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Road_thing
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:54 pm: | 
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I like it. But then, I've liked Triumphs for a long, long time!
rt |
Tucsonxb9s
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 06:13 pm: |
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Taken from a future owner off a Triumph forum:
OK, I got a brochure for the new Triple when I placed my order:
Specs as follows:
Engine Capacity: 1050cc
Bore/Stroke: 79 x 71.4
Wheels: F:5-Spoke 17x3.5 R: 5-Spoke 17x5.5
Tyres: F:120/70 ZR17 R: 180/55 ZR17
Suspension:
F: 45mm USD Forks, Dual rate springs, adjustable preload, compression and rebound
R: Monoshock, adjustable preload, rebound, damping
Brakes:
F: Twin 320mm floating disks, 4 piston radial callipers,
R: Single 200mm disk, 2 piston calipers
Length: 2165mm (83.3in)
Width: 780mm (30.7in)
Height: 1250mm (49.2in)
Seat height: 815mm (32.1in)
Wheelbase: 1429mm (56.2in)
Rake/Trail: 23.5deg/84mm
Weight (Dry): 189kg (416lbs)
Fuel capacity: 18liters (4.7USG)
Max Power: 130PS (128bhp) at 9100rpm
Max Torque: 105Nm (78/lbf) at 5100rpm
That'll do nicely
That'll do nicely indeed! |
Tbs_stunta
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 06:32 pm: |
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>>If they keep the pricing close to where the '04's are at ($8890...retail), they are going to KILL with this new triple!
Its a grand more. |
Tucsonxb9s
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:38 pm: |
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Close enough...$500 or so less than an XB12S! |
Budo
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:19 pm: |
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I thought msrp on the XB12 was $10,999. Am I mistaken? Apples and oranges. A guy who wants a Buell is not likely to be intersted in a S3, and visa verse. V-twin vs I3. |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:26 pm: |
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I think the Speed triple compares very favorably with the Buells. They both pull from similar demographics, but are indeed different. The 3 cylinder motor sounds real sweet as does the V-twin. Other than some obsession with brand allegiance I dont see any reason why a Buell or Triumph prospective owner wouldnt consider the other brand. |
Henrik
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:52 pm: |
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Very! cool picture r.t.
Henrik |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 06:31 am: |
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Last weeks MCN pitched a new Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade, Ducati 999 Biposto and Triumph 955i Daytona against the track in there 'From Dawn Till Dusk' feature. The challenge facing these three brand new bikes, to ride them flat out all day.
The Blade started off the test with 581 miles on the clock. The Triumph was 'run-in' at a suitable pace for 400 miles. The Ducati, they didn't say.
The Ducati started off poor. From 6.50 am, routine fuel stop, it's noticed the bike has oil on several parts. It's cleaned and sent out again. This sets a pattern until about 6 pm. Turns out the bike was over filled with oil resulting in pressurised crankcases. By 6 pm the level is just above the high level mark in the sight window and there's little sign of oil mist on the bike. She's sent out again only to be pulling stronger than ever. 9.01 pm big grins all round. The 999 done good.
The Blade manages relentless pace and acceleration for 1616 miles, using 350 litres of fuel and 1 of Castrol semi-synthetic oil, one set of front brake pads and three rear tyres. Finishing the test strong still pulling 185 mph.
The Daytona, after 852 miles, coasts to a stop at 2.03 pm.
All motors are stripped down for evaluation by leading experts. John Hackett of JH Performance strips the Ducati. Frank Wrathall of FW Developments strips the Honda and Triumph.
All the exhaust valves on the Honda are bent. New valves, guides, and a re-cut required.
The Triumph is not so lucky. It's damaged that badly on the middle cylinder they can't determine the cause of failure. All four valves on the middle cylinder have bent beyond belief, smashing the piston and the cylinder head. The cylinder head is that bad it needs replacement.
Of the Ducati John Hackett said, "just by draining the oil I knew all was well. There was no metal debri at all. The valve clearances hadn't moved either. The valves were sealing 100 per cent and measured up perfectly. Rings and pistons were fine too. The oil problem was just pressurised crankcases and over filling with oil."
This was a standard 999 straight out of the showroom with no additional preperation.
Those Italians are good!
Rocket |
Glitch
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 08:56 am: |
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Glitch
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 09:05 am: |
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If you're going to claim it is a Buell wannabe...
