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Snail
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mikeborders, try Avon Azzaros. They have the deepest tread pattern that I have found on street tires and actually work pretty good for gravel roads.

I have done a lot of off road riding on my S-3, its a kick in the castors.

Paul
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Eeeeek
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Snail:

Carefull, buddy, that can come right back at you! ;)
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Grizzlyb
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 04:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike Borders,
You would be surprised to know how many Buell owners also have a R11..GS, or traded one against the other. But the Beemer is a different kind of animal.
I advise you to first try the Avons like Snail said.
The Beemer was designed for gravel conditions, but You'll probably end up missing the Buell for the blacktop roads.

Grizzly
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 06:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I love mine OURS. :)
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Smadd
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 07:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike,
I travel 10 miles of dirt and gravel every day to get to the good pavement. I put on a set of the new Dunlop D220s (they replace the 205s, I believe) about a 1,000 miles ago. They supposedly have more "meat" to them than the 205s, have deeper tread, and are better in wet conditions. They show no wear after 1,000 miles, they're still as round as when new, and the curve handling seems to be excellent.

Regarding a non-radial, exactly how much time do you spend in gravel? I was thinking along the same lines as you, until Pammy asked what percentage of my riding is in dirt and gravel. By far, I'm on curvy, paved roads, so it didn't make sense for me to sacrifice road performance for "off-road" performance.

Steve
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Mikeborders
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Folks,

Thanks for the input.

With the correct tires, I would probably spend about 80/20 pavement/gravel. So you are correct, I would probably be better served with a different radial.

I did not realize that the 205's had a replacement in the 220's. Thought it was 205 or 207. I will look at both those and the Avons, as suggested.

I was basically kidding about the R11-GS. I love the beast and it appeals to my sense of adventure. However, I tried one once and, what with being vertically challenged (63" tall), they are just too much of a reach. The standard Cyclone is stretching it a bit whenever I find myself in uneven or sloping parking lots. Of course, it is fine under motion.

Also, I'm glad to know that I don't lose many points for using one off-highway. Honestly, it did great.

I do feel bad about the big hole in the tail section. The cordura and heavy nylon straps on the ruck came "flowed over" the protected area.

I will be due new tires around December. If anyone racks up any milege with the 220's or Avons, please advise.

Thanks again,

Mike
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Djkaplan
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mikeborders,

I understand that the belt drive is very sensitive to gravel and can be damaged very easily if some gets caught in the pulley.

Also, the M2 does not have enough steering lock to steer into really good slides. You could find the rear end coming around very quickly with no way to counteract it - don't ask me how I know this.

Good power for off-road though. No wonder old XLCH's were so popular in the dirt.
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Snail
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ride my S-3 50% gravel and like the hell out of it, never had a rock/belt problem, 'course that might just be luck.

My fav. tire for gravel and rain is the Avon Azzaro.

Paul
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hehehehehe.....DaveG.....remember the winter day during testing that I ventured down the "long and winding gravel" road on S3 #0001?

To this day, that may top the "How stupid can Court be when pressed to the limit?" bounds....
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Admin
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sejose (Scott Jose)!!!

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Eeeeek
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Snail,

Have you checked your profile lately?

Vik
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Snail
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Vik, looks like an inside job. Don't worry, you know my track record for decency and restraint.

Paul
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Ferris
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike, i'm presently running D220's on my '98 VFR. they are SUPPOSED to be an updated version of the venerable D205's, and as such are touted as being a "high-mileage" sport-touring tire.

well, my rear D220 is worn down WELL past the wear indicators at only 3,000 miles :(

the front tire is holding up well, which surprises me a little, as the roads where i live are twisty as can be, and i usually toast the sides of front tires at an alarming rate.

i routinely got six or seven thousand good miles from Michelin Macs on my S2, so 3,000 miles from the new Dunlop on a bike with considerably less torque than the Buell doesn't exactly light my rockets.

one of my fave tires of all time is the Avon Azaro, but geez, i can wear out a set in a weekend........

FB
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Ferris
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

..."How stupid can Court be when pressed to the limit?"...

um, IS there a limit?

