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Curtyd
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have been cited between 3 1/2 to 4 hours to install the race kit on a 9S and 1 1/2 hours alone for the ECM install, presumably to include the TPS reset. Am I missing something here? The muffler doesn't require a header removal, just the chin fairing and the cinch strap and hanger mounts and the ECM is a "plug and play", right? Why is the ECM swap alone an hour and a a half with the TPS reset? They are falling back on the excuse of the Shop book rate, but I am always looking to save money on repairs.

Maybe I put on the muffler and plug the ECM in the shop parking lot and just say, "Do the TPS reset." Any reason I won't be able to drive to the dealer with the race muffler and stock ECM before I swap it out?
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Torch
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i asked my dealer the same question yesterday when i picked my bike up after its 1000 mile service.he said no problem since i live like 5 miles away.charge 40 bucks to reset tps.
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Cmm213
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thats terrible no way it should take that long. I'd say 2 at the most!
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Curtyd
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...and removing the idler pulley. A sprocket cover and one idler pulley nut. ECM looks darn easy. Question again, will it run on the stock ECM and race muffler enough to get it to the shop about 10 miles away or so? ECM in the parking lot and then the TPS reset. Those TECHS are going to hate me!!!!
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Windaddiction
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes it'll run fine on the race ECM to drive to the shop.... I was charged an hour for a TPS reset you can install the mufler with out removing the idler pully as well! Good luck
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Metalstorm
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How about this idea...
Couldn't you make an appointment for a tps reset only and ride the bike completely stock to the dealer. Then, in the parking lot remove the stock ecm & install the race ecm and have the shop reset the tps. Then before leaving, swap the stock ecm back in & ride home. Now at home you can install the whole kit at the same time & have it good to go.

If this isn't a good idea some one please say so cause it's what I'm planning to do cause I don't want to ride my bike with race pipe & stock ecm all the 30+ miles to the shop.

(Message edited by metalstorm on March 25, 2006)
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No_rice
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

if you put the race ecm in and rode it there and got the tps reset it would be just fine. no harm in it. you wouldnt need to stick the stock one back in to ride it home and then reinstall again.
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Curtyd
Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't know about all the swapping back and forth, but it doesn't sound right to me. If folks say I can drive it OK for a short trip before the TP reset, I guess I'd trust that more than the back and forth stuff.
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Txfatcat
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just put my race pipe on last night. Holy cow....should have done it along time ago. My local dealer wanted $300 to do the install of the can and ecm. I just laughed at him. He then proceeded to tell me that it would void my warranty if they didnt do the work. Again i laughed.

Doesnt American Sport bike or somebody carry a little plug / dongle that will reset the tps or was that in a dream of mine somewhere.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There are a couple of software packages that can reset the tps.
VDST, and direct-link.
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Kowpow225
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't recommend riding with a new ECM before resetting the TPS. You'd be better off to bring a number 10 socket with a ratchet along and a flathead screwdriver to do the swap to race in the parking lot. Then push it inside and have it calibrated.
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Daves
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

we charge 3 hours for a race kit install
195.00

If you swap the ecm before you go to the dealer the bike may not run at all. You might get lucky and be able to ride it but I would just leave the stock one in and swap them in the parking lot of the dealership. This depends on how far the dealership is.
You do not want to run it far that way!!
Then have them do the TPS. Should be 1/2 hour labor for that.
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Txfatcat
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dave thats crazy. I am not a mechanic by all means but it took me maybe 20 minutes to do the pipe and will probably take about the same to do the ecm. I am not sure but can not think of any reason it would take a compitent motorcycle tech any more than 30-45 minutes to reset the tps.

I dont mind giving my money to the dealership but when things like this cost so much to have them do....it realy is very discouraging.
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Buellgirlie
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

takes 10 minutes to reset the TPS, with specialty software that dealerships have that will interface to your bike through a plug behind the front fairing. 1/2 hour of labor is fair. take race ECM to parking lot and swap it there. then have them do TPS reset.

3 hours is a fair amount of labor for them to do the whole thing. i paid it last summer to hal's. knowing a bit more about the bike, i might not do it again. but last summer, it was worth it to me.

D
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Tank_bueller
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here's what I would do:

Change the pipe before you go. Take it real easy on the trip there....no hot roddin'.

Change the ECM in the parking lot. Let them do the TPS reset.

Change the filter when you get back home.

Take it for a ride at @3200 to 3500 rpm for a few minutes to let the ECM adjust to the new airflow.

And ride on!!!

my $.02
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