I've been around long enough to know about streetfighters. I know that for some this is a new concept, introduced to them by Buell. I've never said any one has stolen anything from Buell. I will however say that if it weren't for Buell breaking the ice here in the US, streetfighter styling wouldn't be here as much as it is. The only other production bike I can think of that looks like a streetfighter, is the Speed Triple, so to me they're building on their past success with this bike. I just don't care for the trend of putting the exhaust under the seat. On this bike it just doesn't flow, kind of an after thought. Or maybe it looked killer in proto-type, but the looks of it died when they had to make it pass noise and air pollution emissions. Hell I don't know... |
Black_sunshine
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 09:19 am: |
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Glitch.....photoshop master...my favorite is the fly screen with the belly exhaust. The single sided swing arm is killer. That would look good in my garage parked next the 9S. |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 09:58 am: |
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Thanks, Henrik.
Good-looking devil, wasn't I?
rt |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 10:04 am: |
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well, you are half right ;-} |
Budo
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 10:28 am: |
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I thought the Triumphs were overbuild. Sorry to hear that the Daytona was so badly damaged. No ordinary consumer would be able to run a bike like they did in the test but the results are telling. |
Henrik
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 10:34 am: |
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Bomber got it right 
Henrik |
Tucsonxb9s
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 11:19 am: |
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Budo, the MSRP for the XB12 is now $10,495 and the City cross is $8695. I agree with Dyna that other than brand loyalty that the XB12S and Triple are very comparable. There are some very trick things going on with each bike and I think each has their own merits. It'll be interesting to see what the press will do with a comparison test. |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 11:50 am: |
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Man, I sure like the tuber-styling. Box frames & fairings hide too many of the goodies. |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:04 pm: |
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Bomber (& Henrik): Which half?? |
Johncr250
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 01:23 pm: |
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The new triple looks incedible!
And they are fast! |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 05:28 pm: |
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dealer's choice, Thang! |
Paulinoz
| | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 07:37 pm: |
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RT Did'nt realise they made motorcyles back then or is it just more Photo Shop magic. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:39 am: |
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Glitch, you're probably right about the Buell introducing Streetfighter's to many Americans, but don't forget the Monster came first nearly everywhere in the motorcycling world. Of course, I fancied the 900 Monster when it first came out, but it was bloody expensive so I took a 600 for a spin instead. One of my old two stroke GT or RD 250's would have seen it off. It's also a tiny bike in 600cc, and I was fatter then so I looked like I had a skateboard rammed up my arse!
Then came the proper, the real, the true Streetfighter. The S1 Buell. Am I glad I own one. No that's not a question, though it might have been a couple of years ago 
This weeks MCN has several letters in reference to last weeks 'Dawn Till Dusk' shootout. Triumph riders writing in about the problems with their bikes.
This weeks copy has a test on the 'City X' too. Well rated around the streets of London it seems.
Rocket |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:41 am: |
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rt, I missed that pic yesterday.
What a pair of handsome devils!
Rocket |
Glitch
| | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:54 am: |
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Yeah the Monster.
But to me that's kind of a naked standard.
Check out the Bike Night @ the Vortex thread, extra nice S1.
Ann is tired of S1 talk, I'll have one, just can't say when.
I looked like I had a skateboard rammed up my arse!
Now that's a mental picture I could have done without! |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 09:33 am: |
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Gracias, Rocket, you're a fine judge of men and machines!
I have to agree about the Monster. I owned an M900 for a year or so, concurrent with my S1, and I found the two bikes to be very similar. The M900 had a stronger rush at the top end and a plusher ride, but the S1 has the torque off idle and a mechanical presence that the Duke lacked.
Bottom line: I sold the Duke. I've still got the S1.
rt |
Budo
| | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:46 am: |
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Hey Rocket, good to see a post from you. Whatever happened to your Buell? |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 04:16 am: |
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The Buell is in good hands now Buddo. My own! Mechanically speaking of course.
Just got news yesterday, my very badly damaged AAC cylinder is finally repaired. As if that wasn't enough good news, the price, a tad over £150. All I need to source now is a forged Wiseco piston kit, and that's it.
I'm one who likes to source all the required parts needed before I put some things together. The Buell, and in truth partly through idleness, and it has to be said, temptation from other fine machinery, had become one of those things. Getting the S&S crank rebuilt this year, and sourcing new crankcases, thanks to the long winded legal settlement thing, was the definitive point of my new found Buell hope.
