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Ferris
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

roadracingworld.com
11/1/2002
Erik Buell Comments on BMW Boxer Cup Replacing Pro Thunder At Daytona


Erik, you are The Man.

FB
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Rick_A
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 12:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Noise is a type of emmision, is it not?

I think our aircooled engines will be alive and well for some time to come.

I really don't care to see a Buell or Harley race replica. I think grassroots racing is more exciting than that "world class" racing I won't ever relate to in anyway. My favorite classes to follow are those with bikes closer to real streetbikes.

Harley developed the VR1000 just for racing...they developed the V-Rod for the street. Aside from basic configuration the two have little in common. H-D is obviously following a tangent, but it's one that Buell has never shown interest in.

I understand your viewpoint but IMO Buell has and will do just fine with their current philosophies.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nev,

Please enlighten me concerning the problems that an air cooled engine cannot overcome towards meeting future stringent EPA emissions requirements.

Never mind. I'll save you the trouble. There are NONE. You've fallen victim to a very popular myth.

Ever hear of a catalytic converter? LOTS of other bikes, especially those for sale in California, have 'em. Why don't Buells? :)

Answer: Buells meet the strict CA emissions requirements just fine without a catalytic converter. Funny how the liquid cooled bikes need them though.

Low revving long stroke engines like H-D/Buell utilize are inherently more efficient and less polluting than high revving short stroke engines.

You may have heard that the looser tolerances between piston and cylinder allow unburned fuel (hydrocarbons) to blow past the rings and thus make their way out of the engine to pollute the air. Wrong. Blowby is routed back into the intake to be cycled through the engine until it does get burned.

Please tell all your friends. :)


JQ,

Any comments on Erik's commentary of Pro-Thunder racing. Interesting to here him echo what I had suspected all along. Buell didn't try to influence the rules at all. Buell was in it to support grass roots racing. Buell was surprised that the AMA allowed the 748's into the class.


Nevco1,
You think Buell developed the XB9R for Pro Thunder racing? I don't think so.

What "farm" exactly do you imagine that Buell wagered on Pro Thunder racing? :?
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A'MEN!!! Way to go Erik Buell!

Thank you for articulating with such frankness and clarity the unfortunate state of what has become AMA Pro-Racing.

Go WERA!!! Go FUSA/CCS!!!


And another A'MEN to Jerry Wood for setting the record straight, once and for all. There can be absolutely no doubt left... AMA Pro Racing is run by a bunch of shiftless idiots.
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Nevco1
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake...

Thanks for your insight concerning the emissions issue. You are correct in that I fell prey to the catalytic converter, lean running, unobtainium metal, liquid cooled myth. As you know, I was relating to CARB 2008 and the EPA's likely acceptance of it for federal use.

Concerning the Firebolt, I did indeed believe that it was developed for the Pro Thunder Series and was quite pleased with the results on the track. Furthermore, due to the commonality of parts, I used the term "derivative" to describe the new Lightning.

It appears I also made an error in my assumption that Buell, like other manufacturers, followed the theory that if you have a class winner, you create sales.

Concerning my "betting the farm" comment, this related to the time and money invested in developing the Firebolt and the disappointing Pro Thunder decision. Am glad to hear that the other organizations will pick up the slack.

Thanks again for the information. Guess now all I will do is sit back see what happens.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 07:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Quote:

Any comments on Erik's commentary of Pro-Thunder racing




I'll let the following speak for themselves:

In 2001, AMA decided to change the Pro Thunder Rules regarding the Ducatis late in the game, when people had already spent money building 800cc Ducati bikes for the Pro Thunder Championship. You can read all the details over here

Here is what Erik Buell said about that at the time in January 2001...


Quote:

I’ve been around for a while, and I used to be a professional racer. I can really relate to where those guys are. One of the tough things you have to do is grow up and be more mature. There’s a lot of professionalism that our sport can pick up on. For example, the racers need to communicate with the organization. I mean, it’s their career, their profession. A lot of teams and riders that are successful build relationships with the organizations. Some riders think that they are going to get a call notifying them of changes, but they’ve got a misconception of the size of the staff available at the AMA. It just doesn’t happen that way. They should be calling in. Again, not in January or February when the rulebook comes out, but the earlier the better because people need to put their program together for the following year. If you’re going to get sponsorship, usually budgets from corporations are fixed by October. You need to get involved. I think that’s the message. I’m sure some people are frustrated while others know what’s going on. The difference is whether you talk to them or not. The worst thing you can do is vilify and get mad at the AMA or PACE or whatever organization it is, because they’re people, too. There are times when organizations get out of control and do stupid things. I know you guys have done exposes on this deal that happened with the AMA a while ago. Sometimes that happens, but that’s not the case here. Merrill’s a pretty good guy.

