| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
Oh, resin, metal chips, and quartz crystals.. All you need is the crystals, recharge them in moonlight. At least that's what the Crystal using people say. Works for them, just like I bet those home made power candles work for him. YMMV. Since Quartz has interesting static electricity and piezoelectric properties, you can actually "feel" an effect from a crystal. A buddy is a lapidary. Shop in the basement. When he cuts crystals, he builds up a massive charge. He grounds himself out before going upstairs by slapping a metal pole holding the house up. There is a sign reminding him to do so, after he knocked his wife across the room when he kissed her after coming upstairs.... P.S. I'm sure the video guy feels he's protected with his Orgone tools. If it's not real, your are safe, if it is real a positive attitude can't hurt. Usually. I find projecting calm and moving slowly protects me from Bees when I work on a hive. ( I have no proof that they will attack me If I'm thinking angry thoughts.... but I move slower if I project calm... ) Attitude seems to have no effect on critters I've annoyed... So projecting calm may not help you with a pi$$ed off mama bear. Anything else we need to know about Chemtrails? Can we jump straight to Criss Angel and his levitation? Or maybe my old favorite, Vrill energy powering Nazi Flying Saucers? ( I don't deny the possibility of Psychic Phenomena... I do notice the Amazing Randi hasn't had to pay anyone yet for proving it... YMMV. ) PPS. You can't ground a magical tool in a puddle of water in a plastic cup. DAMHIK. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://xkcd.com/836/ Because they work. | ||
| Sifo |
I laugh at people who try to get quartz crystals to work without metal shavings.  | ||
| Geedee |
Some water vapour being dropped over Ireland. I'm picking it is probably Perrier Sparkling Mineral Water  | ||
| Hootowl |
So...the plane appears to stop emitting a vapor trail as it passes in to a cloud of vapor? You do understand how and why the vapor trail appears, yes? And how and why clouds form? You can't leave a vapor trail in a cloud of vapor. Do you seriously believe this crap, or are you just pulling our legs? | ||
| Sifo |
Anyone else ever notice how sometimes the sky will have a bunch of vapor trails that suddenly all end in the same area? It's just the planes passing into an area of the atmosphere that isn't conducive to vapor trails. Probably caused by a large orgone device.  | ||
| Geedee |
"You do understand how and why the vapor trail appears, yes?" Yes. "...or are you just pulling our legs?" No. Clifford Carnicom, professional computer analyst and former employee for the Defense Dept. , has been doing independent research on the aerosols that have been dumped from the skies for more than a decade. If you care about the environment, and if you care about your health, this is critically important information. Cliff also does a review of a recent report issued by the Center for Disease Control (not prevention) on the medical condition that has been called Morgellons. http://aircrap.org/ http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf If you have family, children, watch this with them, then come back to me.(Repost) http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PT O1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum .htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,686,605.PN.&OS=PN/4,686,605 &RS=PN/4,686,605 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZcaItj70U My friends think I'm crazy for riding Buells. OK, my friend thinks I'm crazy. Alright, if I had any friends, they might think I'm crazy :-). | ||
| Aesquire |
Contrails can be persistent. The Germans used the lines in the sky to find B-17's which routinely flew higher than other bombers. How long a contrail lasts depends on temperature, humidity and pressure.. The sky is not uniform. Not even close. Otherwise, gliders would never fly any time or distance, and I assure you they do. I've done it. There's a whole essay in my head on superchargers, altitude and military tactics in WW2... which fits in nicely with the problems the TR-1 and F-22 pilots area having with altitude sickness since they fly so high you can't see them with the naked eye. On purpose. Contrail formation is another reason to fly that high, and the recon birds constantly measure the temps and humidity on the flight path to keep from drawing an arrow towards themselves. On the Chemtrail issue, I've seen no evidence that's it is real. Count me a highly skeptical. Let me know if there's a way I can get in on the Chemtrail money, if there is any. I saw a report where a reporter was freaked out by NYC's air, which was full of rubber dust, ( duh, tires ) Human skin cells, ( duh, lots of people ) and rust. ( double duh, New Freaking York! ) Oddly I felt little surprise. Lovely place NY. Wasn't made of allergen free stainless, though. ( well, the Chrysler building... ) http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-york-air-f ull-junk-article-1.1176851 | ||