It's not that I'd gone off my Buell, but I had gone off the Buell as my bike. I still dug everything about it, except the rod gaping out of the case - which really pizzed me off. The whole issue turned into a nightmare the very day after it happened, and I had a strong feeling the dealer was going to fcuk me off even before I called. The nightmare had begun. I just wasn't expecting it to be within a matter of hours after that fateful Sunday, but to hear all those words spouted in such a polite manner when simply two words would have done was enough to put me off anything Harley for a long time. So bad did the (lack of) negotiations get, I was actually asked by the top brass himself of HD - Buell UK, whom I'd hunted down with a vengeance, if I wanted to do his job for him. I of course told him 'yes' and let him know in no uncertain terms I effing well would do it better than he too. He knows who he is! To me that's the biggest disgrace of all. I'd expect the mother company to have put pressure on the dealer, and lots of it, seeing as how they're being represented by the dam dealer, but it never happened. I had one guy at HD - Buell UK, whom I'd met at one or two of the big shows, offer me some sympathy. The guy's fairly high up the chain and he leaned on the dealer a little on my behalf. I won't name him. That helped greatly for awhile, until the dealer changed managers once again. You can imagine after many many months of same old same old, I dreamed a million dreams about selling the dam Buell and buying something else. Fortunately I had left the Buell in a friends shop window for a year or more so I didn't at least have to look at it every day. That helped I can tell you.
The biggest mistake I made wasn't insulting the top dog at HD - Buell UK. Nor was it offering to meet up with the offending dealers manager discreetly in a couple of years time. Yes he crapped his pants at that one, and things moved for awhile. And nope I didn't feel good about that move either, but needs must when the devil rides. Sending the Buell to Holland for repair was a pretty bad move to as it turned out. Thank god I was wise enough to reverse that stupid mistake. Nope, my biggest mistake by a country mile was not contacting my solicitor sooner. After more than 18 months of fcuking around with my head down so many different avenues, not being able to touch a dam thing on the Buell for legal reasons and all that, my most brilliant solicitor sat with me for three hours and went through every last detail with me. He wrote a blinding letter soon after to the dealers solicitors, whom were now by the dealers own doing my only line of communication in the matter. Top top boys in the north of England it turns out these guys are, so we were up against it so to speak, which is why they probably tried force my hand thinking they might scare me off. And you know what, that one dam letter had the deal settled in writing within a month. I suggested at my solicitors say so, an offer I thought was the very least I could accept, hence it was I receive a paltry set of brand new cases with my original engine number stamped in them, as full and final settlement. I use the word 'paltry' lightly, as I couldn't have been happier after all the siht I'd been through - over a freekin motorbike fer chrisakes. My solicitor has never charged me a single penny for his efforts. How nice is that.
There was a final chapter in these rich events of man sihtting on fellow man. It happened when I brought up the 'circlip' thread right here on BadWeB just a few months back. I'd recently shook the hand and shot the breeze with the man that rebuilt my top end that last time at the dealers, when I returned there to collect MY new crankcases. Why not, he's only human after all, and more importantly we all make mistakes. And anyway, the small matter of my broken motor was firmly in my hands for the first time and I had some building blocks to start with at long last. Then, after that circlip thread, the cheeky so and so e-mailed me like he'd just popped out of the woodwork from reading BadWeB without me or you ever knowing, and dared to ask me what I thought the failure of my motor was caused from, and asking in a manner that suggested ALL engines have a weak point and what was my engine's? I politely (seriously now) replied and told him it was his fault for using to narrow a wire gauge circlips when he'd reinstalled the pistons. I was, to say the least, staggered when the guy e-mailed me back with the most ridiculous diatribe ever, suggesting most all the work the shop had done for me, I'd sponged, and how ungrateful I was after all they'd done for me. I don't think this jerk, because that's what he'd become, knows what 12 large looks like, as that's how much I'd greased the dealers palms with in all the time I was spending there. Anyway, nuff said, he wouldn't admit to his mistake, which makes him a pretty siht technician in my book, no matter how good he might well have been at wielding spanners. Suffice to say, the jerk in question doesn't work for the dealer any longer either. Doesn't work for any HD - Buell dealer I'm told, and that has to be a good thing for every Buell owner.
