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Kinder
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

K, not sure if this has been done before or in one place.

There are so many 'theories' as to why these things are burning out/ failing. Like most I am tired of hearing another tale of a failed stator. We all have ideas on fixes and such but just when a new idea is tried someone else shows up with it failing.

I want to compile a list of the following. Make a new list covering the following as it was when your stator failed. If it failed multiple times then make multiple lists.

If it has never failed please fill in the list.

I will separate out '08's but still want the info.

Maybe.... just maybe we will find a trend we are all missing?


1) Year
2) Model
3) Air filter type
4) Oil type and weight
5) ECM
6) Harness upgrade Y/N
7) Regulator
8) Exhaust system
9) Average length of ride
10) Average voltage on ride
11) Number of times starting bike on average ride
12) Average Core Temp on ride
13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride
14) How often are you at parade speeds. (stuck in traffic)
15) Fuel rating used
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods.
17) Mileage before failure


Just make a list of 1-17 and fill it in. I will start compiling them together once we have a few answers.

(Message edited by kinder on June 28, 2011)
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Yugi
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1. 2009
2. 1125CR
3. OEM
4. Mobil 1 V-Twin 20w50, HD Syn3
5. OEM
6. Yes, after 1st stator failed @5500 miles
7. OEM
8. OEM
9. 20 minutes
10. 13.5-14.4
11. 1
12. 170-185F
13. 32 mph @4000-8000 rpm.
14. never, but stop at stop lights.
15. 91
16. denoid, resistor.
17. 1 @5500 miles, 2 @8500 miles

Second time, the relay from harness upgrade failed, but the dealer didn't find it out and replaced a stator, rotor and a VR. I replaced the relay and everything is working fine so far. The stator may have been good second time, but the dealer replaced it anyway.

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Dannybuell
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) 09
2) CR
3) K&N
4) Red Line 20W50
5) Stock
6) Y - since new.
7) Erik Buell Racing
8) Barker
9) 20 miles
10) 12.7
11) 4x
12) 170F
13) 60-70 mph
14) once or twice a day.
15) 91+
16) denoid, plug only.
17) 2,200 miles, went back to OEM ECM.
18) Battery Tender: No.


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Pepperk496
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) 09
2) CR
3) Factory
4) Amsoil 20w50
5) Factory*
6) Harness - Yes
7) Factory
8) Factory*
9) 45 minutes highway 2x per day - commute
10) 13.8- 14-1
11) 1 time per ride
12) AM 172 degrees - PM 190 degrees
13) 75 MPH 4200-5000 rpms
14) 2-3 minutes a day (ID check at gate going on base)
15) 91 minimum
16) None.
17) 4200 mi / 10,000 mi / 12,000 miles

* Three stators @4200 miles, @10,000 miles and @12,000 miles, 2 rotors (10k and 12k) and a R/R (4200) have been replaced under warranty, all with factory parts installed. Latest Stator has lasted 2500 miles, with E B R ecm, and Barker exhaust. All 2500 came LAST WEEK as I rode from California to Texas via AZ/NM with daytimes AT @ 115, and CT@ 200-210. Fingers are crossed that I can make it back in 3 weeks!

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Dktechguy112
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) 09 with 2010 engine
2) CR
3) OEM
4) 09 motor had amsoil 20w-50, 2010 has the stock harley synthetic
5) Erik Buell Racing with stock exhaust
6) Yes
7) Oem
8) Stock
9) 60 miles one way (commute)
10) 13.7-14.1
11) 2
12) in the summer (190-200) in the winter (170-180)
13) 80mph/6000rpm
14) only at stop lights (5-10 min per ride)
15) 91 chevron or shell
16) Hid kit from DDM tuning (low beams only and 35w)
17) engine currently has about 4000 miles on it, hasn't failed yet.

