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     Pmjolly |
I drink Shiner. It's a Texas beer.  | ||
| Buellrain |
This thread has really turned into a pile of the brown stuff!!! For those of you who continue to keep talking political crap go and join another forum that likes to listen to old men whinge and whine. Oh yeah, Fleshrocket, no one wants to know about your "fair amount of vaginal,butt or whateverelse sex" in your life!!! In the meantime, did anyone else get their HONG KONG levers??? Mine are on the bike, fit,finish,feel,adjustment etc is all good.. | ||
| Blake |
13, You speak truth. Yet the fact remains that America's massive investment in fighting the cold war made it possible. FRocket, You misread. I oppose redefinition of marriage. Homosexuals ought to be free to behave as they like in private with each other. Just don't equate it to marriage. Beer is good. | ||
| Hotrats |
be sure it is Miller beer. It's union made But for how long? Owned by SouthAfricianBrewers, and in a LLC partnership with coors (nonunion), the future looks..... | ||
| Curve_carver |
Well I drank the case of Molson so I bought some sierra nevada beer.  | ||
| Curve_carver |
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| Curve_carver |
John Kacasik stated he wants to privatize our jail system here in Ohio. What's everyones opinion on that? | ||
| Zac4mac |
Well, I woke up an hour ago to 2 fresh inches of white crap. Another day of no riding.   Z | ||
| Evc17 |
Yes I know I am not talking about k/h levers, but me living in centeral alberta canada. I total agree with Zac4mac picture, it's awesome (what a great job) and the way I am feeling right now. Thank you Zac4mac for the pic, I got a good laugh from it  | ||
| Kenm123t |
Tippster the point is not the profession but what we have allowed it to be come. Journalism is not liberal Activism. Ask a journalism student what they want to do and its change the world. Your profession will stop being worse than a nuisance when intellectual honesty is its guiding principle. Since Woodard and Berstein went after Nixon the media is investigating every one they do not like or beleive that do not think. The media tries to become King makers. They and government no longer serve the people they just want to push their agenda. Propaganda and the personal destruction of trial by media is not jounalism. Your industry is failing before you eyes and you can't understand why. When your industry will tell the whole truth all of the time it may regain it's standing as a guardian of the republic. Today its not acting like the 4th estate but more like a 5th column. You response to my post was too predictable sad really. When media can debate in ideas again it can be taken seriously continued personal attacks just weaken its standing and influence. As for my lack detailed information on my profile since when is it any ones business but Blakes. I do not feel the need to facebook my life out to the world. Is your ego fed by telling every one how fast you have been. My acheivements were interally motivated not by being able to tell every one what I have done. Reinforce your arguement personal attacks are self defeating. Debate in the arena of Ideas is nearly dead. Honest thoughtful debate is how the Bill of Rights came to being. The 1st amendment you refer to is being dishonored by the media. Once upon time CBS news was a place of great journalism Then they were caught falsifying GW Bush's military records. Radio host Ed Schultz states if we do not agree with Obama we should be jailed. Air America's Randi Rhodes was detained after threatening GW Bush on air I was in the station they day that happened. Did any one in the media denounce thier actions? May be Mike Rowe will get to do a media day on Dirty Jobs | ||
| Kenm123t |
Oh and the Hong Kong levers look good still have my stock ones and some spares. | ||
| Dannybuell |
There is no fourth estate. those days are long gone. The fourth estate is owned by the second estate. The closest thing to the fourth estate is the fifth and sixth estates. I would argue that the fifth column in America is apathy. | ||
| Tippster |
Ken: Are you implying that Nixon was treated unfairly, that he did nothing wrong and was merely a victim of the Press? Was Bill Clinton as well? Do you think the media's job is NOT to scrutinize those in power? Ben Franklin disagreed: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1294798/b enjamin_franklins_impact_on_american.html There's a reason why Freedom of the Press is specifically cited in the Constitution, and it's exactly for the reasons of investigating those "they" don't like and speaking "their" opinion - the basis of "Freedom of Speech" from which all other freedoms flow. Anybody can be a journalist - so anyone's opinion can be heard... now more than ever thanks to the internet. Of course this can lead to Witch Hunts and mouthpieces for the gullible, but know that the Hannitys, Limbaughs, Olbermen, and Shultzes of the profession are 1) entertainers, not journalists, and 2) only powerful if you believe their poison. Of course Rhodes should have been detained - threatening the life of the POTUS is a crime. Ed Schultz may have proclaimed those against Obama's agenda