In this finely woven and very long tapestry, there are many good things I've taken from this whole experience. Don't get me wrong though. This frame of mind has not come easy, more hard worked, but time as they say is a great healer. In this case the healing process has turned me back on to my Buell, though I'm in no desperate hurry to rush things if that makes sense. I've had to work my spanners to the core of my motor, which was wonderful when I finally got around to it, having removed it from the frame first also. I've met a retired gentleman not two miles away from me who can do things in his garden shed we'd never dream of, like rebuilding an S&S crank for starters. I've found a company in the UK that can rebuild and repair broken and unobtanium cylinders. Yes there are some genuine nice people working for HD - Buell UK. I've talked, and met, some of them. Just a shame it doesn't apply to all. Half the problem I reckon is that some working for them is more about their own career and not the product. Ah well, so what. They're entitled. I've learned, at times, to be more philosophical. Yeah, I've met some nice people along the way. Fell out with a dam sight more too.
As the witching hour for rebuilding approaches I have in fact this past few months collected some 'objects de art' to enhance the big Buell when the times right for her reappearance. Once again she will be one of 'THE' best S1W's on the planet and she will turn her wheels in anger on the two lane black tops of England, and probably Europe somewhere too, and I shall once again be her pirate pilot. The BadWeB will get to hear about it soon enough. That much I promise.
Rocket |
Glitch
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 10:12 pm: |
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The BadWeB will get to hear about it soon enough. |
Bluzm2
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 02:36 pm: |
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Most excellent rant Rocket!
You do have a way with prose...
Keep up updated on your progress.
Brad |
X1glider
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 02:57 pm: |
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Amen! Seems as though you'll get your S1 back together before my FXDX.
BTW, have I suggested that you never buy anything made by Andrews? |
Tucsonxb9s
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 03:33 pm: |
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http://www.triumph.co.uk/uk/788.aspx
Seems they've updated the Triumph corporate site. Almost a play off the "different in every sense" tag line too. Here's a couple of pics for the blue and yellow.
 
Rocket...just spotted these on Ebay...are they what you're looking for? Good luck!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=35572&item=2489716128&rd=1
(Message edited by blake on September 13, 2004) |
X1glider
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 04:37 pm: |
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Amazing how those are the same colors Buell is offering this season as well. |
Ray_maines
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 06:53 pm: |
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It's not like Buell was the first company in the whole world to offer a bike in blue and yellow.
I kind of like the stubby mufflers but I'm still not sure about the rear end. Even Ducati didn't get the rear end perfect on the Monster and Buell and Triumph didn't do it any better. Might be better "in the flesh" though.
I like the long stroke motor that develops more power at slightly lower RPM's. It looks like the two goofy looking oversized headlights have been downsized a bit, and the suspension promises to be better than on the current models. That's two more good things. If Triumph were going to copy Buell's lead, why didn't they put some sort of a good looking bug screen over those nasty headlights?
Sometimes it's better to be different, even if not better, than to be to conservative. I'll give both Buell and Triumph high marks for distancing themselves from the Japanese clone bikes. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 07:46 pm: |
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Sometimes it's better to be different, even if not better, than to be to conservative. I'll give both Buell and Triumph high marks for distancing themselves from the Japanese clone bikes.
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Rocketman
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 08:46 pm: |
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Thanks dudes.......
and yes they are the piston(s) I need Brian. How thoughtful of you. Special thanks, to you also Blake for editing the link.
Do you guys know how much out goings I've got this month!!! That's why I'm not looking at Ebay. Now look what you gone'n'dun
Rocket |
Glitch
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 10:21 pm: |
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"Go your own way"
Now I ain't sayin' they ripped off Buell or nuthin'.
Did ya notice the seat and tail plastic looks like a cross between the XBR and XBS?
That's what I've been thinkin' all along, only thing holdin' me back is the subframe for the XBR plastic that's been donated. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 10:37 pm: |
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I only put a character space between the two pics to keep the page from going over-width. You nailed the links fine yourself. Am anxious to see and hear about the S1W Reincarnated. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 05:35 am: |
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You are Blake? Yeah, me too!
I can promise you it will be good. Some slight modifications to the bolt on parts is probably all for now that will be obvious, but she'll be a phoenix from the flames soon enough.
Rocket |
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