My first engine went out at 2300 miles, got a new 2010 engine.
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) Year - 2009
2) Model - 1125CR
3) Air filter type K&N
4) Oil type and weight - 10W40 AMSIOL(WAS 20W50 MOBIL1)
5) ECM - Erik Buell Racing (WAS O S B SINDE 600MI)
6) Harness upgrade Y/N - NO
7) Regulator - STOCK
8) Exhaust system -FMF SLIP ON
9) Average length of ride -30 MIN TO 2HR
10) Average voltage on ride - 13.5 TO 14.2
11) Number of times starting bike on average ride - 2 TO 10
12) Average Core Temp on ride - ?
13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride - HIGH
14) How often are you at parade speeds. - RARE (stuck in traffic)
15) Fuel rating used 91
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods. -ALL STOCK - ON ORIGIONAL STATOR / REG / BATT , denoided, ddm hid low beam

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Xtreme6669
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

about 8k miles
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Freezerburn840
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1. 09
2. 1125CR
3. K&n
4. kal gard blend 10w40 or 10w50
5. Stock until 10k Erik Buell Racing Barker ECM
6. yes
7. OEM
8. stock until 10k Barker Exhaust
9. 60 miles a day
10. 13.2 to 14.1
11. 2
12. 170 to 195
13. 80mph/ 5k
14. 5 to 10 min (dk's is close)
15. 91
16. resistor plug (denoid)
17. 4k

Bike has 12,500 on it. 4k new harness and new stator at the same time have not had a problem since.
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Freezerburn840
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

used 08 no issues had dealer print the vin# just the clutch cover fix. No stator failures. 6700 miles currently.
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Bartimus
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) 2009
2) 1125CR
3) K&N
4) Mobil 1 15W50
5) Erik Buell Racing
6) Y
7) OEM
8) OEM
9) 100
10) 13.8
11) 2
12) 202
13) 70mph
14) never
15) 91
16) none
17) 6200
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D_adams
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

08 1125, 25k+ miles. No issues with stator or V/R. Multiple exhaust systems. Amsoil 20w50 after initial break-in period.
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Ratgin
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) 09
2) R
3) OEM
4) HD SYN
5) OEM
6) Harness upgrade Y
7) OEM Reg
8) OEM Exhaust system
9) Min 40kms - 500kms Average length of ride
10) Average voltage on ride
11) 2
12) 180-200 Average Core Temp on ride
13) 65mph 5.5 rpm
14) rare
15) 91 Fuel rating used
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods.
17) 4500 kms


Think this has been solved already in theother thread.

08 to 09 changed the number of poles. 09s with 08 stators are not failing.
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Neufey
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) Year - 2008 with a 2009 engine
2) Model - 1125R
3) Air filter type - K&N
4) Oil type and weight - Syn 3
5) ECM - Twin motorcycles custom map
6) Harness upgrade Y/N - yes
7) Regulator - Stock
8) Exhaust system - Stock
9) Average length of ride 30kms to and from work, 300 to 600 kms on weekends.
10) Average voltage on ride - not sure exactly but 13.5v to 14v aprox.
11) Number of times starting bike on average ride - weekdays once, weekends 5 to 8
12) Average Core Temp on ride - 76 to 88 deg C
13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride - high speed, 5k RPM and above
14) How often are you at parade speeds. (stuck in traffic) - Rarely
15) Fuel rating used - 94 octane
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods. - De-noided with resistor
17) Mileage before failure - 10,000 Kms
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Duphuckincati
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) 2009
2) CR
3) Stock
4) Mobil 1 20/50
5) Stock for 4000mi, race ECM for last 2400mi.
6) No
7) Stock
8) Stock
9) 100-150 miles
10) Mid 13's
11) 4?
12) 185/190
13) 65-80...4000-7500
14) Zero
15) 91
16) Extra ground wire from r/r mount to battery
17) Still working fine @6400miles

Thanks for your efforts.
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Mhpalin
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2009
cr
kn
amsoil 20/50
ebr ecm
yes
stock
stock
100km
13.5-14.3
3
77C-88C
varies over 5000 rpm 90% of the time
rarely
91 octane
denoided with resistor
18,000km
thanks for the effort Mike
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Zac4mac
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 12:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1)2008
2)R
3)K&N
4)Red Line 10W-40
5)Erik Buell Racing
6)N/A
7)OEM
8)Drummer
9)1-3 hrs
10)13.8
11)2-5
12)180-190
13(65-85
14)almost never
15)91
16)Heated grips, Kuryakyn LED voltmeter, HID lo-beams, XBLights integrated clear LED taillight, de-noided/flies tied.
17)27k miles, Original OEM: battery, R/R, stator/rotor.
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Easylarveur
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 03:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) 2010
2) CR
3) 0-10000km: OEM, since 10000km: K&N
4) HD SYN
5) OEM
6) done at 6000km
7) OEM
8) OEM with cat (european bike)
9) 150km
10) 13,1 - 14,1
11) 3
12) winter: 75°C - Summer: 94°C
13) 90km/h - 4000 RPM
14) twice in a ride for a few minutes
15) 95 or 98
16) Buell heated hand grips - resistor plug - GPS
17) 12000km