“You’ve gotta be flexible. You’ve gotta understand the reason why things are happening. You’ve gotta push back. You’ve gotta try to talk to them. But when they make a decision, we have to go ahead with it. We may not be in total agreement, but I can understand that they’ve considered all of their stakeholders and I think they are being fair.




Erik Buell, October 2002:

Quote:

I saw that stuff on the Roadracing World web page and was just stunned about what the AMA’s doing at Daytona.



Hmm, I wonder if the Buell Lurker saw MY LINK to this post here on Oct. 28 and passed up the chain....

Quote:

“I spent such a long time talking to the AMA and Merrill Vanderslice (AMA Pro Racing Director of Competition) and Scott Hollingsworth (AMA Pro Racing CEO), and they made it clear to me that they had made a decision that they said was for the good of the racers, that we were going to simplify racing, eliminate classes and they had a real focus on making things right for the riders, etc.

“I said we were very sad because we felt Pro Thunder was an exciting class, and I explained to them that we were preparing to make stuff available to dealers for the upcoming year. . . because there were a few dealers that were running stuff. We were trying to work to figure out a way to make kit stuff available for people so more dealers would get involved. We talked to a lot of dealers, and they were interested in AMA racing. A lot of Harley dealers have a love of the classic AMA, which unfortunately is not the same.

“But they (AMA Pro Racing) said, ‘No, no, no. Can’t do this.’ So I said, ‘I don’t want to fight city hall, and I don’t want to piss off the AMA. I wish we could do this. It sure seems like a great place; it’s the only place where you have multiple brands running. We’ve had wins by Triumphs, Ducatis, Bimotas. There were Moto Guzzis in the race, BMWs in the race, Laverdas, Ducatis, Triumphs; and the Japanese, Suzukis, Hondas; and of course Buells. So you know, it was a pretty cool class since everything else is (makes sound of inline four-cylinder engine) 600, 750 multis. Especially the 750 Supersport.’

“They (AMA Pro Racing) talked to me, and they said, ‘The 750 Supersport class, we don’t like it because it’s all dominated by Suzukis’ and ‘Boy, if we could eliminate it we would. We want things to change. That’s why we’re going to let 600s in and your bike in and Pro Thunder bikes in.’ I told them, ‘We won’t be able to run in that class. It’s a different level from where we are.’ But that’s what they told us, ‘lean it down’ and ‘we’re very much against this one brand thing.’

“I just was stunned. They lied to me. There’s no doubt.

They didn’t call me upand say, ‘We’d like to put on a special event at Daytona.’ After Buell has funded Pro Thunder for the last three years. Progressive Insurance funded it for the first two years. It’s a five-year-old series. We funded it for the last three years with no pressure on them as to what the rules would be or any damn thing else. They wrote the rules. We said, ‘Holy shit, 748! You’re going to let the racing (Ducati) 748sin? That’s going to be tough on everybody.’ They went, ‘Well, that’s the way it’s going to be.’



.....

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And you keep hearing all these people saying, ‘Goddamn it! They told me something else and then this happens!’ Well, I know it now. I’ve experienced it first-hand.



_______________________________________________________________

On the VR1000 and racing philosopy in general:


Quote:

RW: What will Harley-Davidson tell their stockholders when they ask what they got for the money spent on the VR1000 program?

JB: I think there’s a couple of things that will come out of it. Certainly one of them is the birth of the V-ROD, which is very significant. With Harley-Davidson, heritage of engines and powertrains is very important; I mean to our customers it’s very important. The other thing, is the development of new technology. The exposure to new technology and the refinement of that in water-cooled engines as well as electronic fuel-injection and not to mention all of the other systems of a motorcycle. All that learning and technology transferred to the engineering organization is a value. In addition to that, a number of customers and fans, they get quite a bit of thrills watching the VR1000 at the track. There’s certainly a value in exposure associated with that in a pure PR (public relations) and marketing standpoint.



......

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RW: From what you said, it seems that the VR could have evolved into a winning platform. How did that not happen over seven years?

JB: Part of the assessment at this point in time was to understand what would it take to go win the Championship in this race venue. Part of the solution was a new design, and the cost associated with the new design, not only of a racebike, when you do a new design and homologate it, you have to redesign and produce a racebike, a race engine, a streetbike—a street chassis, and a street engine. And you have to provide and build the whole production facility around your street version. All those key elements and what goes into coming up with a new homologated design for these production-based classes costs a lot of money. It’s not cheap. That was pretty much the turning point. Once the company understood the scope of what it would take to move forward in the program, to go after the Championship, and you compare that against the other alternatives on the table that the company is facing right now, that’s when the decision was made to get out. Again, if you’re not going to stay in it to win a Championship, your other option is to get out.