| Aesquire |
For a unique view of the Chrysler Building, may I suggest a really "bad" movie. "Q" with David Carradine and Michael Moriarty. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084556/ | ||
| Aesquire |
Interesting stuff on nuclei in cloud formation. Cosmic rays and the effect the solar wind has on them has a profound influence on climate. More solar wind, ( more sunspots, to over simplify ) less cosmic ray nuclei, less high altitude clouds, warmer climate. | ||
| Sifo |
Just think of the size of the conspiracy required for chemtrails. First you have to get all the politicians to keep it quiet, even when they could conveniently back stab others with this when it suits them. You also need private industry involved. As was already pointed out, this would be an expensive endeavor for the airlines, who are always in a cash crunch trying to stay just a little bit more afloat than their competition. Airports would have ground personnel involved to the tune of hundreds of thousands of people who handle the materials daily, and get it through security, etc. Airplanes aren't just engineered to be crop dusters in addition to their primary rolls. So enter virtually all of the major aircraft manufacturers who would have to have people at all levels in on the conspiracy. You would also have the manufactures of the chemicals involved in this. What exactly are the chemicals again? Dangerous stuff? Then you have ground transportation personnel to get it from point of manufacture to the airports, past security who is in on it of course. I'm sure I've left out tens of thousands of people, but that would be the short list. It would make secretly rigging a group of highrise buildings for controlled demolition overnight seem like child's play. So this is a US government plot that benefits us, but certainly will be to the detriment of many other countries, if not most others. Yet these other governments keep quite about it? I guess the UN must also be in on the conspiracy. Of course it's well known that the key to keeping a conspiracy secret it limiting the number of people involved. This is conspiracy 101. Of course it can also be explained as a well known and well documented scientific phenomenon. Hey, I guess which ever explanation floats your boat. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://xkcd.com/1119/ | ||
| Kenm123t |
Do you really expect our gov to keep a secret ? Biden would have spilled the beans years ago. | ||
| Hootowl |
What? Climate models are wrong? No! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/14/climate_mo dels_too_many_droughts/ | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Nah it's not the governments, it's a clandestine consortium doing it from their secret base deep below the Vatican.  | ||
| Sifo |
What? Climate models are wrong? No! Rest assured that they will fix that right up and still come up with the exact same 100 year prediction though.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I have spent some time working with spooky birds that 'don't' exist. Never a tank on them for chemicals - if they are doing it - they ain't using Navy Birds. | ||
| Aesquire |
Great article in Air & Space on the 787, and how picky ( firmly certain ) Japan Airlines is on detail. JAL, for example, specified windshield squirters, since the windows do not open, and not every airport they serve has a suitible cherry picker to let the ground crew clean the windshield. The tolerances in the drilled holes, and fit of the composite structure, is so tight that they put each planes major parts, ( wings, fuselage sections, tail bits ) in position at "station 0" for 24 hours to heat equalize before assembly begins. Even at that stage, they begin tearing out the pre installed wiring harness to put in updates. The whole system is networked and digital, and each airline has it's own custom version. ( how many and where the seat mounted tv's are for example. ) I find it soooooo likely that hidden chemtrail tanks are added in secret...  