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     Ray_maines |
Why would the poor cop have to climb inside of her car to wrestle her out? She's got fingernails, teeth and a bad attitude. Scheeech... Zap-zap and she's out the door! Cool. I think the funny part is that we've been telling each other for years that a traffic cop wants you to stay in the car with you hands on the wheel and now she's getting fried for not getting out fast enough. | ||
| Bandm |
The stop was to arrest her (suspended license) not to give her a ticket. The Police do a wants and warrants check before getting out of the car to know who/what they are dealing with. The speeding, broken windshield, and light out were just icing on the cake. Your under arrest means come with me NOW, not when your done with your phone call. The only outrageous thing I see all the wailing. Should the cops have waited for her friends to get there to calm the situation, she told the person on the phone where she was. Probably wanted to wait for her friends to get there so they could drive the vehicle and not have it towed/impounded. She knew she was going to be arrested the minute she saw the flashing lights. Check out the video in my post above to see what happens when you shoot at a cop. | ||
| Bbstacker |
Can't find the video Bandm. I don't Think it's a valid excuse to say that police officers have an attitude with people because they deal with the criminal element of society all day long. Ultimately you are the one in control of your attitude. Sometimes you run across a LEO who seems to have optical rectumitis, but the fact of the matter is they are the ones in control of an arrest...or at least they should be. To not be is to put themselves and the public in undue jeopardy. As an authority figure we are supposed to give them the respect and compliance they need to do their job. But likewise in a position of authority they need to conduct themselves in a manner that gets respect. In other words, don't be a d!(k head. Repeating what I said earlier, I'm pretty sure the officer followed departmental policy and moreover B/Z to him for taking steps to ensure that he, his partner and the suspect all go home alive. (Granted when she gets out of jail) | ||
| Sardawg2dpd |
I guess we all have are opinions, and who knows if any of them will change. We can go back and forth on these issues all day long or week for that matter, and probably still have not changed our opinions. So I will end with this. I hope all of you find time to make it to Davenport, Iowa on your Buell's and jobs aside we can go riding together on machine's we all love and enjoy for most of the same reasons. At least we have the same opinion about them. I am always looking for Buellers to come in to town so we can enjoy a ride. SAR  | ||
| Court |
For what it's worth....there'll be any many opinions as viewers of that clip. I get not much more than entertainment and feel like I need to clarify that I am damn glad the police are out there...of course, I am in the city with one of the lowest per capita crime rates in the country....we just have a lot of "capitas" Court | ||
| Bandm |
Try this, http://www.compfused.com/directlink/565/ | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
I don't expect a medal every time I write software. Raraf, doubtful your job requires you to risk your life on a daily basis in the service of others. also doubtful i could call you at 3 in the morning if i heard someone scratching around outside my front door and expect you to hustle on over and do something about it. medals? almost ALL of us deserve a medal for SOMETHING. medals for cops? i bet they'd just settle for a little respect, and recognition that when they go to work each day there's the very real chance they might not come home. I have over 200 "bad experiences" with cops. I don't have to judge ... I know. They ALL have the same mental framework of wanting to abuse power and to be worshipped. One changed though. He was a jerk until a van almost killed him on his motorcycle. I can stomach his presence now. words escape me. | ||
| Raraf |
Dude, we all risk our lives every day! I have a better chance dying driving to work than a cop getting killed while on duty. Gimme a break! IT IS THEIR JOB! A window washer for sky scrapers...dangerous JOB but he chose it and he doesn't make me call him "Sir" or abuse his power. And I do get calls at 3 in the morning. IT IS JUST A JOB. Don't feed their egos. The cop who got hit on his moto. He was my pastor. He is soooo humble now. Gotta love it. (Message edited by raraf on June 11, 2005) | ||
| Awprior |
I've had my problems with the law, a few speeding tickets and now am now dealing with something a little more serious due to a severe screw up with paperwork in the state of IL. Anything against the officers that have either pulled me over for speeding etc. or cuffed myself and a few friends and have been told 'you're having a bit too much of a good time? None at all. You get a ticket, you're a little pissed. You broke the law. I get together with some long time friends after not seeing them for a long time and we get in a little trouble? Great. We were jackasses. Ya might get pissed with cops, remember, it is their job to uphold the law, whether you agree with it or not. There are always bound to be a few sour apples in the bunch, no matter what your occupation. I treat police with the same respect as those in the military, firefighters and countless others who have dedicated, and in some cases, given their lives for our overall well being. The last guy that pulled me over, 4 months ago right in front of my house and has caused the associated hastle with the state of IL and a whole wrath of crap, we now meet every Wednesday for breakfast. Am I pissed that he was the one that pulled me over and hauled my ••• downtown? Oh yeah. But he's a good guy. I did something dumb, he kept me in check. If I'm in trouble, I guarantee he's the first one that will be knocking on my door. Alex | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
