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Seeeu911
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 08:50 pm: | 
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Reepicheep, in that situation some riders were making bad choices and causing normal legit riders a whole heap of bad trouble. I don’t support cop hassling sportbikers, but its ok to get the few that cause so much bad hardship for the rest of us. One guy caught up innocently in the group harassment Curtyd so bravely tried to halt was just some guy who restored a sweet Norton, rode it up to bike night..pulled into the lot, still moving and lifted his visor. said cops all over him. turned out white boy in Dockers.. had no cycle endorsement and his just restored bike had outdated tags. he was cuffed and hauled away with the most incredible WTF look on his face. I could imagine the call he had to make to his wife that night.
So if you do bad things that cause the rest of us manor major grief..yes you deserve to be hassled.
can I also tell you about the fhp trooper in a camaro who chased me, i did not know..for 5 miles on a back road before i noticed him, who when i apologized profusely...was laughing at me cause he could tell from the major weave across the road i did when i finally heard his siren/lights... gave me no ticket ! who I helped to buy a firebolt later ? so, some are ok. some are not. |
Seeeu911
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 08:54 pm: |
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Dougnut.. in all fairness he seemed that way to me and others but you never know...i just felt the crowd acting in concert in support of the bikers and thought it was great. |
Doughnut
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 09:07 pm: |
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No prob. If the cop was being a dick, he needed to be put down a notch. I have had bad times with police that were badge heavy. I just did not understand that the offcer was being a bi^ch.
I may also simply be over sensitive on the subject. When people find out that I am trying to become a police officer often the first thing I hear is their horror story about how they were victimized by the police.
I pray that I can keep my personable personality. The world need more good cops. |
Curtyd
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 09:21 pm: |
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Good Cop/Bad Cop, they're all playing for the same team, they just draw straws each nite to see which role they're going to play. Actually some can't even play the good cop role, even when they try. |
Dasxb9s
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 11:57 pm: |
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All Jews are cheap
All Indians are alcoholics
All blacks are criminals
All whites are rednecks
All middle easterners are terrorists
All Priests are sexual predators
All Harley rider are 1%ers
All sport bike riders are squids
Everyone living in a trailer court are white trash
All men in San Francisco are gay
All women construction workers are lesbians
All male day care workers are child molesters
All union officials are mob members
All nonunion members are scabs
All homeless people are panhandlers, mentally ill and/or trouble makers
Everyone with tattoos has been in prison
All lawyers are leaches
All rich people are self centered
All poor people are stupid
All country western singers are hicks
All southerners are stupid and uneducated
All New Yorkers are a**holes
All rappers are gang members
All 7 Eleven stores are owned my people from India and Pakistan
All doctors are rich
All government employees are lazy
All mechanics are crooked
All little towns are speed traps
All Mexican in the US are illegals
Everyone who drinks are drunks
All hooters girls are whores
All straight "A" students are nerds
All Jamaican are drug dealers
All Irish are ill tempered and want to fight
All politicians are liars
Everyone from Texas is a cowboy
Everyone who goes to casinos have gambling problems
If you are not (fill in any religion) you are going to hell
All pit bulls are attack dogs
All truck drivers use speed and drive carelessly
All goths are satan worshipers
All French are cowards
All orientals are martial arts experts
All Polish are morons
All cops are on a power trip
There is no limit to this list!
I have met many people but I have never met "all" or "everyone" of any particular classification or group. So I could never form conclusions about everyone of anything. I have met some that would individually fit each of the above I have listed. But it saddens me to think some minds are so closed, some opinions are so pre-judging about every single one of a classification, that they form such a rigid opinion about a "group" of people. But that sadly is human nature, which such opinions know no limitations amongst any group or race upon this planet.
This thread of a guy asking for advice on a simple mistake of putting the wrong sticker on the wrong plate has turned into a misjustice of humanity. Be they sport bike riders, homeless, DWB, cops, whatever... it is sad!
Hate me for me. If you must hate, hate the person for what that individual has done. Don't hate me for what I do, how I worship, my ethnic origin, my social status, etc, etc, etc! Life is too short for stuff like this! |
Dasxb9s
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 12:37 am: |
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Let's put this thread to rest.
Cyclonemick had his question answered so he can choose which way to solve his problem.
We all have our opinions about the collateral issues posted here, and one will not change the others opinion. Each of us has the right to hold our opinions, and I respect that right of each.