should be jailed (stupid) but is that any different than Ann Coulter declaring all Liberals are Traitors (you know what we do to traitors, right? Hint: it's a bit harsher than jail.) The 4th Estate only gets perceived as the 5th Column by those directly affected. Ask the Brits of the mid-18th Century what they thought of Mr. Franklins Pennsylvania Gazette. Finally - I have not heard one journalist or J-School professor claiming the Press is a tool to change the world - not one. Please don't be so intellectually lazy as to construct Strawmen. We are taught to inform the reader/listener/viewer as to "Who, What, Where, When, and Why." If you watch CNN's or FNC's News shows (John King and Shepherd Smith, eg.) you'll notice they are remarkably similar since they are simply telling you that X happened in Y. Subsequent editorializing by "pundits" or "talk show hosts" isn't a recent invention, and it's only one facet of Journalism. | ||
| Bueller4ever |
It's hard for me to grasp that so many educated people still believe in these religions. Will we overcome racism before we overcome religion? Doubtful I will ever see either, but I would like to see these levers everyone keeps talking about. | ||
| Buellrain |
Bueller4ever: Well said, your a Wiseman! Unfortunately the same can’t be said for many of the other Neanderthals on here….! | ||
| Nattyx1 |
+++what tippster said. It's a simple equation: you can't have true democracy if the populace is uninformed. Ethical journalists provide facts and intelligent, well-reasoned perspective on those facts. The goal is not to change the world, but rather, to give fellow citizens the information they'll need to decide whether or not it needs changing. Civilized people don't shoot the ••••••' messenger if they don't like the message. And yes, there are bad people who cloak themselves in rhetoric about free speech and the public's right to know but in fact are polemicists or apologists or activists etc. But let's keep the syllogism clean here, shall we? These "5th columnists" are not the profession in the same way that some corrupt cops wouldn't be "proof" that all police forces are evil shams. There's lots of good work being done - maybe you just have to look a little harder for it. They don't make as much noise as far left or far right wackos who are given airtime specifically because of how much noise they can make. Still, the system we have that allows for all that works for me. I'd rather have incendiary morons offending me on the radio and TV than live in a police state where that sort of thing is illegal. And depending on the commentary, I'll reserve the right to debate and/or punch said moron in the face if the opportunity arises.  | ||
| Jules |
Doubtful I will ever see either, but I would like to see these levers everyone keeps talking about. I posted some pics way back at the begining of the thread.. They arrived as promised, looked really, really good. Fit perfectly (about 2 mins to do the brake and 5 to do the clutch)max. They are shorter than stock and more of a dogleg but the look/feel and quality is impressive, especially at the price. Money well spent (IMHO) Pics: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290431/611523.html?1294659035 (Message edited by Jules on February 07, 2011) | ||
| Dannybuell |
NattyX1 - "that allows for all". Exclusionary behavior throws a red flag faster than anything for me. The faithful tea party realized 'their' party had no interest in 'their' values. It took only 30 years for them to figure it out. The trouble with despising secularism is you have just excluded Higher Education. When that happens you are no better than any other group with 'one book' of ideals. | ||
| Blake |
Steve, >>> These "5th columnists" are not the profession in the same way that some corrupt cops wouldn't be "proof" that all police forces are evil shams. What if... 90% were corrupt? I don't think corrupt is a good analogy though. I think blinded by their own work culture and their own ideological bias is the best way to describe the problem with so much of the news media today. Bernie Goldberg lays out the case quite well in his books about the issue. >>> Still, the system we have that allows for all that works for me. I'd rather have incendiary morons offending me on the radio and TV than live in a police state where that sort of thing is illegal. And depending on the commentary, I'll reserve the right to debate and/or punch said moron in the face if the opportunity arises. A'men to that! Just keep that evil "fairness doctrine" the heck away and we'll be okay. | ||
| Blake |
Danny, >>> The trouble with despising secularism... What/who are you talking about? The islamists? The marxists?  | ||
| Dannybuell |
Blake the conservative right, Christian's and Muslims alike share an intolerance for secular values. The church I went to from 1979-81 defined secular humanism as any set of values or beliefs that do not follow the Bible, Gods law. The C&M fundamentalists want their followers to believe in their narrow interpretation of the world from their 'one book' of ideals. Marx and Engels would be the opposite following in the tradition of Hegel where a godless state is paramount. | ||
| Blake |