I have a better chance dying driving to work than a cop getting killed while on duty. is this assertion based on opinion or scientific fact? Gimme a break! IT IS THEIR JOB! agreed. a job that reqires them to put themselves in harm's way, every day, to protect you and me from the "bad" guys. don't hear of too many window washers being shot while hanging from the side of a building, and i don't think they leave home in the morning wearing Kevlar vests. ...he doesn't make me call him "Sir" or abuse his power. i'm not for abuse of power from ANYONE, cop or otherwise. it would seem on this issue we agree. i call a LOT of people sir or ma'am, or bud or dude, out of a sense of respect i suppose. if i met a window washer who impressed me as a human being i bet sir or ma'am, depending on their gender, would come outta my mouth just as natural as can be. i don't know for a fact that calling a male cop "sir" or a female cop "ma'am" gets one anywhere, and i doubt that a cop would suggest that it is "required" protocol, but the times i've had close encounters the little extra effort on my part to give such respect never seemed to hurt, and afterwards i didn't feel like i had "sucked up" in any way to do so. And I do get calls at 3 in the morning. IT IS JUST A JOB. if i called you at 3 in the morning, afraid for my life because someone was trying to break into my house, would you be willing to hurry here and potentially risk your life to save mine, the life of a total stranger? Don't feed their egos. i don't perceive that i am. i don't believe that all cops are "good" cops, if that's what you're driving at. i DO believe that MOST cops are good cops, and i recognize the dangers they face from people who would take their life without batting an eye, and i appreciate the job that they do. you call it feeding egos, i call it respect. perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. when the California Highway Patrol or a Kern County Sheriff cruises down the main boulevard here in town, i derive comfort from their presence. call that mindset what you will, but it's the truth at least as as i see it. i admit i'm having a hard time seeing the truth as YOU see it, but i'm honest when i say i'm willing to try. The cop who got hit on his moto. He was my pastor. He is soooo humble now. Gotta love it. words, again, escape me. | ||
| Ray_maines |
BTW: You don't call a policeman at 3 in the morning (or any other time for that matter), you call the police department and the policeman who is on duty at three in the morning answers the phone. That's different than calling some individual officer at home and asking him to get up, get dressed and come over to see what's going on. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
sorry Ray, but i entirely miss your point. | ||
| M2me |
I think this illustrates what cell phone use has done to many people. Bad driving, bad manners, bad overall citizenship. To many people today their only reality is their current cell phone conversation. When you are driving or interacting with the police or interacting with a cashier at a store or having lunch with friends, hang up the cell phone for a minute or two! Unfortuantely a lot of people simply refuse to do that and in this situation the woman got tasered. Oh well, maybe next time she'll put the cell phone down and cooperate with the police. | ||
| Jon |
I think honorable people can disagree here. I do think that being fat is wrong...but I digress... What really frosts me is when people talk about not "getting" my nuclear blue rims.... And I'm like, "What?" Because that's when I go off...that's when I come totally unhinged!! Bike!! | ||
| Bigblock |
Man, Nuclear Blue rocks! | ||
| Bbstacker |
Wow! A heated debate touched off by a video of a controversial use of force. Who'd of thunk it? While I generally agree that people who refuse to unstick their heads from a cell phone and participate in reality for a moment can be rather irksome, the tazing wasn't over cell phone use. It was about the safety of the officer. Even the most of harmless appearing people can do a lot of damage in a short time when cornered or confronted in a confined space. When you climb into a car to grapple with a suspect, $h!t can go south on you really fast. | ||
| Ray_maines |
Jerry: My only point in the above post is that it has been made to seem like a really BIG deal that you can call a policeman at three in the morning, and I guess I entirely miss the point of that. Lots of people work for companies that stay open 24-7. I've never considered the clerk at a convince store to be any sort of a hero just because he's there in the middle of the night and I suspect you don't either. We're both glad he's there when we need something at three in the morning but it's just a part of the guys job, it's not actually heroic. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Ray, to me it is a VERY BIG DEAL that i can call someone at 3 in the morning and ask them to potentially risk their life to potentially save mine. doubtful that you, or Raraf, or the window washer, or the clerk at the 24/7 convenience store would provide such a service if i called. wouldn't you agree? if a cop (or firefighter or serviceman or woman) risks their life in defense of civilian's life, EVEN IF THEY'RE GETTING PAID TO DO SO, does not their service constitute heroism? at the very least, doesn't it entitle them to a little respect? | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
I can't stop laughing! That video was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. That biotch got exactly what she deserved. He used the appropriate amount of force until she was compliant. I know much about escalation of force and his stop was textbook. There was no shortage of warnings for her. Her lack of respect for the law is typical of the ghetto trash she obviously is... | ||
| Sardawg2dpd |
