| Author | Message | ||
     Chauly |
Patrick, hand Apple the phone, and ask them to hand back the information on it that you need. Apple doesn't have to hand the FBI the tool, just break the phone as a civic duty. | ||
| Aesquire |
I'd buy that as a good compromise. Will the FBI? Apple's stated view is they are being asked to create a tool to break their own armor, and don't want that tool to exist at all. The Social Justice Dept.'s view is they want no one but themselves to have armor. ( armor, encryption, weapons, privacy, etc. ) Modern tech has had some interesting side effects. Everything a politician says now hits Youtube, so if they say A one day and B the next, they can get called on it. Some don't seem to care, and just kick into "do you believe me or your lying eyes?" or just blow off proof that they are lying through their teeth and keep lying. Hillary is big on the "that's a lie, and I change the subject" tactic, and because she's the anointed one, the press lets her get away with it. Others use different mixes, and as long as they are supported by the Press, you won't see them corrected on the most bold lies. Social Media also gives investigators, government or private, a treasure chest of idiocy to look at. See the Meme thread for the stoner using Instagram during a high speed chase. That's evidence in the public domain. There is at least one company that is making a quiet fortune storing Facebook. They take a snapshot of Facebook and sell that information to companies wanting to check out job seekers. ( and presumably others ) Did you delete that video of you riding a shopping cart down a water slide while smoking a Bong and screaming obscenities about your boss? They saved it, and "not going be be your next job" company knows. | ||
| Hootowl |
Sheesh. Pull out the memory, dump it somewhere, and break the encryption offline. | ||
| Macbuell |
I'm on Apple's side on this one and they should just continue to refuse. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The other side of this is that previously, the government was going to companies and telling them: 1) You must circumvent encryption for user X. 2) You are not allowed to tell user X, ever. 3) You can't tell anyone that we are telling you to crack encryption on user's phones. It was, in a word, horseshit. If you are going to, for purposes of national security, force companies to do things like this, it must be both rare and as transparent as hell. Don't do it unless it is a real and imminent emergency, and be absolutely and totally transparent about the fact that you are doing it, who you are doing it too, and why you are doing it, in a manner that is as timely as possible. The US government is in the position it is in because of reckless abuse and overreach. Which kind of makes the privacy nuts case for them. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The only solution is to make uncrackable implementations (which is what Apple has done). All that abstract philosophy being said, this case is kind of whacked though for two reasons: 1) The phone wasn't owned by the suspect, it was owned by the subjects employer, which happens to be the government, and who ***HAS*** given permission for the phone to be searched. 2) The government isn't asking for any kind of back door key to bypass encryption, they are asking Apple to disable a remote lockout feature so that they can try and make many guesses and try and brute force the passcode without the phone erasing itself. So, its a good topic, but this case is a corner case, and making a law around corner cases just makes bad law. | ||
| Hootowl |
Article I read said they wanted a new IOS loaded that doesn't have the option to wipe the phone. Don't you have to unlock the phone to do the update? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Good question. Can you replace the bootloader without the phone being unlocked? Seems like an epic security flaw if you can (easily). With physical access to the device, you should be able to do what you want to prevent the self destruct, then do the brute force attack on the passcode until you are in. The cryptography they are using (AES256?) won't likely fall over against a brute force, but I suspect the passcode that cowardly murderer used could be guessed in a reasonable time frame with sufficient resources applied. I hope they imaged the glass smudges before they started whacking away at the keypad. And I hope said coward used a numeric lock instead of an alpha numeric one. And if you wanted to build special hardware and get some real engineers involved, you could likely just yank the whole memory image from ram via external connections and computers. Then you can hack away with a fake boot loader self walking though many possible keys. Run each as a virtual machine, run a bazillion copies using different key guess spaces on a bunch of AWS spare capacity for a few days until some virtual stands up and says "here I am". | ||
| Hootowl |
The data is stored on the device. Pull the storage device (likely some form of SSD-like NAND memory) and crack it offline. NSA can get into it given enough time, assuming they care enough about whatever's on it to spend the supercomputer cycles on it. The shooter obviously didn't care, or he would have destroyed it along with the other phones he destroyed. I suspect they will find nothing should they succeed in recovering data. | ||
| Blake |
Stand on principle. Simple. Apple is right on this. The FBI needs to man up and do the hard work instead of looking for the easy sleazy fix. | ||
| Torquehd |
..... the government already does what they're asking apple to give them the OK to do. But they can't prosecute based on information illegally obtained. That's why they want apple's "ok", to make it look legit. In short, they do it, but they don't want people to know they do it, and as long as apple doesn't play ball, Baraq Hussein can't start filling his FEMA detention camps. I say that last part somewhat jokingly. Somewhat. | ||
| Hootowl |
This site claims there is a telescope in Chile so powerful that it can see into the past. Um...they all do. Even the one I got from toys-r-us when I was 14. http://www.greatbigstory.com/stories/hpe-exploring -the-other-side-of-the-universe | ||
| Sifo |
Looking at the photons coming from my computer screen is seeing into the past. | ||
| Hootowl |
Exactly. | ||
| Blake |