FB ;)
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Tat
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Buellers (and riders alike)

It's that time again!!! ASB has decided on a date for their 4th Annual Customer Appreciation Day BBQ/Ride/Show. This year it falls on Sunday, September 22 @ 2:00 p.m. We'd love for you to join us if you'll be in the area. If you are in the local California area, there will be three different rides meeting up at ASB followed by the BBQ. Once again, we'll have our bike show (don't worry, nothing formal) with trophy's to give away for each class. There will be a lot of door prizes (almost everyone walked away with something last year). You can find more information on our website @ www.americansportbike.com or give us a call. Hope to see you in September.
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Ralph
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have 220's on my 88" S1 (I live in Nebraska, so give me a break). So far I've only got about two thousand miles on them. As far as I can tell, they're holding up okay. It's hard to compare, since I put them on about the same time as I put the motor in. From what I've been told, I excellerate in, ah.....an "impatient" manner. I will most likely stay with them since they feel sticker then the 205's.

My front tire is holding up quite well :) hinthintnudgenudgesaynomore

bighairyralph
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Rick_A
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fogcity...that means riding on a permit without another motorcyclist with a valid license. As it was I did have a valid license, just not the paperwork...those jerks don't give any breaks.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FB,

It's the torque at the REAR wheel that matters. And your VFR has that in spades over your S2. :) But really it all comes down to the furry little contact patch.
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave you'll have to hand me your keys at Bonneville and I'll see if I agree :)

Rocket
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Boogie
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1,custom front treatment available commercially?
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Blake
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Boogie wants to ask if anyone knows where he can find this bikini fairing and headlight setup...
Commercially available?
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Boogie
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Im looking for this wind screen and light
> Can anyone help point me in the right direction
1,custom front treatment available commercially?
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Ferris
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oh boy, we get to talk about contact patches again? YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

FB
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Xgecko
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

honestly that looks custom to me. I have a pretty in depth collection of Streetfighter links and I couldn't find another photo of that fairing either on another bike or for sale. getting the projectors to make one shouldn't be that hard neither should getting the rest of the hardware the only hard part is gonna be getting someone to fabricate the fairing.
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Firemanjim
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I put a brand new 220 on the back of my S-2 for the All Cal Ride and it was worn out with about 4400 miles on it--the worst mileage I have EVER gotten on a rear on an S-2.So much for high mileage tire.Thats with no burnouts or such that would accelerate wear.
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Mrx
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know the neckstem dia. of a '99 X1? Im looking for a aftermarket top triple tree that would allow me to use Harley bolt-on risers. Or if no such beast exsists, can someone point in me in the direction of a reputable company that could machine the trees?
I know it's going to be alot of work, but I want to get rid of the rigid bars, and instrument panel. Im not using a flyscreen, and I want a clean look in more of a sitting upright position.
Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks,
X
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Jst
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MRX,
Try Crossroads Performance. They sell a custom machined set.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MRX,

I'd strongly suggest you save that ergonomic redesign exercise for the cruiser bikes. Have you ever tried riding down the road sitting upright on a Buell with no wind screen? It is FAR worse than being bent forwards in a racing crouch. Trust me on this. You WANT to be leaning forwards on a Buell, especially one without any windscreen. If you want a sporty cruiser, buy yourself a VRod or a Sportster with a MUCH lower seat that is conducive to sitting upright at speed. On a Buell with the high seat it is no fun riding sitting upright at anything over 50 MPH. Your butt, back, and arms will all thank you.
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Buellish
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was getting 2700 to 3500 miles on 207 rears.
I have a Macadam 100x w/5000 miles and a couple
more rides left in it,in the rear position now.
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Snail
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Contact patch. Thats right, i said it and I'll say it again. I got into a knock down drag out name calling free for all on the LABUSA board when I reversed my BADWEB stance, and championed Aaron's argument.

I thought I was going to get tarred and feathered.

A couple of competent engineers came to my rescue but they were ridculed to the point they gave up in disgust.

I never mentioned Aaron because I wasn't absolutely sure I had his argument exactly right, and didn't want to discredit him, but what I remember is there's three things that effect contact patch,
1. GVW
2. Tire air pressure.
3. Sidewall stiffness

Contact patch.

Paul
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