Especially since the wings are so thin that the few workers allowed to touch them have to pass a test involving passing through a very small hole. ( how big is secret ) They must be the ones to install the chemtrail tanks, lines, electronics, etc. Or maybe it's specially trained monkeys that install the equipment while the planes secretly stop at area 53. Hootowl, to date the models haven't predicted the past. From what I know of weather, ( a little bit ) that's normal, since the "butterfy effect" is HUGE and is the main reason they can't tell you if it's going to rain on the second tuesday of next month. Current understanding says you just can't. Maybe some day. ( but I doubt it ) You should be able to plot trends, though. However, making a "solid" prediction of temps a decade away within a tenth of a degree? As Bogus as people claiming to speak to the dead. ( one area where the Amazing Randi and I agree completely. It's cruel deceit. ) Cherry picking the start & end point for a trend line... THAT's the main way to lie with graphs. That's what Mann and crew do, when they are not just "adjusting" the data to fit the predrawn curve. Then again.... it could be quite real. As a dweller in the cold climes, I'm for it. Since I KNOW the ice is coming. Don't know why I worry, since the Agenda 21 folks want to force me to live in a city, since "From the perspective of climate change, the average urban dweller in the U.S. has about one-third the carbon footprint of the average suburban dweller." Ellen Dunham-Jones The Sharia folk want me dead. ( Neo-pagan ) The Socialized medicine folk want to let me die. ( too old ) The Capitalists want to keep me alive forever to sell me stuff. ( hey? Wait a minute.... ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.ted.com/talks/james_randi.html | ||
| Geedee |
I don't think "they" particularly care what the "citizens'" opinions might be. The mere fact you are a "citizen" declares you invalid. 6. CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS The secretary of defense may conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological agents on civilian populations. Public law of the United States, Law 95-79, title VIII, Sec.808, July 30th 1977. 6.1. CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS: When combining the knowledge of the formation of contrails, the effects of Cirrus clouds on climate, the historical records of weather manipulation programs, the scientific studies on geo-engineering through modification of Cirrus clouds, the available and patented technology coupled with reactions of pilots on the internet one can only come to the following conclusions: 1. Manipulation of climate through modification of Cirrus clouds is neither a hoax nor a conspiracy theory, but currently the best option in geo-engineering considered by decision makers to counter global warming. The impact of production of artificial Cirrus clouds on temperature and precipitation patterns is supported by adequate hard scientific evidence. 2. The ambition of the United States is to control the weather by the year 2025, both for civil and military purposes (offensive and defensive strategies). This research paper contains a proven track record to support that statement. 3. The technology to organize spraying actions on a global scale is widely available. Both civil and military aviation is used for that purpose. The mix, containing oxides of metals and chemical components, can either be dispersed through special designed pods or directly incorporated into the jet fuel. This research paper is well documented in this respect. 4. Since the patents are owned by the main defense contractor for the U.S. armed forces (Raytheon) or the U.S. Department of Defense itself and given the history record it is obvious that current climate manipulation programs are organized and directed by the United States government. 5. The spraying actions in Europe are only possible with prior approval and intense co-ordination on top government level and industry on executive level. The general public is intentionally kept unaware of the existence of such projects. 6. Although the spraying actions may be considered legal these actions may have a potential detrimental effect on health. There is sufficient scientific evidence available in this research paper to support this thesis. It is not the purpose of this research paper to give a moral appreciation of these actions. Nevertheless the investigation team unanimously comes to the following recommendations for the future: a) Artificial Cirrus clouds should be classified as a separate cloud genus by the WMO. Additional scientific research with the effects on nature and public health on this subject should be considered. Results -whatever the outcome- should be made public. b) It is unacceptable that the Awacs aircraft fleet under NATO operates under a Luxemburg civil registration without complying with civil aviation regulations. This is a flagrant violation of the law and this should be corrected in the near future. Given the very unfavorable engine emission ratios of this aircraft retrofitting of these engines should be considered as soon as practical. c) When considering a legal case it is better to sue an industrial group, such as Raytheon, rather than a government agency. It is clear for us that the responsibility of Raytheon in this respect is far reaching with the creation of a monopoly in climate modeling and weather as a geo-engineering or military instrument. If possible an international ban should be placed on such weapons. d) Although the existence of weather modification projects have been illustrated in an adequate way in this research paper it is now the duty of a serious politician on any level to make enquiries to the government for public release of these spraying schemes through aviation. It is mandatory that such statement should include the reason why such operations are conducted. It is not an option to hide behind the motive of national security. http://saive.com/911/DOCS/Chemtrail-Symposium-Belf ort-Group-70Page-Report-Searchable.pdf 24 mins long. Time enough for a beer. http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/secret_ government  | ||
