| Author | Message | ||
     Bushr |
Purchased a 2008 1125r from a private seller recently. Previous owner was unaware of 1125r security features and was the second owner. The PIN is not the factory default (0000) and not the last four digits of the VIN. I spoke to the local Harley Service Ctr - they believe it impossible to recover the 4 digit PIN from the bikes computer. Further, they suggested the only cure for this would be a new instrument cluster. This seems very unlikely?! Does anyone have some experience with this system? Is this true? I would like to use the security features at some point but not going to drop $500 for an instrument cluster. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
ur local harley dealer is supposed to be able to reset it via their harley tech or whatever data sytem | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Its a feature that's sounds neat but after the first couple times of using it, i never bothered with it again. It's awkward to set--IIRC i think you have to enter a pin to arm it. How lame. Also, the charging system issues make my wary of using anything that takes xtra juice. | ||
| Nillaice |
Bushr, congrats on your purchase. although i'd not buy a vehicle without having test-driven it first... i'm not sure, but i'd think the IC would have it's own BATT to keep the odo memory. should be the same for the security code. Fresno, that sounds about as lame as not reading your owners manual. https://www.buell.com/om/99480-09Y_en/file-4.asp#h dtopic006952 you can set it up to never ask, ask or always arm i'd rather find my bike with a dead battery than never find it again. that'd be pretty lame | ||
| Puzzled |
Bushr if you have to buy an IC it wasn't all that much. I changed mine from the 08 version to an 09. The "Harley Tech" computer I would think should be able to do it. | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
I would imagine that the pin is encoded in the memory. Otherwise, anyone could read the ic memory and get the pin. | ||
| Drawkward |
Nill: I feel sorry for you if you think a little security code is going to stop someone from stealing your bike... | ||
| Spike240sx |
Not on its own. But in conjunction with the steering head locked and a very good rotor lock with alarm will do one hell of a job at deterring a thief. Not to mention that if they do manage to get it. Ill take pride in the fact that they are going to be awfully pissed when it still doesn't start after they have drilled out the Ignition lock. Its a damn good back up! Ya ya ya they will just hack it into pieces, But i feel its better than what any other manufacturer offers stock on their bikes. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Getting a new IC will solve a lot of problems before they occur. I think the Digital Tech can reset the PIN, not sure, I HAVE seen Service replace one they couldn't get into. Besides, with an 09 IC you get the gear indicator. Bonus upgrade! Loretta has an 09 IC. I miss the old display but like the gear indicator a lot. Chains and guns aren't enough if you live in a bad place. Mine live in the garage in a quiet neighborhood. Welcome to the 1125. Stay well. Zack | ||
| Bushr |
Thanks for your help Buellsters. Having a great time getting to know the bike! Sounds like the Digital Tech should be able to do this? I'll shop it out to another dealer and see what comes back. Hope new IC is not the only solution. Thanks again, I'll post with alternate dealer response. | ||
| Easylarveur |
New IC is not the solution, because the PIN code is stored both in the IC and in the ECM. If you put a brand new IC on your bike, the IC will paired itself with the ECM. That means that the odometer, the pin code and a few more information will be copied from the ECM to the IC. So you will still have a bike with an unknown pin code.... The only way to reset the pin code is at the dealership with the digital tech.... Or to change both the IC and the ECM for brand new ones at the same time and program the new ECM at the dealership. | ||
| Nillaice |
all you gotta do is make it harder to steal your bike than someone elses. secrity code or it's blinking light, locks and chains, or keep it out of sight. what ever you gotta do. \sarcasm {i feel sorry for you, for feeling sorry for me} | ||
| Drawkward |
All I'm saying is that if you think a little pin number is going to deter someone from stealing your bike over someone elses, you're delusional. That's all. The security feature on the 1125R is completely laughable. | ||
| Nillaice |
i give up. you're right, i'm wrong. Bushr, let us know how things are coming along | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Fresno, that sounds about as lame as not reading your owners manual. I know how it works. You are referring to the "always arm" mode, which is useless as well. Who wants to have to enter a PIN every fuel stop or when you stop on the side of the road to take a leak? Also, I would be wary of not being able to make a quick getaway for my security sake. My post referred to the "ask mode" which does the correct thing and asks if you want to arm, but then forces you to enter a pin. A simple Y/N (with 10 seconds to answer) would be so much more convenient. Also factor in the awkwardness of toggling the numbers and it's not worth the effort. I would think most bikes are tossed in the back of vehicles more often than hotwired so the security system on any bike is really a gimmick. the only thing it's really good for is to keep someone from riding it who has access to the key. If it makes you feel better, then I guess the gimmick works. | ||
| Bushr |