Good night gentlemen (and ladies) I hope to see you all in different threads. It's probably time to let this one archive.
edited by dasxb9s on May 27, 2004 |
Curtyd
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 05:31 am: |
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Cops are NOT per se members of a protected class, i.e. race, religion, sex or ethnic origins. They are in fact charged with protecting those classes. It's not exactly working out that way in practice. LEOs need to realize they are alienating themselves from the rest of the society because of the common experience of the rest of it's members, who have many times been abused by their power. Don't ever ask me to feel sorry for cops when they are the ones with the GUN, TASER, BILLY CLUB, etc. and the power to use and , apparently, frequently abuse it. I think a LEO who can't even read about this common experience is the one with the dangerously closed mind. IMHO.
edited by CurtyD on May 27, 2004 |
Seeeu911
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 06:40 am: |
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Dasxb9s ..first you post crap..this is not about "all".. as was clearly stated then you try to run away and hide from your trash talking with some high and mighty moral tone..get a grip dude... and since when is the time honored practice of thread hijacking verboten ? |
Curtyd
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 07:27 am: |
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Move along, MOOVE ALONG, BREAK IT UP, I said....
"I hope to see you all in different threads. It's probably time to let this one archive."
Yes, Officer...
That's it in a nutshell, really. The false assumption that they always know what's best and always must be right. LEOs are trained that way in their schools, kind of like MDs are trained that they are the closest things to GOD on earth, because the power of life and death rests in their scalpel holding hands.
It's a little known fact that they nearly always presume they are correct when interrogating a criminal suspect, they only interrogate those they are sure are guilty by using certain "key indicators" like body language, nervousness, speech abnormalities, etc., and that assumption has tested to be accurate at the most 55 to 60% of the time. Heck, a flip of the coin is 50%.
This is the inherent flaw of our criminal justice system. It does not result in scientifically provable right answers. Fundamental to the scientific disciplines is that an investigator go and try to disprove repeatedly his hypothesis or theory. Only when that is done is the theory considered provable. When a scientist repeatedly tries to prove his theory, his results routinely produce the "false positive", it's true, ask them. But criminal investigations do just that, the investigator is always just trying to prove his theory. Very seldom if ever is he trying to disprove it.
Voila, the false positive, innocent persons convicted of crimes. |
Ftd
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 07:52 am: |
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Don & Donn,
I haven't been making it out to S&S too often lately but I'll be there tonight. Look for my Bourget.
Frank |
Dasxb9s
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 10:25 am: |
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Hey Seeeu911,
come out and play.
Come post at the
"ALL (blank) are (blank) let's generalize!" thread.
But please follow the rules of posting!
Thanks! |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 12:37 pm: |
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Curt,
Suggest you stifle immediately wrt the police issue. I've had nothing but respectful and often good experiences with our nation's law enforcement. You should try walking a mile in their shoes. The crap you are spouting is just that, crap. How many policemen die in the line of duty every year? No need to answer, just shut the hell up. If you want to bash policemen please do it somewhere else than BadWeB. I'm serious. How would you like it if we started posting all the crap we could dig up about sleazy scumbag attorneys? |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 01:25 pm: |
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I know, I know....I always quote a line from a song:
quote:If I had closed my mouth and opened my eyes
Listening, tolerance and understanding seemed to have gradually eroded in the days of instant communications.
Another favorite off one of my faded black NPR radio t-shirts....
quote:Just Listen, You'll See
Okay, I am a hopeless music fanatic. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 01:58 pm: |
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I've always treated officers w/ respect. That has paid off with officers giving me lots of breaks. I got a ticket for crossing a double yellow once, but it was accompanied by an !85! mph break on the speed (yes, I was doing 85 over the speed limit).
I had an officer tell me once that he was having too much fun catching me (I was in my truck) to give me a ticket.
I had an officer give me kudos for my style while power sliding my truck around the outside of a Porch 911.
Officers are cool up until the point they detect contempt. After that... Well, you shouldn't HAVE contempt of Cop. They're just doing their jobs.
I met one bad cop in my life... He was a sniper in Viet-Nam and had his partner sniped out of a chopper sitting right next to him. He was a bit of a jerk to kids on dirt bikes. Here's the thing though... I grew up in Alaska and there's NO FREAKIN WAY a cop can catch a kid on a dirt bike if the kid doesn't want to be caught. He was probably just frustrated by not being able to catch anyone so I forgave him later on.