There are no Christian political organizations that I know that are seeking to defeat our form of government, so your analogy is complete nonsense. Islamism is totalitarianism. All Christians who I know, and they are many, are fully supportive of secular government. The beliefs that a church espouses for its followers in their personal life/faith is not the same as advocating for theocracy, or as with islamist, a mullahcracy. The "secular humanists" are mostly atheists, just another religion. | ||
| Tippster |
All Muslims whom I know, and they are many, are fully supportive of secular Government. Heh - "Mullahcracy." You act like there is a hierachy in Islam like there is in Christianity. The problem, of course, is that there is none. The Mullahs in Iran don't speak, at all, for the average Indonesian (which is the most populous Muslim nation, yet has a secular government.) Ask any Muslim, radical or non-, if they would like a return to the Caliphates of old and they'll say no. Christian Fundamentalism? How about insisting that the US is a "Christian Nation" and demanding idiocy like Intelligent Design be taught in public schools? How about adding "Under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance? | ||
| Dannybuell |
The idea is that Radicalized Christian's and Muslim's are both wrong. Temperance is moderation, neither radicalized group has any part of that virtue. Radicalized Christian's have been ringing the alarm for decades rallying believers to the voting booths to insure their party would save this country from damnation by turning back roe v.s. wade and making same sex marriages illegal. The moral prowess of the country will be restored... If you listen to these folks they are convinced that we as a society are going into the sewer. Some of these folks are Tea Partiers 'rising up to bring accountability back into government and make a better nation'... Where did marxists come from? religion & marxism are opposites, complete nonsense? Intolerance exists with Judeo-Christian and Muslim religions. Try getting past Bali customs where they ask you to declare your religion. Most Jews know the South Pacific is Muslim and check Christian on the form. | ||
| Curve_carver |
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| Blake |
Tippster, >>> All Muslims whom I know, and they are many, are fully supportive of secular Government. They always are until the mullahs take over. Ask the Lebanese, the Afghans, the Iranians, and possibly soon the Egyptians. Maybe you've missed the multiple petitions by islamist muslim groups in Canada, American, Britain, Holland, France and elsewhere for the allowance of sharia law in the courts there. Recognizing reality is key to maintaining freedom. How many do you really know, and how many have you asked if they would support recognition of sharia in our courts? On the latter, I'm guessing zero. I think you are making up information that you don't really know for sure. >>> Heh - "Mullahcracy." You act like there is a hierachy in Islam like there is in Christianity. Uhmmm, no. I recognize the 56 islamist states in the world, many of which are run by religiously supported dictators or mullahs, as in Iran, the most well-known mullahcracy. >>> Ask any Muslim, radical or non-, if they would like a return to the Caliphates of old and they'll say no. Not sure about "of old"; sounds like semantic foolishness to me. Their declared goal is reconquest of all lands that were ever held by islamists and the establishment of a new caliphate. See "Ottoman Empire", and also the islamist invasion of Europe, the precursor to the crusades. Review the Armenian genocide perpetrated by islamists against Christians. >>> Christian Fundamentalism? How about insisting that the US is a "Christian Nation" I think even some atheists recognize that America has been and still is by and large a Christian nation, formed and based upon Judeo-Christian principles. Are they seeking to overthrow our secular government. Try to stay focused on the topic. Speaking out on matters of history and perception of our nation is different from jihad looking to establish islamist nationshood. >>> and demanding idiocy like Intelligent Design be taught in public schools? Purely your opinion. The existance of life and the universe has no credible/plausible explanation other than as being a result of intent. It is currently the only scientifically plausible explanation of origins provided to date. Offering that scientific information is "idiotic"? Hmmm. Not if you care about science. >>> How about adding "Under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance? That would apply to all theistic religions, including Judaism and islam, not just Christianity. Nor is recognition of God limited to fundamentalists, but rather all those who believe in God, about 95% of Americans. You were saying? (Message edited by Blake on February 08, 2011) | ||
| Blake |