So the second attempt at a separate HD/Buell service center has failed. They also suggested they "could not" retrieve the security PIN with the digital tech and then referred me to the first HD/Buell service center I visited because they had more expertise on the Buell brand. I received a distinct feeling that the terminology "could not" might have been inappropriately substituted for the term "would not", as though this response resulted from some policy decision on Buell security systems. It seemed that there would be consequences if such service was performed, due to problem in the past? I don't know - the conversation just had this feel. I agree, it is unlikely such a thing would keep the bike from being stolen by a determined thief. Having said that, I could summarize my interest in restoring this function to the bike in two sentences: 1) I like the idea that most thieves would have to spend money to get the bike operational or chop it up into parts to make money. 2) It would restore some confidence in my local HD/Buell service centers which is being rapidly eroded by this experience. I am grateful for the feedback from all of you. And Easylarveur, thanks for the heads-up in IC/ECM, much appreciated. Ride On ... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I yanked the ECM on my track bike which sits idle in the garage. if it ever goes missing I would put Erik Buell Racing on the alert for an ECMs ordered from the area. | ||
| Lastonetherebuys |
The 1125 weighs in at around 450 full of fuel steering locked and the pin isn't gonna stop a few guys with a truck or a van from loading it up and chopping it up for pieces easy to sell stolen parts as used parts not so easy to sell a complete stolen bike | ||
| Joseb |
Might be stating the obvious here, or missing something, but is it possible that you're asking for the wrong thing? You mention several times that they cannot "recover" the code, perhaps that's accurate and the most they can do is "reset" it to the factory setting? Not trying to start anything, just a thought I had, maybe they're just not understanding what it is that you want. Best of luck, and congrats on the purchase! | ||
| Bott |
Bushr-congrats and welcome to the club. Just wondering if you had tried to email EBaR- I know they are busy, but seems they would be able to tell you if and how you or the dealer could fix it. Worth a try... | ||
| Bushr |
Joseb, no worries. Yeah, I was pretty clear on both fronts with the service guys at both HD/Buell dealerships. I asked specifically if they could either recover the value of the current PIN or reset the PIN to factory (0000). Bott, your right, great suggestion! This is worth a try, ... I'll check it out. At any rate, if nothing comes back I'm not going to lose sleep over it. It's all good when your bike is running great and is a blast to drive. | ||
| S21125r |
For what it's worth... According to the owner's manual it says "If the PIN is lost or forgotten, see a Buell dealer" Doesn't specifically state what they will do, but have to image it's something short of IC/ECM replacement. You could try guessing one of the 10,000 combinations, but you'll have to sit for 30 minutes after every 20 incorrect pins for the lockout to rest. Or you could contact the producers of NUMB3Rs and see if Charlie can develop an algorithm to guess it for you :-) | ||
| Smow |
At least in washington state you can get the address of any previous owner of a vehicle then write a letter. Most people are willing to help a person out. Checkyour DMV's website or call them for the correct form. I had to do this for an xr-250 and the guy was super helpful. The previous previous owner may know the number off hand. I'm guessing you have tried all the obvious choices 1234, 1111 ect... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
If you do start doing random codes, be sure to jot each effort down on a piece of paper. The elation you feel if you get lucky will be greatly overshadowed with frustration if you can't remember the last code you entered. It's easy to forget when you are hammering in codes over and over. | ||
| Bushr |
S21125R - dig the reference, LOL! Smow, good idea, and I have tried to contact this person unsuccessfully online. I will try the DMV approach and a formal letter as you suggested, worth a try. Bott, suggested contacting Erik Buell Racing to get the facts about this issue. The results are in and it appears that PIN codes cannot be recovered, identified, or reset with the Digital Tech (any version); however, the PIN can be reset to factory (0000) with race programming software available at Erik Buell Racing. This has the happy consequence of restoring my confidence in local HD/Buell service centers. So, without the cooperation of the original owner it looks like I'll be either doing finger-pushups on the toggle switch for over 262,000 PIN combinations (I heard from a reliable source that this is how Uma Thurman aka Beatrix Kiddo trained for the scene where she escapes the coffin after being buried alive in Kill Bill) or I make a stop in Wisconsin this summer on a road trip east. Good Times! Thanks for the helpful suggestions guys! | ||
| Bushr |
oops! I love math..., don't tell anyone! | ||
| Colintornado |
Bushr, have you tried 1125 as the pin yet ? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
1125 is a good idea. Also it may be a manageable number if you toggle to easy PINs (ie one or two clicks). From my recollection the fastest way to enter a PIN were low numbers as it equates to less clicks. I did it that way for simplicity and I would bet most people do it this way. | ||
| Nillaice |
it (well, mine) changes each time to random initial #'s my first thoughts when setting mine were: 1125, my last 4 (a 6 year stint in uncle sam's canoe club will ingrain your SSN) then 1015/1016 (oct 15/16), and the key code # Bushr, any updates? i saw a few IC's on e-bay ... | ||
| X1brett |
I also bought a used '09 1125r and can't track down the PIN. I understand that the system will lock itself after 20 incorrect tries but I wanted confirmation that it will allow me back in after 30 minutes. I wanted to be sure that 20 wrong guesses will not lock up the system indefinitely. If you have tried this, please let me know. Also, has anyone purchased the EBR race programming software mentioned above and successfully reset the PIN? Is this that software? http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/models/1125r/ programmable-ecm-software-and-cable-kit.html |