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Jcjohnson33
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 03:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) Year - 2009

2) Model - 1125R

3) Air filter type - K&N

4) Oil type and weight - 
       Mobil 1 20W/50 syn

5) ECM - stock

6) Harness upgrade - Yes

7) Regulator - stock

8) Exhaust system - Saron

9) Average length of ride - 
      70 mil round trip

10) Average voltage on ride - 
       13.8 - 14.2

11) Number of times starting bike on average ride - 4

12) Average Core Temp on ride -
 

13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride
        80mph/5-6000rpm

14) How often are you at parade speeds. (stuck in traffic) - 
        split lanes : ) 25-50mph

15) Fuel rating used - 91oct

16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods -
        powerizer fuel controller
17) Mileage before failure - approx 5-6,000

Not sure if the dealer replaced the r/r when they replaced the stator. They did the harness upgraded at the same time. I have 16,000 miles now
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Posplayr
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

data mining at its best;

we dont need no stinkin physics. All knowledge is in the data; we just need more data
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Fastfxr
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1 year 2010

2 model 1125cr

3 air filter k&n

4 oil type mobil one v-twin 20w/50 syn

5 ecm ebr programable

6 harness upgrade yes for about 4000km removed it after vr failed

7 vr type replaced stock one after it failed with shindengen FH012AA

8 exhaust ebr full system ceramic coated

9 average length of ride 100km

10 average voltage on ride 14.4-14.1

11 number of times starting bike on average ride 4

12 average core temp on ride 74c to 87c

13 average speed/rpm on ride 80km to 200km

14 how often are you at parade speeds stuck in traffic momentary split lanes

15 fuel rating used 98oct

16 other air/ engine mods /electrical mods denoid with resistor tm stacks

17 mileage before failure 6000km
the voltage reg failed at 6000km replaced with shindengen FH012AA and removed harness while i waited for the new vr to arrive i removed the stator to check it it was working ok but was burnt and the resin was cracking up not a pretty sight so i had betta bikes rewind it to their specs
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Dannybuell
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Posplayr -- Lots more data! engine temperature and voltage might be a good pairing.
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01_turbowolf
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1. 2009
2. 1125CR
3. stock air filter
4. mobil 1 20w-50 v-twin
5. ebr ecm w/barker tune
6. has had harness since brand new
7. oem
8. barker pipe
9. 30 min
10. anywhere between 12.3-14.1V
11. 1
12. 170 winter, 190 summer
13. 74mph @ 5000rpm
14. never
15. 91
16. denoid, ambient temp moved to airbox, hid high and low, 2010 led tail, led tag light.
17. 6500 mi.

my regulator failed first, went up to 15v and fried the entire charging system. melted all the connectors together and shorted the stator windings.
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1_mike
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) Year - 09
2) Model - CR
3) Air filter type - Stock
4) Oil type and weight _ Mobil 1, 15-50 (car oil)
5) ECM - Modified original
6) Harness upgrade Y/N - N
7) Regulator - Stock
8) Exhaust system - Barker
9) Average length of ride -89 miles a day
10) Average voltage on ride - (can't average and drive at the same time!!) 13.4 to 14.1
11) Number of times starting bike on average ride - Twice
12) Average Core Temp on ride - Core?? Winter = 175, summer = 185
13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride - (Again with the average). Average is hard to say, I "try" to keep the rpm above 3000rpm
14) How often are you at parade speeds. (stuck in traffic) - Stop signs/signals, splitting lanes at walking speeds
15) Fuel rating used - 91
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods. - Nothing major.
17) Mileage before failure - I'll verify, I think it was at about 16,000 miles.

A better answer on the rpm - I have a mostly a freeway drive, but the morning is normally at or near 5000rpm.
The afternoon probably "averages" about 3800/4000rpm.

At 22,1xx miles on the second stator, with no "obvious" problems.