Gimme a break! IT IS THEIR JOB! You're right it is my job, and I do my job with the utmost respect for people and the love and passion I have for it. I guess what kills me is the fact that people sit and critic us for what we do and have never done it them selfs. I don't critic how a program should have been written, or how to weld metal, or build houses or wash windows because it is not my job and I know nothing about it. We unfortunately get a very bad wrap for the bad apples that are out there. But when you have someone that is not a bad apple and doesn't demand to be called "sir" and gets the complete story of what happened in that video and says the officer was completely justified. It sadens me to know that there are people out there who would think I am a good person if they just met me on my bike and then later found out I was cop and they would change there opion. Speaking for myself and not othere LEO's I appreciate the defense and kind comments from everyone. It is nice to know some people actually do care and respect the job we do everyday. I guess you have a different outlook on things when you have been in my shoes and have been shot at a few times and actually shot back and hit someone. belive me I was not glad that I got to shoot someone was just glad I went home that night. and what about the family of the inocent driver that got killed when I attempted to stop a subject for not have a current plate? I did not pursue him when I saw he was not going to stop I shut my lights off and pulled over to the side of the road. Bad guy continued at a high rate of speed blowing a stop sign and killing a completley inocent person. The family didn't even question if I did write or wrong. They me with me after the fact and actually thanked me for doing my job. I asked them if they wanted to see my sqyad tape to make sure I did everything like I said and they did not the siad "We can just tell by speaking with you, that you did what you said." the very next day I recieved a flower arrangment from them again thanking me for my job. OK, I told myself I wasn't going to post on this thread anymore but couldn't resist this last one. I again thank those of you for for comments. And again hope some of you make it to Iowa so we can ride. SAR | ||
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| Prez |
god..couldnt even watch the whole thing...that chick shoulda known better...her crying and boo hoo hooing drove me so nuts i had to stop it..lol.. now that's what not to do when stopped by a cop boys and girls...hahahahaah  | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
I bet she's more cordial next time... | ||
| Brucelee |
No reason a LEO should get a SCRATCH dealing with a turd like this. The officer was polite and clear. She was an idiot and likely still is! What part of "get out of the car" did she not understand? More of this might actually avoid the tragic LEO deaths that we read about all the time. | ||
| Blake |
Michael Jackson probably would have gotten out of the car right away. | ||
| Blake |
Raraf, If you have indeed had over 200 bad experiences with police officers, I strongly council that you do whatever is necessary to remove yourself from whatever behavior, crowd, people, associates or situation it is that puts you in such circumstances so ridiculously often. Anyone who's job description entails confronting violent criminals on my behalf will ALWAYS get my utmost respect. You seem to have some kind of ego problem. Would you address our President as "sir"? Doing so is not some cowering act of submission as you seem to think. It is a simple show of respect. And you know what?... Most often in the vast vast majority of cases, police officers will return that very same respect. | ||
| Chasespeed |
LEO's, Active duty military, and firfighters FLOE's etc... THEY/WE DO NOT GET PAID TO RISK OUR LIVES!.... As active duty, yes in some instances, we get paid an incentive pay for particularly hazardous jobs/regions.... big deal, that is not our primary job.... and its not even a job...it carries with it responsibilty to something high and greater than oneself etc.... If put into the position to risk my life for anothers, gladly... then again, most of us who have been in the sh*&, know it jsut happens.... anyway.... Police officers dont get paid to risk their lives.. They are paid, to UPHOLD THE LAW, hence, law enforcement officer... Are they put into harms way? YES. The difference between them getting killed on duty, and you getting killed on your way to work... You are going to work to pay your bills etc... you accept the risk..... The police officer, isnt doing it to pay his bills.. he is doing it out of a sense of duty, or someother personall gratification...some people get an elated feelign helping others.... As for paying his bills, the LT or CAPT sitting behind the desk in the precinct, make alot more than the "beat cop"... We can all be morons from time to time... BUT you dont have to kiss •••, jsut show courtesy and respect, and do what you are asked/told... no problem..FOR THE MOST PART, there are always those that will giev you crap just becuase... Anyway, sorry for the long post, so I will make my point.... Yes, I am active, if I get toasted tomorrow "doing my job", is anyone gonan know wy/how, or even care...most likely not.. I accept that and I am comfortable with it... I live in a town where it is stupid to go anywhere in uniform.. you will be jumped.... I feel the same goes for police, and any other civil servants... Most people dont care that these men/women have families, hell most dont think about it... and those that do, do show courtesy and respect, for the obvious reasons...these jobs are HARD on families, marraiges etc... I think they deserve our respect, at least initially, untill proven they dont deserve it.... Make any sense...(sorry, been in the sun all day in a motorcycle safety course, I think I fried my brain).... Chase | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Chase, i agree that you don't get paid to risk your life, per se, but your job DOES put your life at risk at times, often for the sake of protecting someone you don't even know, and my point to Raraf and Ray above is that i appreciate that service, and respect those who provide it. thanks for what you do. Ferris | ||
| Rubdoggy |
now that's funny! i don't care who you are. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Whats funny? What did I miss(alot obviously)....? Chase |