John Baker on the VR1000, ,Nov 2001 issue of RRW.

Erik Buell, October 2002:

Quote:

We were happy supporting it even though we weren’t winning it. We’re not in racing to win or dominate. We’re in there to compete and have fun.




Ironic, isn't it?
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Playing devils advocate, I can see why the AMA is going this way, it's simple really:

They want the race classes to mirror what bikes are actually selling

Can you buy 250 two stroke street legal bikes? NO, so there is not that much fan appeal for this class.

Can you buy 1350cc pushrod air cooled fully faired street legal American bikes? NO NO and NO, so there is not that much fan appeal for this class.

Can you buy street legal Ducati 748's, BMW Twins, Japanese/Brittish inline 600's and multiple brand Japanese Inline 1000's? YES, so that's what they want to race with.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 07:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

According to the AMA:


Quote:

Fan surveys of last couple of seasons ranked 250cc Grand Prix second-to-last in fan appeal, just ahead of Pro Thunder


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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Buell didn't try to influence the rules at all.




Well as long as the rule changes were meant to keep the factory Buells competitive, he didn't care what the Ducati teams had to go through, did he?

The AMA made a HUGE mistake allowing the 748, it turned it into a Ducati Spec series and that eventually killed the class. If you were not on a Factory Ducati or Buell, you had no hope on your privateer Duc, Buell, SV650 and whatever else decided to show up.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Can you buy street legal Ducati 748's

And, in your opinion, how closely do these mirror what I can walk into Manhattan Ducati and buy? I bought a 748S for a friend last year. Cute bike, but uncomfortable and generally a poor choice of street bike. I told him that in advance, he found it out, and sold the bike, 3 months later.

I'm not sure I'd WANT to buy a "real racebike" for the street any more than I'd want to drive Craig Breedlove's Spirit of America to work.

I dropped my AMA membership years ago. Face it, these guys are politicians, not motorcyclists. Additionalky, they've proven themselves not to be particularly bright or accomplished promoters. We turn out more for a church BBQ than they do for the Daytona 200.

Looks like you and I are of the same mind on this one.

Court
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Snowdave
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am in complete agreement with Erik. Next summer will be my first year racing and I will do so on a Buell in CCS. I have always considered AMA Pro-Racing as premier (in this country anyway) and would have loved to at least get a shot at one AMA race. It sounds like the original pro-thunder concept would have been great for all involved. Moto Guzzi, BMW, Buell, Harley, Monsters, etc. Competitive without dropping a ton of money to keep up with much faster bikes, i.e. Water Cooled Ducatis. If the AMA wants to go this "new" direction, we should start heavily petitioning to bring GP racing over here. I don't care if I can't buy those bikes, if you aren't going to have races that the common AMA member could aspire to, then you should just go 100% the opposite direction and give us racing that is completely extreme, at least it would fill the seats.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

to the "untrained eye" a street legal Ducati 748 is much closer to the race bike than a Firebolt is to the Hal's Pro Thunder Buell.

Chassis wise, the Buell was probably closer to stock than the Ducs, but engine wise, both were very modified.

It's a horrible street bike, I agree and have said so before, but it's an excellent race bike designed to win races and championships.

Mission accomplished!
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Quote:

if you aren't going to have races that the common AMA member could aspire to




I disagree, what is everybody riding these days?? Look at the sales charts.

R1's, GSXR1000's ZX9's, CBRwhatevers, and all the 600's. WAY more of these are sold than Buells, so that's what AMA wants to race with.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If Buell wants to race with the APPLES in AMA racing and be on TV and all that, how about building an APPLE, and not show up with an ORANGE and try to get the AMA to change the rules to keep you competitive?

Apples racing Apples, what a concept!
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Apples racing Apples, what a concept!

I agree. And, in the same vein, PLEASE give me an ORANGE for the mean streets of Gotham, the backroads of the USA and the REAL roads.

I ride a motorcycle.

I do not race.

Trying to play "racer" on the street is what trashed 10 Buells at Deal's Gap and has a couple Bueller's still in the hospital. Submarines do not fly. Learn to match the tool and the use.

Rediculous.

Court
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree completely Court.

But how do you explain why Buell has insisted on trying to race an ORANGE in the AMA???? Rediculous!!!

If I was Buell I would be tring to figure out a way to find enough money to convince Speedvision, Fox, CBS, NBC or even ABC to televise the F.USA series next year.

At least there the rules make sense and the Buells are racing other Buells, and a stock displacement 1000cc Buell is allowed to race against the race rep 600's.
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Rick_A
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I really don't care what everybody is riding...or racing. I like what I ride and I'd like to see people racing 'em!