I got stopped four times in six months by the same officer when I moved to AZ for not having my truck registered in AZ. I never once thought he was harassing me. He was doing his job and I wave at him when I see him now.
Defense Aty's though... You'll actually TRY to keep criminals out of jail??? I'm not saying all are bad or anything, but money is money to a lot of people. Anyway, there's room for corruption everywhere. I'm not trying to poke at YOU specifically Curt, but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 03:13 pm: |
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Lets keep this in perspective, especially Since LEO's are probably reading this thread... I have a friend who is an alchoholic in a death sprial. Just got his 3rd DUI within a 5 month period.
If I knew when and where he was when he was about to drive drunk, I would do WHATEVER it took to keep him from driving, even if it landed me in jail for assault or cimininal damaging.
It is only a matter of time before he kills himself, and I can only pray that he does not kill anyone else at the same time. I have only *one* hope at this point that he might live to see his daughters 5th birthday. It's that that some cop does his/her job and busts him again, and some judge does his/her job and puts him in jail so he can't drive. Myself and other friends have tried every intervention short of that, and it has not worked.
So if I get hassled by a cop in a zero tolerance setup, or a DUI checkpoint, I can be simultaneously aware that it is annoyingly invasive, and very relieved that it is being done, if it solves a problem for me (keeping an innocent from getting killed by a drunk / terrorist / drug addict / etc).
I give full respect and support to police, and expect the same from them. I have yet to not get it, though it could happen.
Thanks to the cops that busted this guy each time. Keep up the good work, even if it means minor hassles / expenses for me as well. It's a net gain.
As for the lawyer and judge buddy pair that got my friend off from his second DUI (number two within a two month period) with a slap on the wrist and no additional jail time... You sirs... can go to hell.
Sorry for the emotional rant. It's been a long few weeks. If this bummer of a post does not kill this thread, nothing can  |
Dasxb9s
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 04:10 pm: |
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Reepi...
My brother has 5 DWI and I don't know what the h*ll is going on, but each time he gets a slap on the hand and the worse that has happened is he finally got a drivers license suspension. Sadly, he will probably kill himself or someone else before it is all over. At 40 he still lives with my mother as he can't keep a job (he also has a learning disability and speech impediment which he uses as an excuse for his poor behavior and inability to keep a job) and this is rough on an 80 year old to deal with his out of control drinking and his DWI issues. My father was an alcoholic too. But he never got DWIs, I never recall him driving when he did his drinking.
When he has tried to play the my brother is a fed card, it has never worked and it has made it back to me. Where I sent my thanks for not considering who I am or what I do, when he gets himself in trouble. (He lives in the jurisdiction where I used to be a street cop and I am still known after 19 years away from that agency)
Sorry to hear about your friend! |
Curtyd
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 05:04 pm: |
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BLAKE, obviously a civil discussion with someone who states a different opinion than yours is not possible. I sense freedom of speech is only possible when it parrots the "company" or BBS line. You must be one of the head honcho computer nerds who set up this service. It is only a matter of time before I attract the ire and discipline of the electronic dictators, will I have to worry now about "banishment" if I cannot abandon my radical ways of speech and writing and comport with the prevailing philosophy of the "Masters of this BBS?" It's not worth much then and will soon enough wither on it's rotten vine.
edited by CurtyD on May 27, 2004 |
M1combat
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 05:46 pm: |
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LOL... It HASN'T withered upon it's ripening vine because of the efforts of the administrators to keep things civil. There's no reason what so ever for anyone who wishes to be a member of the Badweb to throw stones at another member or group... Why should there be? Granted, I've not always been Mr. Goodie Twoshoes around here and I have been lightly admonished from time to time (I'm one of those people who likes to speak their mind), but I don't blame the administration. Why? Because if you would like to frequent any other board supported by passion for Buells you will find that they ALL pale in comparison. This is a VERY high caliber website and the members are required to be the same. Kudos to all involved if you ask me.
It seems to me that some deviation from the topic of Buells themselves is certainly tolerated but when it gets "ugly" it becomes pointless. At the very least why waste the bandwidth? |
Curtyd
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 07:52 pm: |
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" The crap you are spouting is just that, crap. "
" No need to answer, just shut the hell up. "
See above, direct copy and pastes from Blake's thread.