| Gregtonn |
From Machine Design Magazine Thermodynamics of global warming? "Reader Earl Shaffer recently wrote us about why he has doubts about global warming claims and the role of carbon dioxide in warming. He brings some interesting facts. Here is what he points out: 1. The Area of Lake Michigan is 57.757 X 109 m2 . 2. The suns energy gives the amount of power received on earth as 1.4 X 103 Watts/ m2 (per square meter). One Watt (power) = Joule/s of energy rate. 3. There are 300,000,000 Americans as our population. This is 3 X 108. 4. There is produced one million watts of electricity per 1000 people. 5. The above items 3 and 4 gives 300,000 Mw as the Total American power consumption rate of electricity. 6. Item 1 above times item 2 gives 80.86 X 1012 Watts received on the Area the size of Lake Michigan. This is 80.86 X 106 Mw. 7. Then you divide Item 6 by item 5 gives the ratio as 270. The ratio of 270 shows just how overwhelming the Sun's energy/power received on Earth is to the energy/power we consume. This shows just how much energy is received by such a relatively very small area on Earth from our Sun. An area the size of Lake Michigan receives enough energy to supply our electricity for 270 days in just one day. This shows the potential for the Sun's energy conversion that needs to be developed. Lake Michigan is a very small area of Earth! The surface ratio portion of Earth for Lake Michigan is 0.000113. The Earth receives 1.79 X 1017 Watts of continuous radiation from the Sun. In just fifty-six (56) seconds the Sun provides an Energy equal to the total Electrical Energy Americans use in an entire year (1019 Joules). No sources of energy consumed by man come close to the quantity of natural power by the Sun. These numbers prove the Sun's energy received on Earth does absolutely dominate. The Suns energy does absolutely control the heating and cooling on Earth. We Americans radiate almost 100 Watts/ person. This gives our heating of environment power to be approximately 3 X 1010 Watts/s in America. A surface area the size of 1720 square feet will receive a Sun power of 300 horsepower, an automobile equivalent. The earth's gases absorb a trivial energy compared to the solid/wet surfaces. The Sun's Energy is 29,000 times greater than 87,000,000 barrels/day of consumed Crude. The Carbon Dioxide level in the Earth's Atmosphere is only 0.0314% by volume. The World's atmosphere is composed of mainly Oxygen that is 20.947%, and Nitrogen that is 78.084% by volume. This is a sum total of 99.031% of the volume of the gases in Earths atmosphere. If you divide 99.031 by 0.0314 you get a ratio of 3154. This number shows the thermodynamic impossibility that the small amount of volume of the gas Carbon Dioxide causes the warming. This means the Sun shines on 3154 times more volume of the molecules of Oxygen and Nitrogen than Carbon Dioxide. This leaves Carbon Dioxide as a trivial factor receiving Energy from the Sun. The Sun's energy absorbed by the Solid(s) and Wet surfaces of Earth are thousands of times greater than the small amount of energy absorbed by the Carbon Dioxide. The surface of the Earth is roughly 75% water. The specific heat of water is the highest value of any material, being the whole number one (1). This specific heat number is the ability of a substance to absorb energy per degree Celsius temperature change. Nothing compares to the large area of Earth's Oceans to be receiving and absorbing the Suns Energy. The small amount of the gas Carbon Dioxide does not compare in Thermodynamic science to the Oceans. The huge Oceans energy then transforms to water vapor. Water vapor is claimed to be a greenhouse gas. Water vapor from the Earth's surfaces caused by the Sun is simply not possible to prevent. It is our natural environment. This is by good science reasoning where the largest transfer of Energy from the Sun to Earth is happening. This points directly to our Sun. The radiation Energy received on Earth is the source of heating and cooling of our Planet. The Earths atmospheric gases absorb a very small portion of the Sun's Energy compared to the Water, and solid Earth. The life cycles of plant growth requires and uses Carbon Dioxide, thus preventing any problems by this gas. In fact it is necessary for the production/ conversion to good plant growth and thereby releases oxygen back to our environment." G | ||