Mike
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Rde48
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) 2009
2) 1125R
3) K&N
4) Mobil 1 20w50 vtwin
5) Stock ECM
6) Harness upgrade Y @5000 miles
7) Regulator Stock
8) Exhaust system Stock
9) Average length of ride 30 miles
10) Average voltage 11.8 -12.8
11) Number of times starting bike on average ride 5-10
12) Average Core Temp on ride Not sure
13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride 60mph 5000rpm
14) How often are you at parade speeds. not often
15) Fuel rating used 93
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods.N/A
17) Mileage before failure Still not failed but had some problems
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Milezero5
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

) Year - 09 with 16k miles
2) Model - CR
3) Air filter type - stock
4) Oil type and weight - H-D Syn(just drained, switching to amsoil)
5) ECM - switched to ebr at 14k
6) Harness upgrade Y/N - Y
7) Regulator - stock
8) Exhaust system - FMF slip on
9) Average length of ride - depends on mood(usually 30 min)
10) Average voltage on ride (varies way to much- 12.1 at lowest with both fans on high to 14.4 at highest)
11) Number of times starting bike on average ride - 4
12) Average Core Temp on ride - above 170 (usually between 180 - 200)
13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride - 65/ above 4k all the time
14) How often are you at parade speeds. (stuck in traffic) - way to often
15) Fuel rating used - 93
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods. - intake snorkel wrapped in dei cool tape
17) Mileage before failure - hasnt failed yet but there are electrical issues at times, dead battery occasionally

Im amazed nothing has fried yet, I live in Jacksonville fl and it gets hotter than a mug down here especially being stuck in traffic all the time. Been riding my klx250s more often cause of the weather.



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Avc8130
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) Year: 2009
2) Model: CR
3) Air filter type: Stock
4) Oil type and weight: Syn3 20W50
5) ECM: Stock
6) Harness upgrade: Y
7) Regulator: Stock
8) Exhaust system: Stock
9) Average length of ride: 45 mins/25 miles
10) Average voltage on ride: 12.0-14.2 AVG: ~13.2
11) Number of times starting bike on average ride: 1
12) Average Core Temp on ride: 185F
13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride: ~50mph, ~4500rpm
14) How often are you at parade speeds. (stuck in traffic): ~5 miles/15-20 mins DAILY
15) Fuel rating used: 93
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods: None
17) Mileage before failure: ~4500

Another category:
18) Battery Tender Use: Religious every night

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Jules
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) Year: 2009
2) Model: R
3) Air filter type: K&N
4) Oil type and weight: AMSOIL 20W50
5) ECM: Erik Buell Racing
6) Harness upgrade: Y
7) Regulator: Stock
8) Exhaust system: Barker
9) Average length of ride: 15 mins/7 miles
10) Average voltage on ride: 13.1
11) Number of times starting bike on average ride: 1
12) Average Core Temp on ride: 185F
13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride: ~50mph, ~4500rpm
14) How often are you at parade speeds. (stuck in traffic): ~2 miles/5-10 mins DAILY
15) Fuel rating used: 95
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods: None
17) Mileage before failure: Not failed yet
18) Battery Tender Use: Religious every night
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Mackja
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1)2009
2)1125r
3)k&n
4)H-D Sync 3 20w50
5)Erik Buell Racing ECM
6)Harness upgrade: Yes
7)Regulator: stock
8)HMF Exhaust
9)30-60 min
10) 13.1
11) 2
12) 190
13) 4,000-4500
14)very little.
15)95
16)none
17) 4500 first, 2nd bad out of the box, 3rd, 2000, 4th 2500, 5th 150. Waiting on 6th to be installed. Harness failed at 11,000 miles
18)no need for tender, ride 8-9,000 miles a year.
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Pepperk496
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SIX stators mackja!?
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Nukeblue
Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2011 - 12:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) Year-2009
2) Model-1125cr
3) Air filter type-stock
4) Oil type and weight-amsoil 20-50 now
5) ECM-stock
6) Harness upgrade Y/N-y
7) Regulator-stock
8) Exhaust system-stock
9) Average length of ride-**
10) Average voltage on ride-13.9
11) Number of times starting bike on average ride-3
12) Average Core Temp on ride-180
13) Average Speed/ RPM on ride-4500
14) How often are you at parade speeds. (stuck in traffic)-hardly at all
15) Fuel rating used-91
16) Other air/ engine mods/ electrical mods.-ddm hid 35w low beam
17) Mileage before failure- not failed yet 5,000 miles so far

**my first 4,500 miles were mostly all day rides at 300 miles in a day. my last 500 miles have been short trips and 3 mile commutes to work. sorry!
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