Apparently the requirement of civility on this BBS is waived when the administrators choose to speak their so-called minds...
edited by CurtyD on May 27, 2004 |
Sportsman
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 09:22 pm: |
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All this about cops is really about state law and how unevenly it's enforced. The frustration doesn't start or end with the cop. It starts at state capitals, filters through to precincts, and ends up with what may or may not be, a well intentioned law, robbing Joe Workerbee and creating feelings like what came out on this thread. Seatbelts, no vegrants in this town, 55mph, whatever. It's up to the cops judgement, (unless maybe his captain is on a seatbelt tangent or something, as apparently Fla is after vegrants,) to use his disgression. That is where alot of frustration starts. A rule/law needs to apply all the time, to everyone, or it should not be applied at all, ever, and it needs to be repealed. A senator getting 6 weeks hotel service when a kid in Fla gets 6 years for the same vehicular crime leads anybody that is not going to get that break, into the belief that the judicial system is just plain dead not blind. O.J. playing golf doesn't help. The cop you are initally dealing with is God at that moment. There are so many ways he can screw you if he wants too and it makes the whole system impossibly random for predictability or reliability. He had a bad day/You had a bad day and poof, you've got a problem for no real reason. Then a distain for all things associated develops. I believe that is why some hate em', some respect em'. I've been on both sides of that fence and now just try to avoid contact, social or professional, it's just too risky.
1,000 years ago, Dukes, Princes, and Kings did whatever they wanted. Commoners and peasants were beheaded for similar behavior. Has anything but the penalty changed? Now it's about money, but that's about it. The sheriff of Nottingham will always be out there being a menace to anybody and getting off on power. The well intentioned sheriff will make errors and have bad days. The problems are really with the courts and the state lawmakers covering each others butts, so why hold it against the cop for covering his buddy.
Odd a person in the field is even humbled to mumblings on the net instead of working to enact change. I guess the system is just that broken. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 10:05 pm: |
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Old English neck tatoo....
ACAB
All Coppers Are Bastards
Rocket |
Doughnut
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 10:42 pm: |
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My parents were not married, so I'm a •••••••. I'm half way there. |
Seeeu911
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 06:46 am: |
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why was this thread edited and posts deleted ? |
Henrik
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 08:46 am: |
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Donn, you come here often enough to know the answer to that 
Henrik |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 09:12 am: |
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My bet is something that violated the site terms and conditions.
Court |
Bomber
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 09:37 am: |
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which do seem a bit variable from time to time
that's fair -- it ain't my candy store |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 11:45 am: |
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Donn,
I know of no posts that were deleted or edited by other than the original authors. A user can delete his/her own posts within the time limit.
Curt,
I apologize for the harsh language. You are correct; I was out of line and wrong for using it. I do affirm though that if you wish to wage a campaign of derision against law enforcement officers, you'll need to do it somewhere else. Yes, I am one of the founding custodians of this site. How many murderers, rapists, muggers, wife beaters, and thieves have police taken of the streets? Bottom line, if you are breaking the law, you have no right to complain about being caught by the police. If you don't like the law, you need to complain to those who can effect change in the law, not the police. If I had a choice between getting rid of half the attorneys or half the policemen in America, I damn sure know which I'd choose. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 11:47 am: |
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Bomber,
As time and temper permits, we do our best. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 12:08 pm: |
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Brer Blake -- that's been my experience, ,which is why I'm here . . . . best example of a moderated board I know of
unmoderated boards often seem aimed at Junior High School guys . . . . while there's nothing wrong with Juniro High School guys, I'm not one any more, and have little in common with them
to all the admins -- thanks |
Curtyd
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 12:27 pm: |
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Just the facts, it is not "derision". If the citizenry knew what really was going on in the judicial system, they might burn down the courthouse. There is a woman alleged to have been raped by a certain black man in the early 1990's. Eyewitness identification within inches of the perp's face. The man was cleared and the correct perp ID'd with DNA after this guy spent 7 years in prison. The woman is a powerful speaker and relays exactly how her ID had been bolstered and re-inforced by the LEO investigation. Never alleging any improper or illegal behavior, but the system of IDing one suspect early and nothing but re-inforcement that they "had their man" truly produced an unflagging determination on her part that the initial suspect was the rapist and she had to be proved different. This was in a case where there appears to have been no "funny business" by the investigating officer. She and the original arrestee present a powerful program to both sides of this criminal justice audience, cops and defense attys as guest speakers across the country. There are serious flaws in our system and all of us are protected by the INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY mandate. Some countries do it the opposite way. One thing I have noticed from my vantage point is that everyone who complains about the criminal defense bar ALWAYS changes their tune when they or one of their loved ones ends up accused of a crime, then they all want "Barry Sheck" on their defense team. That reminds of a post I can make on DAS "ALL PERSONS" thread.
