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Charlieboy6649
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My body work had damage (from a theft attempt)when I bought it, shallow scratches. I attempted to remove them with the recommended product (Harley scratch and swirl remover) and the bodywork promptly peeled. I tried sanding with 2000 grit, after clipping the peelings, and it just peeled more. Then I wet sanded with the 2000 grit and it worked! Still not perfect, small lines, but much better... Especially after some Harley Gloss.

After a ride from San Diego to Yuma my wife's seat cowl started to peel due to abrasion from what I believe was the backpack she had on.

A local Bueller was washing his bike and the jet spray peeled a 4 IN square section right off the bike! I'll try to get a picture of it.

I'm not intimately familiar with the surlyn bodywork process but it seems to me the plastic is peeling much too easily. Just how many have had this happen?

I know this is a KV item but as it pertains to all XB's and seems to happen frequently I'm posting here and wondering just how many are running into this.
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Jasonxb12s
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The surylin is molded in color...hence goes all the way thru the material..Was your bike painted?
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420at145mph
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thats what i was wondering
only thing that ever peeled off mine is EVERY sticker that came on it
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Captainplanet
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Unless you show us some pics of this, I can't imagine what you mean. Sure you can scratch the stuff, but it doesn't and I don't think it can peel like paint.
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its delaminating if that is the right word.Charlie boy I've seen that happen on a Blast a couple years ago and the dealer replaced the pieces of body work that were doing this.Sounds kinda weird but its like your skin peeling.
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Charlieboy6649
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 03:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My guess is the first surlyn to go into the mold coats the mold and hardens first. Then the rest hardens after. Or at least by what's happening, that's what it looks like. This first coat is very thin and peels like skin; just as Bads1 said. I'm on a 24 hr shift right now so no pics yet but I'll get some tomorrow.

It's not paint and I know it's molded in color. I wonder if the heat has anything to do with it? Like I've said before; it gets to be 125 deg here in Yuma and maybe it's delaminating the plastic?
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Captainplanet
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 09:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That sounds like some problem in production to me. Anyway, I thought you guys might like some technical reading on the subject. So, here is the link to everything you want to know about surlyn and Buells.

http://www.dupont.com/industrial-polymers/surlyn/reflectionseries/cs_buell.html
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Having done injection molding for a lot of years (not now thank goodness) what you describe isn't a rare happening. What is rare is that it wasn't caught before it made it to a bike. Plastic does strange things. What it sounds like to me is that either the plastic wasn't dry (I mean extra dry) when it was injected into the mold, called splaying, this causes the water vapor to get trapped in the plastic under pressure, with no where to go it "flattens" out causing the plastic to be in "layers". Or, if the mold wasn't heated or cooled (which ever surlyn needs) properly the flow of the plastic is fugged up, which gives you Charlie's guess, first surlyn to go into the mold coats the mold and hardens first.
Either way it is a production/manufacturing issue, and nothing more or less. If this is the case, they should replace your bodywork.
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Thepup
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

mine is peeling too,maybe I need to see about getting it replaced too
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Charlieboy6649
Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry guys, no pics today. I'm going on a 48 hour shift, so I'll post some next week...
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Coldwthrrider
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I can attest to the plastic peeling. I just got a used 9R and the tail section had a little spot on it. I tried to brush it off and it wouldn't go away, so I scraped at it with my fingernail. Next thing I know the top layer of plastic is peeling off!

Here's a picture of it, at an angle to get a reflection so it shows up. It's right in the center of the tail section behind the seat cover.

peel

I think it was already peeling and I made it worse, because I hardly started scraping when I realized what was happening. Of course there's nothing I can do as it is out of warranty. If it spreads and becomes really large I can probably just get a new tail section but I'm not that big on perfection, these bikes are meant to be used right?
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Darthane
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 02:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Find a nice sticker and put it over it. That's what I did. ("At the Gap there be Dragons!"; )
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