| Kenm123t |
Short version is in a global warming cycle rain forests expand | ||
| Xdigitalx |
So.. am I gonna need extra thermals this year or WHAT?!@?@?@? | ||
| Kenm123t |
In so fla we are still 90 + and 80% rh | ||
| Aesquire |
Gregtonn, Pretty, but too apples/oranges. The numbers as presented are deceptive. For example, true, we could cover lake michigan, or it's equal in area with solar panels, or mirrors and boilers, and fill in the area beneath with batteries, and get a fraction of our power needs. But not close to all. There are massive inefficiencies in the conversion process, and humongous collectors to be made to catch the tiny and diffuse power of the Sun. Nope, gotta cover a Texas sized area. I'd buy some extra thermals based entirely on my pessimism and the completely statistically invalid belief that last year was mild, so we're going to pay for it. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
This planet was here with life on it long long before mankind came along & will still be here long after we're gone I reckon. That's my belief anyway. If you're a Creationist, All this came into being a few days before humans. So we're at the whim of some being with extraordinary powers that we can't hope to control. If you're a Greenie, Go sit in your yurt & eat some tofu. | ||
| Geedee |
CIA Project Cloverleaf was the initial aerosolized heavy metal chemtrail spraying op. Chemtrail barium salts absorb electromagnetic radiation, aluminum dioxides reflect it. Chemtrail spraying allegedly commenced over N.A. by the early 1990s, using commercial & military airplanes and being sold as a Greenhouse gas/global warming mitigation strategy of the skies, which was & still is primarily in the hands of the U.S. military. Barium, aluminum, thorium and selenium were/still are processed into sub-micron particles and ionized with a special electrical charge, for chemtrail spraying. HAARPs is utilized for many clandestine missions, of which Weather Modification is a fundamental objective. Microwave, ELF (Extreme Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low Frequency) and other EMR/EMF-based systems are transmitted into the atmosphere and reflected by the ionosphere, back through the Earth's Stratosphere/Atmosphere where various airborne chemical particulates, polymer filaments and other electromagnetic frequency absorbers and reflectors are used to push or pull the prevailing Jet-Streams, changing Weather patterns. (Note: Vast files of our research are available on the particulate, polymers, Microwave, ELF, VLF & EMG, etc) In many instances, Drought Inducement Technologies have been found in patented systems. Drought Inducement occurs, according to reviewed technologies by heating the Stratosphere with Microwaves, placing airborne chemical particulates in the airspace and thereby changing the base-line moisture gradients via microwaves from HAARPs and desiccating chemically with Barium Titanates, Methyl Aluminum and Potassium mixtures. http://frandeaquino.org/ http://frandeaquino.org/ELF%20Earthquakes http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/20 12/05/death-chain-antarctic-haarp-activation-21282 55.html http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/20 12/05/masters-of-the-world-haarp-wars-2098680.html http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/ Other strange coincidences and anomalies with the Christchurch earthquake: 1. 9 members of US Congress were in Christchurch for a summit meeting on Feb 21 & 22 but left Christchurch 2.5 hours before the earthquake hit and relocated to Wellington even though the meeting was not due to finish until the evening of Feb 22nd. 2. The US Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, was supposed to be visiting Christchurch and speaking at the summit meeting on Feb 22, but on Feb 18 announced she was cancelling her visit 3. The Deputy Administrator of FEMA (US Federal Emergency Management Agency), Timothy Manning, just happened to be in Christchurch at the time with a US delegation. All of the rest of the delegation left Christchurch shortly before the quake hit except for Mr Manning who stayed behind, and then after the quake hit he assisted with directing the emergency response. Exactly the same thing happened with FEMA delegates with the Haitiearthquake. In Haiti , the FEMA delegates just happened to be there at the time conducting training exercises for responding to major earthquakes. 4. Recently retired US Admiral Thad Allen just happened to be in Christchurch at the time of the earthquake. Admiral Allen directed the US federal response to Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, and the Gulf Oil disaster. 5. 116 members of the Singapore army just happened to be in Christchurch at the time for training exercises and were also able to assist with the response operation In the magical universe there are no coincidences and there are no accidents. Nothing happens unless someone wills it to happen. William S. Burroughs Blue pill or the Red pill? | ||
