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Djcrysler
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Which is the preferred synthetic oil? Amsoil or Syn3?
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Darktwin79
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

AMSOIL. GOOD STUFF
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Djcrysler
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 09:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do you use it?
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Buelltroll
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do and even after 2000miles the gearoil is still green n not milky at all like the mobil1 would be after just 1000miles
very good stuff highly reccomend it.
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Canadianbacon
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I use amsoil 20/50 in my '04 12R. It loves the stuff. I also use it in the primary/tranny and it shifts much smoother. I'm sure there are others who have had similar results with other synthetic oils too, but I'm partial to amsoil.
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 07:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Amsoil, or any other synthetic is great for your Buell.
If your Mobil One is getting milky, it is because water is getting into your primary chain case. This can happen through the clutch cable among other causes.
I just changed my M1 at 10,000 miles. It was not at all milky, and it has made shifting much smoother.
You might want to look in the Knowledge Vault on this subject which has been discussed in the greatest possible detail.

(Message edited by gentleman_jon on October 22, 2005)
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Rokoneer
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 09:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Loved the Amsoil product, but had the WORST customer service ever with the Amsoil Corporation. Bad enough to steer me away from using their products again.
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll be putting Amsoil in my new Ss today @ 900 miles (first oil change). 20/50 for Vtwin engines in both the crankcase and tranny. I'm using their oil filter too. Not that it means much, but it says right on the container that its made for Buell and HD.
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Brucelee
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The last time I looked, the SYN 3 had no API or other ratings on it. If that still is true, I would not use it in my XB.

I have used M1 and Red Line. Both seem to be great oils.
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Kevinfromwebb
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is that new HD gear lube that is used in the '06 models synthetic???

Kevin
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Buellman39
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My opinion: AMSOIL is one of the best synthetic oils your money can buy. Mobil 1 is next in line.
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have no data except that I have run and raced the following synthetics: Syn3, Royal Purple, Motorex, Redline. No problems or complaints.

Syn3 was the only one I was comfortable running in both the primary and crankcase though. Just suspicion, not that I had problems with the others. I have used Redline Hi Shock in the primary but change it pretty often. Don't know if it would get cruddy on a street bike after a while (seem to remember some pics about that but am too lazy to do a search)
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Jkhawaii
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 02:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

amsoil is good but so are most all oil brands
I do not like amsoil because of there marketing and sales style
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Darktwin79
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do not like amsoil because of there marketing and sales style

The reason they market the way they do is because they are not mass marketed like the rest.
How many commercials have you seen for Amsoil?
Then loook at how many commercials and advertising are run for Mobil, Castrol, Havoline and so on.
Amsoil only gets there name out by a few hard working citizens and a few sponserships here and there.
J}
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Brucelee
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

None of this matters to the inside of your engine!
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Superbee24
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They are BOTH good oils, SYN3 is factory so that pretty much eliminates and "warranty" concerns. Before I get flamed, yes I know that as long as the oil meets yadda yadda yadda .....can't go wrong with SYN3, just my 2$'s worth....can't get anything for 2 cents nowadays
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2hogs
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I run amsoil in my truck. She's still solid after 85K miles. I have 16qts of Syn 3 left on the shelf.
Once it's gone, I'll add some 20W50 to my amsoil order to put in the cycle engines. Still deciding on what to run in the R. Glide's primary and trans and the XB12X trans/primary.
Cheers
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Lucas70374
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am running syn3, I tried amsoil and find it ran a little hotter then syn3
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Darktwin79
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ALRIGHTY THEN!!!!
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Mountainrider
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What is the part number for the Amsoil oil filter for the XB9SX?
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Fullpower
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"tried amsoil and find it ran a little hotter then syn3" Really? how much hotter did your engine run with oil brand X as compared to oil brand Y? what measuring device was used to make this determination? were the two lubricants in question present in equal quantities, and used under similar ambient conditions? were both lubricants used in identical test engines, and were both lubricants on a similar usage/ drain schedule? is it possible that there were some unaccounted variables present? possibly a new engine which was still in the running-in phase, and the oil change in question occured during or immediately prior to a change in the outside ambient temperature? is it possible that your engine temperature measuring equipment has shifted or lost its zero? is it possible that you have made a subjective analysis of two lubricants performance parameters based on something not objectively quantifiable?
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Take your pick:

ACDelco # PF1233
Amsoil SDF10
Bosch # 3311
Champion # C138
Fram # PH4967
HD # 63806-004
K&N # hp-1003
Mighty # m4477
Napa # 1394
Mobil 1 # M1-103
Motorcraft # FL836
Penzoil # pz39
Purolator # L14476
STP # S4967
Valvoline # vo40
Wal-Mart Super Tech # ST4967
Wix # 51394
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What Fullpower said & I was too lazy to write.
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Mountainrider
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You guys are good.
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Bombardier888
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Perhaps it ran hotter cos with the Amsoil you had more power and just plain flat out enjoyed the bike.
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Xbduck
Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry I'm very late to this discussion but after reading it the other day I went to Amsoil.com for more info. I asked them to send me some stuff and guess what I found inside one of the pretty glossy ads. Three Buell tubers in a row. It was buelltiful. FYI
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Cyko_bob
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I know these oil threads can go on and on, but there is a good OIL article starting on page 32 of the November 2005 issue of American Iron Magazine.

A "MUST READ" for all of us who are oil enthusiasts!
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Mountainrider
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 07:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is the best info I have ever read. Takes a little while but is well worth reading.
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html
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2hogs
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cyko_bob,
Yep that American Iron magazine article (nov 2005) is what has me thinking of changing out the Syn 3 (20W50) in the FLTRI's primary and trans. The author owns (I think he's the owner) a shop that has alot of experience working on Harley engines. Course, it could also be that he echoes some on my own thoughts on the subject
(20W50 in the trans).

Sure 75-90 gear lube and 20W50 oil may be close in viscosity, I'm just wondering about the additive packages and how 20W50 can withstand the shearing effect of gears meshing together. Want the XB12X to last a long time, as I love riding it :-)
Just my thoughts.
Cheers
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Drift
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok,
I'm trying it. I have been nervous about the Syn3 from the start. My sx eats about a quart of it per 1000 miles and I only have 4200 on it. Maybe, the Amsoil will be resistant to that. Hopefully, the tranny will shift smoother too. I am also trying their oil filter.
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