Danny, >>> The idea is that Radicalized Christian's and Muslim's are both wrong. Only one is a serious threat to our life and freedom, so trying to morally equate the two is nonsense. It is outrageous and dangerous, seeking to repaint reality, ignore a real threat and denigrate Christianity. You show me any Christian organization that is a serious threat to our constitutional republic or our inalienable right to live, and I'll stand up and denounce and repudiate them. >>> Temperance is moderation, neither radicalized group has any part of that virtue. Neither do radical atheists, or radical marxists. Which are bent towards totalitarianism, intentionally perpetrating mass-murder of civilians, and seeking to establish brutally oppressive misogynistic mullahcratic governments and the exclusion of all other religions? >>> Radicalized Christian's have been ringing the alarm for decades rallying believers to the voting booths to insure their party would save this country from damnation by turning back roe v.s. wade and making same sex marriages illegal. So in your view, a majority of Americans are "radicalized Christians"? Those who oppose the murder of the most innocent and helpless, the unborn babies, are radicals? Interesting view, quite radical actually. >>>making same sex marriages illegal. You mis-state the issue. There is no such thing as "same sex marriage". Marriage is defined as the union of a man and a woman. The issue is not whether homosexuals may join in a committed union. The issue is about forcing society to equate said homosexual unions to marriage, which is ludicrous, false, and insulting to marriage. You may want to call yourself an astronaut or a doctor in order to make yourself feel better, but forcing others to do so won't make it true. But again, the issue is that radical relativists like you distort reality and are dishonest when equating Christians to the islamists. It is wrong to do so. >>> The moral prowess of the country will be restored... If you listen to these folks they are convinced that we as a society are going into the sewer. Some of these folks are Tea Partiers 'rising up to bring accountability back into government and make a better nation'... I agree. Many people do. What's your point? Are you claiming that they are trying to overthrow our constitution and establish a theocratic government in America? Sounds more like you are saying that any principled motivation for political activism that is contrary to your own is "radicalized." How tolerant of you.  >>> Where did marxists come from? religion & marxism are opposites, complete nonsense? You'd think so, but the fervor and faith in marxist doctrine is exactly religious in nature; it is called "statism", the faith in the almighty state and worship of marxist doctrine as the answer to all of mankind's troubles. If that isn't a religion, I don't know what is. I think it is an evil the likes of which is unparalleled in human history. >>> Intolerance exists with Judeo-Christian and Muslim religions. Intolerance exists everywhere that people hold to any principles or standards of behavior. Period. You radical relativists don't seem to get that. The most intolerance ever seen on earth has been in marxism and naziism, two ideologies that hated Christianity. The radical relativists claim to be tolerant. They are in fact wildly intolerant. They seek to stifle the views and principles of those with whom they disagree. They like to equate Christians in America to islamist terrorists. What a chilling and outrageous tactic to try to stifle those with whom one disagrees. >>> Try getting past Bali customs where they ask you to declare your religion. Most Jews know the South Pacific is Muslim and check Christian on the form. Jews don't want to be killed by hateful, intolerant, murderous islamists. Check. (Message edited by blake on February 08, 2011) | ||
| Dannybuell |
>>>Only one is a serious threat to our life and freedom, so trying to morally equate the two is nonsense. It is outrageous and dangerous, seeking to repaint reality, ignore a real threat and denigrate Christianity. Ask the folks in Palestine how they feel about the last 70 years of Judeo-Christian rule... Marxism is misogynistic? Please explain. Why do you call me a radical? I am not preaching anything but tolerance, temperance, and acceptance. Offering a contrasting viewpoint thats all. Karl Marx was a utopian philosopher inspired by Hegel. Religion looks for super natural beings, Marxism does not! Utter nonsense on your part. >>>You radical relativists ... >>>>The most intolerance ever seen on earth has been in marxism and naziism, two ideologies that hated Christianity.... Oh, You do agree that Marxism has nothing to do with religion... What have I done to stifle you? threatened banishment? personal attacks? Nobody wants to be killed by anybody.  When I was coming up I had three terms of westernCiv and three terms of US History. I thought I knew the 'right' story and truth of America's history. Later on in my work life I had the pleasure of befriending with an older Palestinian gentleman who had been displaced by the Israelis in 1949. Menachem Begin was a terrorist bombing western hotels... History is like a coin, there are two sides. Proof that learning never ends, a book that makes Hitler look pale in the shadow of Stalin. http://www.slate.com/id/2284198/ | ||
| Hootowl |
http://wireupdate.com/wires/14943/muslim-mob-attac ks-indonesia-churches/ Indonesia Muslims are moderate? | ||
| Dannybuell |
Hootowl - The sad part is there are radicalized people everywhere.. |
