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Nose2wind
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is this connector a problem waiting to happen on all the bikes or just 06? I have a 09 XT
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Skifastbadly
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It fried on my 07 but my understanding is that it was redesigned for 08 and on...but then, I'm just a guy on the internet.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's only a problem on 06 and 07 bikes. Different connector on 08-up bikes.
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Teeps
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And, only if the connection becomes loose or corroded.

When that happens the resistance goes up, across the connection(s), which causes heat. Which causes more resistance, more heat, etc... until a total failure results.
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Cyclonedon
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 01:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm still running the stock 2006 77 connector on my bike with no problems yet. I've checked it and it looks ok so I've always said if it's not broken, don't try and fix it!
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Hacksaw
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I went ahead and replaced mine per other Badwebbers recomendations since everyone says it is going fail anyway. I used the connectors available at home depot, easy fix and can still be disconnected.
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Teeps
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hacksaw Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 -

I used the connectors available at home depot, easy fix and can still be disconnected.


Scary... hope it's a weather pack connector system.
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Hacksaw
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Teeps I used the one Ratbuell recommended. Raychem Heat Shrink RF Splice Kit.
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Johnboy777
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

""I'm still running the stock 2006 77 connector on my bike with no problems yet. I've checked it and it looks ok so I've always said if it's not broken, don't try and fix it!""

I can understand that.

But, two words - Preventative Maintenance.

I look at things that have a strong potential to fail and try to intervene beforehand.

Especially things (with a known history of failure) that can cause the
destruction of other critical (and pricey) parts, by their failure. Or just as bad, get you stranded.

My splice cost 5 or 10 bucks and took 30 min. - money and time well spent.

YMMV.
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Djohnk
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think I will solder splice mine this weekend. That will be basically free preventive maintenance (except for the cost of silicon tape and shrink wrap).

In a side note, I just started using silicon tape, and won't go back to electrical tape now. I think its a good addition to any motorcycle emergency kit. See attached link: http://www.amazon.com/RESCUE-Self-Fusing-Silicone- Tape-BLACK/dp/B000ZTK6CI
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Lastcyclone
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a new un-opened "Voltage Regulator Connector SE" kit. Part number Y1312.02A8 it is the updated replacement for the 77 connector if anyone is interested.
I'll post in classifieds but thought it would be appropriate here too.
$20 no charge to ship. PM if you need it.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a new un-opened "Voltage Regulator Connector Assembly Kit". Part number Y1312.02A8 it is the updated replacement for the 77 connector, REV. 2008-08-19. I will send it to you for free if you assure me that it is for you personal consumption on your machine and not going to be resold. It was gifted to me and only right to gift it to someone else. PM works.
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Growl
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ourdee, I'll certainly use it for my Uly if you wish to mail it to me...
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Kip
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

where is the 77 connector located at? pardon me for not knowing. My bike is an 06 and I would like to change mine out so I won't have any sudden downtime like that just happened with my front fork leaking.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 77 connector is behind the belt drive sprocket cover, just in front of the sprocket. Here's a good thread on the connector, how to find it, and how to fix it:

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/442491.html?1244746971

The google document linked in that thread is an excellent "how to" guide.

The updated connectors in the posts above are much better, but they are a bitch to install correctly. You're supposed to use a Bosch tool to make the crimps which has specifically sized collets to crimp the connectors properly. I installed one of the updated connectors a couple of years ago using a standard wire crimp tool; I fought that thing for 2 hours and my crimped connections looked like hell. If you're going to attempt a home install, you're probably better off to solder the new pins onto the wires to ensure a good connection, or just use the water pump connectors from your building supply store that others have used.

Also, make note of how the wires are connected before you start working. One side of the plug has a black wire and a red wire; the other side has two black wires. The correct polarity is not obvious.

(Message edited by Hughlysses on August 11, 2011)
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Kip
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Hugh!
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Greenlanternjeep
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have the connector shown in the google doc and its started to melt as well any better connectors out there
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave in NC sent the PM.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have the connector shown in the google doc and its started to melt as well any better connectors out there

That's the standard connector that came from the factory. There's an updated heavier duty connector available (see 2 posts above), or several people have used waterproof connectors intended for submersible pump wires that they got from their local building supply store.
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Dirt
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Also, make note of how the wires are connected before you start working. One side of the plug has a black wire and a red wire; the other side has two black wires. The correct polarity is not obvious."

And the wiring diagram in the factory service manual (at least the 2007 one) is incorrect. Connecting the red battery wire to what is shown in the manual as the +12VDC regulator lead will result in a blown regulator (i.e. $100 paper weight). One of those hard learned lessons.
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Growl,
PM me an address.
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Growl
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you Ourdee for offering this and sharing. I've been wondering if my 2006 Uly was going to force me to deal with this... now I'll pre-empt it! Email sent.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Teeps I used the one Ratbuell recommended. Raychem Heat Shrink RF Splice Kit.





screw terminal connections. covered in heat shrink. removable, durable...untouched and working perfectly for about 15k miles now.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

screw terminal connections. covered in heat shrink. removable, durable...untouched and working perfectly for about 15k miles now.

...and guaranteed to be WAY easier to install than the factory updated connector.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 12:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yup.

and yes, that's maroon touchup paint on the should-be-black-wire, applied BEFORE removing the original 77 connector.
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Lastcyclone
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Really good suggestions on this topic.
Need some more.
I'm installing a new voltage regulator today. It came with the updated connector kit (Delphi Packard connectors). Since the existing 77 connectors seem to be good, should I go to the trouble of changing them anyway? It will take a while longer, and I do not have access to the correct crimper to put the connectors together. Any substitutes for that crimper that will allow the plugs to fit into the housing easily?
Thanks again.

(Message edited by lastcyclone on August 13, 2011)
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Nillaice
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

don't kepp teh old 'blade' style connector. that is just asking for trouble

i crimped my new style connector with some needle nose pliers.

looking back at it now; i would have used the raychem heat shrink splice kit (or just soldered them together), and sold the 'new' style connector

how often does one really need to unplug the VR?
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Kakimoto
Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ratbuell,

could you please let me know where you purchased the Raychem Heat Sink RF Splice Kit from. A web address would help me order it online, if at all possible.

I am based in Bahrain and would like to replace the 77 connector on my '06 Uly.
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Kakimoto
Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ratbuell,

could you please let me know where you purchased the Raychem Heat Sink RF Splice Kit from. A web address would help me order it online, if at all possible.

I am based in Bahrain and would like to replace the 77 connector on my '06 Uly.
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Pontlee77
Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

my 06 77conector is fine not any problem on the 50.000km's my bike has.
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