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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Greater seat belt use and a drop in alcohol-related fatalities brought the number of U.S. highway deaths down in 2003 to 42,643, reversing four years of increases that had alarmed safety officials, regulators said on Tuesday.


While the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said the number of deaths was still way too high, the agency heavily promoted the nearly 1 percent reduction over the 2002 fatality count of 43,005, a 13-year high. Injuries dropped to 2.89 million last year from 2.93 million.

"We are headed down the right road," Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said in announcing the 2003 figure that also included a small -- but heavily touted -- drop in the death rate per vehicle miles traveled, which is a primary indicator of overall highway safety.

"We were bound and determined to reverse the trend and we have done so," said Jeffrey Runge, administrator of the highway safety agency.

But safety and consumer groups challenged the cautiously optimistic tone of transportation officials on the final 2003 highway toll, which was unexpectedly reduced by 577 from preliminary estimates this spring. Safety experts could not remember such a dramatic revision.

The final 2002 figure was also revised up by 190.

Interest groups also blunted the bright government reaction to the incremental dip in the fatality rate to a record low 1.48 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled.

One organization, consumer group Public Citizen, speculated the revised fatality figures for 2002 and 2003 and the fanfare with which the results were presented to the public smacked of election-year politics.

SUPPORT FOR SAFETY PROPOSALS

Another leading consumer voice urged the Bush administration to support a string of auto safety proposals in the long-stalled highway bill, initiatives Runge said the Transportation Department still opposes.

"Today's news may mean that there was a slight downturn in overall traffic deaths in 2003, but Americans are still being killed in record numbers on our highways," said Judith Lee Stone, president of Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety.

Nevertheless, Mineta and Runge were adamant that progress was made in 2003, especially on efforts to combat drunk driving and increase safety-belt use.

Alcohol-related fatalities declined by 2.9 percent to 17,013, the lowest since 1999.

"We credit much of this success to increased law enforcement and passage of key anti-drunk driving laws across the country," said Lynne Goughler, vice president of advocacy group, Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

Runge also reported that unbelted deaths fell by 3 percent, which closely reflects a 4 percent increase in seat belt use over 2002.

But warning signs on highway safety persist.

With the annual number of vehicle miles traveled rising to 2.88 trillion in 2003, safety experts say the death rate must be lowered sharply to have an impact on overall fatalities.

While the actual number of rollover deaths declined 3.3 percent in 2003, rollover fatalities associated with sport utility vehicles rose 6.8 percent.

Rollovers represent only a small fraction of crashes on U.S. roads but more than a quarter of all traffic deaths. Most rollover deaths occur in single-vehicle accidents.

Regulators also noted that motorcycle fatalities rose 12 percent to 3,661, and deaths involving large truck crashes went up slightly to 4,986."


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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

9 out of 10 constipated people just couldn't give a 5hit.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Go Crusty,
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about we toss 40,000 dead mangled bodies onto your house and front yard? Would you care then?

If your family were to become the next victim of a drunk driver? Would you care then?
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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nah, you keep 'em; I got enough dead bodies. Thanks anyway, though.
I don't do political on motorcycle forums, either.
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Ray_maines
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The sad thing is that most of us are OK with killing 42,000 people a year in this way.

We really don't want to hear about stricter drivers licensing requirements, mandatory ongoing drivers education programs or serious jail time for first time drunk drivers.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Crusty,
I think you chose an appropriate user name.

Ray,
Ain't it the truth. Kinda got it backwards don't we.
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Smoke
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if we got rid of all the people this would be a nice planet. no more problems, or maybe just no one to write about them. everybody dies, get a grip on reality.
tim
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M2me
Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't do political on motorcycle forums, either.

Why not, Crusty? Your no BS response to this issue was very refreshing! It was 100% accurate. People can argue whether it's morally right or wrong but it is in fact the truth. In these politically charged times we need more of that kind of no BS response. Good job!
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Richieg150
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

People who drink are going to drink.....period.People who drive are going to drive.Make the first time offense,6 months in jail,no matter who you are,or how much money you may have.......period.Im not against people drinking,or driving..........just not combining the two.If they want to drink,fine just dont drive,simple isnt it?I think Baretta said it best."Dont do the crime,if you cant do the time."
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't recall any problem getting solved through smug statement of the truth. Would be cool if someone in the press would bring that up though. Or next time some press weenie asks a question about the death toll in Iraq, the respondent might point out the murder rate in Los Angeles and the highway death toll.