Close minded and unrealistic, maybe...but that's what I like.

Pro Thunder was the only class I had much interest in AMA. I just wish the other organizations had as much exposure (of the good kind.).
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anybody here capable of printing or plotting some large pictures from the high resolution pictures at www.teamelves.com?

If so, drop me a note.

Court
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Xgecko
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you read the follow up article to Erik's the guy who set out the original rules for the ProThunder wanted it to be aircooled and simple bikes the AMA had other Ideas. It's sad that the AMA is only interested in trying to be the Premier Motorcycle class in the World because they will always fall short. I admit that 600's interest me mostly because the bikes are all the same and it's realy the rider that wins. The rest of the classes in this years AMA don't interest me much and I will be happy to watch the spec classes in Japan that the GP instead
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Pdxs3t
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

What is the wanted size of the pictures you are looking to have printed?

I can do 8x10 on my HP photo printer.

Jim
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Phillyblast
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,
ping me I have access to several high res color printers and an engineering plotter at work. Good to be an admin.
Josh,
Get help. You obviously have come down with a terrible case of Buellbuying-itis. The only known cure is to go cold turkey. Should this condition persist, I will be forced, as a friend, to perform an intervention and confiscate the bikes in question until sanity returns. I'm also extremely jealous, because I haven't put more than 100 miles on the S2 since the Team Elves trip - haven't had the time to get new tires and change the oil, etc.
JQ,
Those earlier quotes do nothing to discredit EB - he was taking his own advice, keeping in contact with the AMA, not waiting for the rule book to come out, and still got screwed. He acted like a professional, and expected a "professional" organization to do the same. They did not. I don't see Buell the Co. ever building a race rep, it's too easy to get bent over by the sanctioning body. It's been happening since the days of the RW. Build a bike for a class, class gets eliminated. So you build street bikes first and foremost, and then find a place to race them. But please don't ask Buell, the Co. or the man, to sacrifice the things that make the bikes great on the street to try and fit some arbitrary and ephemeral racing classification.
EB,
Good on ya!
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Rick_A
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What I don't understand is why the AMA went to a BMW spec series after all the bull they were talking about Pro Thunder. Is it a matter of $$? Politics??
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On a side note about the Erik quotes, I think it was good to hear him talk about Harley and Buell sharing a lot of similar values.

We give the mother company a lot of crap about chrome heel guards and such, and we we don't have a lot of good experiences in Harley shops, but its good to be reminded that both Harley and Buell "get it" and share a lot of common values.

Erik knew that the pro thunder sponsorship made no financial sense, but thought it would be really cool to do anyway, and that it was important to try and keep grassroots racing alive. He indicated that Willie G and Harley would probably sign on by following EXACTLY the same reasoning.

Harley (and no doubt Buell) is a big corporate beuracracy like any other. But with interviews like this, its VERY cool to be reminded that deep inside both companies still beats a heart of true motorcyclists with honesty, vision and passion.
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Buelliedan
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron, Josh and Dan(me) sitting in a small room together....

Josh says, "My name is Josh and I am a Buellaholic." Aaron and Dan say, "Hi Josh!"

Aaron is the president and Buelliedan is the vice. You can be our sergeant at arms. Court is of course the "Court" jester!!

The first step is to admit we are powerless!! ;)
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Court is of course the "Court" jester!!

As a former owner of 4 Buells and possessor of 6 at the same time, I'm qualified. Hehehehe..and to think, that was before you ever HEARD of Buells :)
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Smitty
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know how I can get the euro headlight switch for Buells?
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Jimjib
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Im trying to fix a fuel leak on my 883 and need some quick advice..Im not familar with this carb and have no manual at the moment.

Fuel is gushing out from around the little rubber boot on the accelarator pump...Im assuming there is a seal somewhere that has let go...any help would be appreaciated.
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Jima4media
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

About all we can do about this AMA racing situation is vote with our wallets. I'm cancelling my AMA membership, and subscribing to Road Racing World.

Erik Buell did get screwed again by the AMA racing organization, and there is not a lot that he can do about it politically. It's not like you can vote these guys out of office every four years.

This is American, we are talking about the American Motorcyclist Association, and we are talking about the only American manufacturer of sporting motorcycles.

You'd think some sort of arrangement could be make.

Or is the AMA racing organization just being bought off by Germans, Italians and Japanese?


Jim
X-2.5
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Peter
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Buelliedan
Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,
Actually I have been wanting a Buell ever since 1989 when I saw a blue RS1200 in Honolulu, HI cruising down Hwy 1. I was hooked from that moment on!!
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