Station, there is no power lines or gas lines running to them!
And like everyone else has said, ask a friend that is familiar with electrical if you do add a large resistance type heater, (it can be cheaper in some respects)

(Message edited by coolice on November 29, 2007)

(Message edited by coolice on November 30, 2007)
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Ironken
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/serv let/product_6970_200344315_200344315

check this out. I love mine. Cheaper than electric.
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Iamike
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I use a 5kw unit in my 3-stall garage and just turn it on about 1 hr ahead of time. It doesn't really get warm but takes the chill off enough to make it comfortable.

The hardest part is using the cold tools with your bare hands. Mechanic's gloves are a great invention.
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Rotzaruck
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No_rice
If you work mainly in one area, you might also consider an infrared heater that will heat you instead of the garage.
Those Reddy heaters are super, but if you use them in a closed up space, you might wake up dead!!!
Rotzaruck!!
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Xb9ser
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i bought a ready heater last year at Lowes
In Jan 1/2 off 125000 btu for $180 bad thing it burns fuell at a gal an hr. It will burn jet fuell' kerozine' or fuell oil
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Marksm
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I put one of those in my barely insulated 36x24 garage last year. It would never warm up past the mid 40's and after I got the first months electric bill, I turned it off.
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No_rice
Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

my garage is about a 1 1/2 stall. solid cement walls. the front wall is under dirt and so is part of one side wall. the other side wall is connected to the next garage. i live in an apartment building and the apartment is on top of the garage. we have the old steam baseboard heat and one run of piping goes across the ceiling of the garage so there is SOME heat in it, but not much.

i have one of the big rectangle radiant heaters that mounts on top of a portable lp tank but i really dont care for it because it cant cover much area. it damn near has to be on top of you to keep the area you are working on as warm as i would like it. and the nipco's can heat up a decent size area as long as you dont die from lack of oxygen!
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Pushrodpete
Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Slightly off topic -

Anybody know a good 12V cab heater?

My 26-yr-old POS daily driver has no heater. Luckily I live in Tucson, so it's not a HUGE deal, but the ability to defrost the windows would improve driving safety somewhat....
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Ceejay
Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

NR-I use an oil filled 120v electric in my garage. costs 70-80 bucks and very little to run. keeps my garage above 50 which I'm fine with when I need it. Not quick but it seems to work pretty well even down to when it's zero outside...
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Bill0351
Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I know this won't help No Rice, but my buddy's system works great in his two stall insulated attached garage. He ran a duct extension from his house furnace. It has an opening and closing vent cover on it, and he also made an insulated plate that screws over the opening when it isn't being used. It isn't as warm as the house, but it's still really comfortable. The other good part is the AC works the same way in the summer.

Bill
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