| Sifo |
Geedee, I was starting to try to figure out what earthquake you are talking about at Christchurch. I came up with a site dedicated to earthquakes in the area. Seven of them just in the last two days! I assume the intended message is that these political leaders were intended to be the target of a secret plot and just managed to escape. Here's the problem with this reasoning. The big coincidence isn't that they were there when an earthquake hit. The big coincidence is that they happened to leave just before the quake happened. The fact is that earthquakes happen. Often. Especially in some areas like Christchurch. An earthquake is a pretty lousy way to target individuals. The overwhelming odds are that you will not get the intended victims. Do you really believe any of this stuff you are posting? | ||
| Diablobrian |
Hey guys, don't forget that the Amazon rain forrest will be non-existant by the year 2000....or so we were told throughout the 80's and 90's. I was an HVAC tech for years and saw the industry crippled based on theories that 2 friends of mine proved wrong in the shipyards years ago. the theory goes that the refrigerants make their way to the upper atmosphere and break down the ozone layer. Problem is all man made comercial refrigerants (those awful awful cloro-flourocarbons or CFC's) that I have ever heard of are HEAVIER than air and settle to low points in a given room. That is where your CFC sniffer goes off as you zero in on the leak. Anyway in the shipyards the ventilation is fairly routinely shut down for maintenance and that was the case on the night in question. Friend 1 (Dave) was working in the machinery room which was accessed by climbing down through a hatch. He was eventually overcome the colorless odorless gas and drowned while passed out on dry deckplates. Friend 2 (Able) could not raise friend 1 on the radio so he went looking for him. It appears he went down into room and found Dave and attempted to carry him out of room. However he also was overcome and drowned. Of course being a military ship this event was quickly swept under the rug. Makes it hard for me to believe that any more than the barest traces of these gasses could possibly make it up to the ozone layer. Anyone else remember the ozone hole scare that started the whole global warming panic? Just before they found out that the ozone layer has and has always had a n opening that irised open and closed to help regulate the global climate? Here is the other bit, why do the alamists use 20 year old data? Answer: because the newer data does not support the global warming theories. Finally Volcanic eruptions and geological sources contribute massive amounts of greenhouse gasses to the global climate picture. When Mount Penetubo in the Phillipines blew it's top in the early 90's they said that in the first 48hours it produced more green house gasses than the entire United States had in the previous 15 years (I think they said 20 but want to be conservative here) makes you wonder how much the ring of fire spews out in any given year Or mt St. Helens, Krakatoa, or how about the La Brea tar pits? I had heard that the locals referred to the LA basin as "the land of the brown air" long before combustion engines were invented due to the unique geography and emissions of the tar pits. Granted what I'm talking about is largely anecdotal there is solid science behind it. ChloroFlourocarbons are large heavy molecules. They are far heavier than air which is made up of 70% Nitrogen. The Ozone hole has been proven to open and close by it's own mechanisms. Volcanic and geothermal vents do produce MASSIVE amounts of CO2, and other greenhouse gasses and have since long before man walked the earth. The earth goes through warming and cooling cycles since before man and will continue long after man has perished. To paraphrase Michael Crichton "what utter intoxicating vanity to think that man could destroy the earth. The earth has survived upheavals and changes that in our greatest efforts we could not begin to implement" of course this speech was cut from the Jurassic Park movie because the director had a very different agenda. Sorry about the rambling but the climate alarmists make me angry. Hey, who wants to buy some of Al Gore's carbon credits? after all his estate is a paragon of efficiency....no wait, it isn't at all nor are his motrcades made up of hybrid vehicles etc.etc. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Aesquire, I think you missed the point entirely. It wasn't about harvesting energy. It was about "human caused global warming" or the lack thereof. G |