Jeff (Hootowl), ALMA, that Chilean super telescope, is a truly amazing radio telescope interferometer array. It's able to see into the distant past, much more so than was possible before, and at much shorter/smaller sub-millimeter wavelengths (higher frequencies) than ever before. There’s a telescope deep in Chile’s Atacama Desert that takes pictures so massive that it requires a supercomputer as powerful as 16 million PCs to decipher the images. This is the Atacama Large Millimeter Array (ALMA), run by the National Radio Astronomy Observatory and the data it’s retrieving from space, after crunched by an incredibly powerful supercomputer, is showing astronomers things about the genesis of planets, galaxies and, well, the entire universe. It's another state of the art product built in here in Kilgore, Texas, not all of it, but a lot of it. I put together the project plan/proposal for building the carbon fiber structure here in Kilgore. The massive capital investment wasn't recoverable for the limited number. Bummer. Big autoclaves are not cheap. Besides building the pedestal and positioner, Kilgore also handled the antenna program management and project engineering for the site. Just getting the telescopes' assembled pedestal & positioners up the mountain was quite a feat. The video shows a brief clip of the tracked vehicle doing just that. More recently I worked in close collaboration with engineers in Germany, Dallas, and British Columbia on MEERCAT, an engineered structures award-winning radio telescope array currently going up in S. Africa. Multiple frequency band, liquid helium cooled receivers, known as "feeds" in the satcom vernacular. Zero blockage dual offset Gregorian. 90% plus efficiency. Typical radio telescope efficiencies are around 60%. https://gdmissionsystems.com/news-2015-meerkat-ant enna-wins-steal-award/ (Message edited by Blake on February 19, 2016) (Message edited by blake on February 19, 2016) | ||
| Hootowl |
That's f'ing cool Blake. I wasn't dissing the telescope, but rather the author for stating the obvious as if it was the only telescope in the world that captures light from millions or billions of years ago. | ||
| Hootowl |
There are some really smart folks on this board. Will one of you please explain to me how a wind turbine on an airplane will generate more power than it consumes in aerodynamic drag? http://www.cnn.com/videos/tech/2015/03/10/future-o f-airliners-nws-orig.cnn/video/playlists/all-about -planes/ | ||
| Aesquire |
It won't. | ||
| Sifo |
It's the new generation of "green" wind turbines! Similar to CFL bulb technology! | ||
| Hootowl |
Pessimist. Don't you realize they've solved our energy problems? All we have to do is put those loud unsightly wind turbines on airplanes. Free electricity! There are already hundreds of airplanes in the air all the time. Let's fit them with turbines. Better yet, lets put them on cars. All you need is a good hill to get going, and then you're self-sustaining! | ||
| Sifo |
I've had cars that I had to park on a hill to start it. | ||
| Torquehd |
Wind turbines on aircraft = socialist ideology. When I was in High school, I didn't understand much about physics. I wanted to put magnets on my truck's driveshaft and wrap coils of wire around it to charge a bay of batteries which would power an electric motor that was connected to.... the driveshaft. Thank God I never had the money to meddle with that. Now that I'm a little older, it takes me less than a half-second to spot the flaw in that mentality. Or the airplane/turbine mentality. Or the free college/high minimum wage mentality. All we really have to do to make free energy, is tax aircraft for the air that they move. Let's also charge people for the amount of oxygen that the get out of each breath, and penalize them for the amount of CO2 that they release back into the atmoshpere. If you really cared about "climate change", you'd stop EVERYONE from releasing CO2. You'd also kill all animals to stop them from producing C02 (and methane, and ammonia). Is the universe self-sustaining, or is entropy real? If entropy exists, the need for a savior exists. The need for Grace is actualized. | ||
| Aesquire |
And how is the airplane going to pay? | ||
| Hootowl |
Take it out of the fat cat CEO's salary or pass it on to the consumer in the form of an additional tax. Call it the 'idiots who don't understand thermodynamics' tax. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hoot, finally got a chance to watch that CNN "Airliner" video. Total bull. First, the aerodynamics of the plane are horrible. I can give you a list, but the wings, tail, and fuselage are all proven drag producers. The interference drag on the plane alone ( where the wings join the body, etc. ) is breathtakingly ignorant and a prime example why you should never buy anything that only exists as a cgi image. Second, I happen to actually Know one of the guys who is actually flying solar powered aircraft. The solar panels on the CNN plane aren't useless, just stupid. The weight vs. benefit isn't there in that application. Third. A wind turbine on a plane or car is a scam. Just like the "Browns gas" scam where you use your car's alternator to make Hydrogen and Oxygen from water by electrolysis, and then pipe the few grams produced into your intake "to boost power". Violates the freaking Laws Of Nature, and is a scam pulled on the ignorant for over a century. I see these Dream planes all the time. One in several thousand actually fly. Occasionally I am wrong about it being a scam, and I'm happy as could be for the result. ( that works out to about 3 times a century, so far ) THIS is my old flying buddy's project site. This is real. http://www.solar-flight.com/home/ | ||
| Hootowl |
I figured you'd appreciate the video. At first I was a bit pissed that they were even promoting this crap (but hey, it's cnn) but by the end I was literally 'laughing out loud'. The turbine put it over the top. Figured I'd share. | ||
| Ducbsa |
One example of "Excellence in Temperature Sensor Siting." http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/02/how- not-to-measure-temperature.php | ||
| Ducbsa |
Ooops! http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/23 /anti-hunting-outrage-now-forcing-zimbabwe-to-take -out-200-lions/ Where's that dentist when we need him? | ||
| Hootowl |
Probably still in hiding from the ignorant intolerant left. | ||
| Ducbsa |
This has some good points regarding that if a skeptic is told to shut up, maybe it isn't science. The part on DDT is interesting, too. https://theartsmechanical.wordpress.com/2016/02/24 /what-is-science/ | ||
| Aesquire |
"Silent Spring" which is required reading, was written by a lady dying of cancer. Pretty obviously she blamed the chemical industry. She wasn't completely wrong to do so. The book which I re read when I got older, is propaganda with near zero science content. Well written. |
