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Phelan
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just curious. I was thinking about taking some measurements and, if it'll fit, weld up a new battery tray to fit an Optima deep cycle battery in when I get mine down to the frame, or with a separate frame if I go that route.
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Texastechx1
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

how big are the optimas?
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Phelan
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I haven't taken any exact measurements, I eyeballed them at autozone, and they look about 2" deeper, 1" inch wider, and maybe 1/2" taller than stock. I may have to get VERY creative to try and fit it in there, but the good thing is that since the bike is going to be completely rewired for the Delphi setup anyway, I don't have to worry about mounting all the fuses and stuff in the stock location. I may be able to cut out the wall behind the tray on the S2 frame and slide the battery sideways between the roght side of the frame and the oil tank, but I haven't looked at it too much. The main thing I'd like to do is find a version of the battery that doesn't have the top posts.
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Guell
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would also take a look at odyssey batteries
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Phelan
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Iforgot about them. I'll look into that as well...
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Buellistic
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1st of all the OEM size battery is AOK !!!

The straw that breaks the camels back is no mater how big a battery you install(dementions wise) if you do not take care of the battery it will be no more reliable or better ...

When you are not riding, your battery should be kept on a trickle charger(BATTERY TENDER PLUS or better) which makes your battery last longer "AND" do not keep the battery in service until you get that last electron out of it and destroy the charging system ...

Why would you want to put a bigger battery in if the charging system will not support it ???
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Phelan
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have/use a battery tender, but that's not the point. I suppose most people haven't upgraded their charging systems, so for them there really wouldn't be a use of a bigger battery. This idea/plan is for a custom build on which the charging system will be upgrade to a 38amp system or better, depending on what I can find, so it could utilize a bigger system. The plan is that I wanna do a lot more year-round touring than I already do, and I want a cool bike to boot. I don't want to have to lug around on a 1000 lb Ultra like my dad does, and I love the S2s. I want to make a system that will run aux. lights, radio, my iPhone's GPS, digital gauges, and a full heated suit all at the same time travelling down the highway.
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Buellistic
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check out the XB12X/XT ULYSSES charging system as an up-grade which should "RETRO-FIT" ...
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Phelan
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's what I was thinking. Didn't the Ulysses have a 45amp system for a year or two? I've heard that the later models went to a 38. I wonder why the change?
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Buellistic
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rember this:

There is a lot of parts(ie: charging system) that will "RETRO-FIT" to other platforms ...

This means that a BIG TWIN "ALT." just might fit ???

Only a REAL PARTS MAN can tell you !!!
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Ducxl
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been watching for these batteries.

Can you believe these pictured are a direct replacement and the "Super" battery?
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Phelan
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Greg, I just looked those batteries up on Speedzilla and they are amazing! I think I will go that route instead of modding my frame. Plus those'll save close to 20 lbs I bet.
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Scott_in_nh
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wish you had shared that before I bought a new HD battery last spring Greg!
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

those little things are a motorcycle battery? Were do I get more info on these? I googled speedcell technologies and all i got was crap about cell phones.
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Phelan
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Google speedcell batteries, some posts on Speedzilla should come up on the first page. The owner of Speedcell is a member and sponsor of speedzilla, and his business website is still under construction.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

wow those are really cool this maybe something to try in the future.
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Preybird1
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We are running a huge battery on the ghost rider bike. But the trunk has been removed and modified to hold the battery under the seat.
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Buellfighter
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FINALLY, a possible alternative to the current (pun intended) lump of hugeness. I'll be watching this tread and if anyone here tries this new tech please let us know your thoughts.
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Ducxl
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can MAKE YOUR OWN motorcycle battery!

The ones in the pictures above are made from "ABC cells".

They're buying Dewalt battery packs and "Deconstructing" them to get the ABC cells cheaply to assemble the proper number and get 12 volts.high amps too,for that 13:1CR.

Here's a link to the>click>> Danbury Riders forum<<where we discussed this last month
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(Message edited by ducxl on December 15, 2008)
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Eboos
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LOL! Greg, if you search "speedzilla speedcell battery" on Yahoo, the first link that comes up has the preview of you saying

quote:

"WOWEY-WOWEY!!!! Cool thread topic!"


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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ordered the speedcell battery, I haven't gotten it yet but I will be posting about it.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's really cool!
Got any specs on the tiny thing?
What chemistry is it?
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lithium-ion polymer

I am not sure if mine is a custom unit, I was email the guy back and forth about my bike and electrical addons, I want to make sure I don't starve my bike with power at idle.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is the charging system compatible with that chemistry?
Li-ION battery chargers are complicated things compared to chargers for lead acid.
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Phelan
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From my understanding, it is not Li-Ion, but something different that us much more stable.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My bad, I miss read his email:


quote:

Thank you for all the details on the accessories your running. Frank the best way to calculate total draw & load is to consider that all accessories are being powered at the same time. This allows to me to calculate plenty of reserve. Considering these parameters my math shows that your total draw is 30 amps, with your stator's normal output @ 3K rpm being 40.08 Amps. Your current battery is a 14S producing 230 CCA.... all the XB's I have encountered need between 170-190 Amps for starting.... . This is a significant discharge. A negative feature of Lead Acid batteries is that a high discharge will reduce their total capacity by more than 50%. So w/ all of your power needs & the high amp draw at start up, your stator is playing catch up to recharge the battery all the while running your accessories. All of this combined will result in low voltage which is a batteries worst enemy. Make sense? One of the features of my battery packs is the utilization of LiFEPO4 ( Lithium Ferrous ) cells. Besides having a very high power to weight ratio (1.8 Amps / gram) their most significant feature is a very HIGH discharge rate w/ little to no degradation in capacity. So Frank now you know a little more about what is going on inside your motorcycle & a little bit more about my battery packs. Due to your high power needs I am going to recommend my 6.9Ah battery which delivers a total of 360 amps for 10 seconds & 210 amps continuous @ 11.8V This will more than cover any of your power needs & will reduce your weigh by 7lbs. Pricing for this battery is: $350.00


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Mmmi_grad
Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I AM WAITING for someone to do a write up on how to migrate this into our bikes. i think I know how its done but would rather hear back from Trac95ker on how his friend advises it to be done and hopefully hear about his success on getting one installed this winter. TIA Batteries are important I hope more people get interested in this subject and we can get this done!
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Beachbuell
Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

These factory AGM sealed batteries are the best on the market.
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Oldog
Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder how well these will handle the heat? by the header,
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Phelan
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The speedcell batteries are only good for 120*, but he said he's working on a model to handle 140*. Regardless, as small as they are, it would be just as easy to mount it under the tail or in the cubby under the seat and not care about the temperature.
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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine has been delayed 3 days in a row now due to weather! I am going nuts waiting! : D
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