I agree, we need stiffer mandatory penalties for drunk drivers.
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Kevyn
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 02:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When you lose a family member to a recognized and admitted alcoholic still driving after numerous license suspenses the whole issue will take on a different light...
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 03:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

wow finally people that make sence every one is all talking about how many peopel get killed here in i raq sice this stuff started but more peopel get killed in the us every year to drunk driving and murders and stuff so whats the difference at least the ones of us dieing here in iraq are dieing fro a cuase, not dieing cuz they just got off work and some idot decided to drive while he was f**ked up.
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Buellkowski
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This concerns me...

"Regulators also noted that motorcycle fatalities rose 12 percent to 3,661..."

Helmetless riders? Drunks? Newbies? What do you think? Watch your insurance rates go up on this news...
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Midknyte
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Helmetless riders? Drunks? Newbies?...

Torque... Mountain Dew... Pepsi...
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Bomber
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

on the rising rider deaths, interesting piec ein the latest (or recent) motorcycle consumer mag showing a very similar rise in SUVs on the road, and then a (non-proven) series of SUV vs Rider impact studies -- compelling reading -- they do not claim cause and affect, but are using the data gathered to call for a study to prove/disprove linkange between the two
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Outrider
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The MCN article on SUV vs Rider impact studies was most certainly an eye opener.

The interesting part about it for me is that I have less trouble with the SUV's on my bikes than I do my Miata. Quite simply, the Miata is so low that I am much more invisible than I am on a bike.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The MCN article on SUV vs Rider impact studies was most certainly an eye opener.

Had an @sswipe in a Lincoln Navigator just about run over me yesterday. I was in the left lane & the Lincoln was coming up alongside me when all of a sudden the car in front of him hit the brakes to turn right. That damn Lincoln swung right over at me & luckily there wasnt anyone in the oncoming lane of traffic cause I had to hit it a bit to avoid being squashed.

Needless to say there wasnt much I could do besides swear at them & flip em off. Honestly they were so self absorbed in themselves & their pile of 5hit SUV that they never saw me before or after the near miss.


BTW..about 1/2 hr later I saw another Navigator cruising around & the only person in it was the driver. He had a DVD screen up near the rearview mirror & he was watching something on it while driving down the road. Someone please loan me a rocket launcher for a day!!
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do the 1,000 who have died in Iraq bother you, whatever the hell your name is? Do the thousands of innocent civilians butchered by terrorists bother you? Do the 640,000 killed in the Civil War bother you? How about the 400,000 killed in WW-II? Do all those deaths bother you?

How do you propose we protect ourselves from war and terrorists avowed to our destruction? I'd sure like to know the answer to that question. Wouldn't want you to be "bothered" by all the brave men and women who have sacrificed their lives for all of us. So answer the question...

How do you propose we protect ourselves from war and terrorists avowed to our destruction?
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Alas the news weeinies get paid for the sensational and politically charged, and for them, our men and woman dying for freedom is the deplorable one, the murders are just things that happen in the daily lives of people we don't need to dwell on...."

THANK YOU!

How much difference would it make in our highway death toll if the NY Times and every major network news show ran and updated daily a running death toll from vehicle related accidents?

Why don't they? Follow the money. Automobile companies are HUGE advertisers in all the mainstream media.
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Ray_maines
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As is Bud
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Ld50
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SO I can't be pissed off about all of these things? Ya thats a rhetorical question. Of course the deaths bother me. Duh.
now the nearly 1000 who've died in iraq just don't seem to bother me so much. Geesh. Uh hello sarcasm.
"Or next time some press weenie asks a question about the death toll in Iraq, the respondent might point out the murder rate in Los Angeles and the highway death toll. " Uh ya that's a shallow and disingenuous attempt to distract us from the issue that there are people dying in a war many of us don't feel was necessary. No wmd's, no 9/11 connection.
"How do you propose we protect ourselves from war and terrorists avowed to our destruction?" How about working with our allies to go after the terrorists, and stop being Israels lap dog. This may involve seeking the cooperation of other nations in meaningful ways. As in perhaps troop commitments greater than those of our mercenaries. None of our soldiers should die in an unnecessary conflict.

"How much difference would it make in our highway death toll if the NY Times and every major network news show ran and updated daily a running death toll from vehicle related accidents?

Why don't they? Follow the money. Automobile companies are HUGE advertisers in all the mainstream media."
Well as long as it's alright to make those connections why don't we follow your logic a little further.
Who is in bed with the auto industry? Could it be the oil industry? Who in the executive branch is connected to the oil industry? Which country in the middle east recently invaded by the United States contains the worlds second largest oil reserves?
Ya it is entirely unreasonable for the media to report the deaths in Iraq. If they are going to report about our troops at war they should put in perspective with all the other issues. If a reckless or drunk driver kills or maims someone on th road they should be held accountable. If someone takes us into a conflict that was not the last resort they should be held accountable.
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Richieg150
Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a brother in law,that has had a dozen DWI's.In 4 states,just spent 1.5 years in jail for his last DWI,was released and had to go to classes,ect..........Has no drivers license,just got another DWI!Ive seen him so drunk,he's pissed his pants passed out!He's done this more times than I can count.Even though hes my brother in law,he needs to go away for a long-long time.Im just glad he hasnt killed somebody yet!Why hasnt something been done to him long BEFORE this?He has always been able to buy his way out.Thats the kind of mentality of those who drink,then think they have to get behind the wheel,"IM ok I can drive just fine."I dont have any evidence to support my opinion,but I'm thinking most accidents involving DRUNK DRIVERS,it isnt the first time they have driven drunk.They have make it where they had to go,in one piece,so think they can always make it!If people want to take that chances,dont whine and cry,when you get busted,or worse yet,kill someone because of your poor judgement.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"How do you propose we protect ourselves from war and terrorists avowed to our destruction?"

"How about working with our allies to go after the terrorists, and stop being Israels lap dog. This may involve seeking the cooperation of other nations in meaningful ways. As in perhaps troop commitments greater than those of our mercenaries. None of our soldiers should die in an unnecessary conflict."

So, in your mind, no other nations joined America in the war on terror??? Don't know any nations other than our enemies who are not cooperating in the war on terror. You know of any? Do tell.

Or maybe you are refering to resuming the war against Iraq? Might want to check the facts there too sparky. Lots of countries helping out in significant ways there. Britian, Italy, Poland, Australia, Japan, S. Korea, Czech Rep., the Dutch, and many, many more.

Apparently you find it unreasonable that we did not abide by the will of France, Germany and Russia instead choosing to rid the world of one of the most brutal and murderous terrorist regimes we have ever seen.

Apparently the fact that the majority of NATO joined in supporting us escapes you.

Apparently the fact that France, Germany and Russia have been implicated in widespread corruption and graft in the UN/Iraqi oil for food program does not concern you?

Did you have a problem with our actions against Somalia, Yugoslavia, or the war waged on Iraq in 1998? Yes? No?

Saddam Hussein attempted to have former president Bush murdered.

Saddam Hussein refused to cooperate, for TWELVE YEARS with UN inspectors. TWELVE YEARS!!! And you spout off about "a conflict that was not the last resort"??? News flash sparky: Who the hell are you?? The vast majority of Iraqi citizens support our invasion to rid their country of Saddam Hussein and his murderous, brutal, terrorist regime. Who the hell are you???

Auto and oil industry in bed together??? Would that be just in America or worldwide? ROFLMAO

Wake the hell up. Muslim terrorists are waging war upon us. They have been for decades now. Israel is one of our strongest and most reliable allies. They are a democratic and free nation that is suffering the terrorism and bloody jihad of islamo-fascism. You would rather support the islamists? Not me. Islam is evil.

So why don't the newspapers run tallies on highway deaths on the front page every day? Why don't the nightly network news broadcasts update and report on that tragic senseless death toll?

Did you miss the post by Firebolt above.

The deaths of our soldiers don't bother me. They humble me and cause me to endeavor to live my life in a way deserving of their sacrifice. I revere and honor their sacrifice.

In minds like yours, I fear there would never be a last resort.

Maybe you could explain to me, while Saddam Hussein had his soldiers trying to shoot down our patrol aircraft, what you need to see to give the go-ahead for waging war. When would war become the "last resort" in your mind?

How many terrorists living and training in Iraq would it take before you decided that the war on terror needed to be taken to them and their supporters? Not until France approved?
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 01:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Forget it Blake. You'll never keep up with brainwashing these people have been subjected to. America is evil, GW is an idiot and we illegally invaded Iraq and deposed their democratically elected benevolent President against the will of the entire world. It must be so, it's in all the papers.
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Crusty
Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 05:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

GW is an idiot

On that we can agree.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Quoting out of context Crusty? Typical.
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Gravedigger
Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Islam is evil." huh? Muslim extremists may have evil intentions, but I think you went a bit far by stating the entire Islamic religion is evil. We getting ready to start another "Great Crusade" ???

Why don't you put this subject back in the political thoughts forum where it belongs. This entire forum is just another jaded attempt to promote your Pro-Bush political agenda and justify his actions. Put it back where it belongs.
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