edited by CurtyD on May 28, 2004 |
Light_keeper
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 02:51 pm: |
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I stopped in this afternoon, (not much else to due with all the rain) For the life of me I can't figure out what this all has to do with riding motorcycles. At first A question was asked and several answers given some smart some maybe not so smart. then everything went to hell. Lets see, we have covered civil rights, Cop rights, lawyer rights, perp rights, good guy rights, a couple of wrong place at wrong time stories, good cop bad cop and on and on. A couple of times it looked like maybe a good bike story was about to start then off you went again. All of you guys should sit back and re- read this whole thing and ask yourselves just what in the hell does this have to do with riding?
Sandy
Lets remember those who gave so much so we can be here. Not just this weekend but all year round |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 06:20 am: |
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Curtyd - I've been arrested twice. Once I was guilty, the other time I was innocent. I don't care to give details on the charges, but suffice it to say that neither charge was terribly life-altering. I was young and rather foolish/immature. Both times I was polite and respectful to the officers and I understood that they were doing their job. So I've been on the other side. I've been accused of a crime, twice. And I never felt the need to call foul and berate the police officers who pinched me.
That's the difference between someone who is willing to take responsibility for their actions and someone who is just a victim of the school system, their upbringing, the judicial system, the economy, or whatever else they want to blame their actions on. When I was innocent, I waited it out, and was found innocent. When I was guilty, I paid the penalty and did my community service and then it was done.
There's not enough people who are willing to take responsibility for their actions. That's why we have so many lawyers, and why they get paid so much. Some people are willing to pay a lot so that they don't have to admit that something is their fault. It disgusts me.
So, now you've heard from someone who "complains about the criminal defense bar" and who hasn't changed his tune. |
Seeeu911
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 10:22 am: |
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annonypussy I'm calling bullshit on you. primarly because you are hiding and avoiding identification while similtaneously berating and calling down others who you claim do not take responsibility..oh the irony..ha ha.
perhaps I might even agree with your value system and point if you had the huevos to take responsibility.
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Phillyblast
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 11:56 am: |
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Coupla quick stories (yeah right)
I was 19/20 years old, working for a friend of the families shop. I did tune-ups, etc. mostly handled the towing. Went out one afternoon for a AAA tow, brought one of the other guys with me, was showing him the ropes so he could take the beeper over the weekend. The tow was exactly 1.5 miles from the womans apartment to the repair shop (not the garage I worked for). So it was like 15 bucks - 13.50 for the hook, 1.50 a mile. Yes, it was a while ago  I write out the receipt, tell her it's 15 bucks, she goes bananas! I'm ripping her off, it's supposed to be 13.50 for the hook and the first mile, etc. Her son goes into the trunk of the car for a tire iron (car is still on the back of the truck) so I radio in to the dispatch, she says "get the hell out of there" - I drive away, car still on sling back to my work. She gets another co. to come get the car from my employers' storage.
Next day my boss gets a call from the local PD - the lady pressed theft charges against me. Could I please stop by for processing. So I'm facing grand theft auto charges for a dispute over $1.50. Charges were dismissed, for lack of evidence, plus all the witnesses on my side. Having a lawyer at that point was a very good thing and well worth the money. The LEOs that booked me were polite, were just "doing their jobs" and told me straight up they thought it was crap, but they had to do it. I wasn't cuffed or put behind bars. I was booked and released. They could have made life a lot more difficult for me, but the used their judgment.
Friend of mine, about the same time, was in the back seat with his girlfriend in a fave hide-away. Cops showed up and rousted them, decided to search the car. They found his little brother's bb pistol under the seat - apparently since he wasn't supposed to have it he decided to hide it in his older brother's car. Now instead of confiscating it and letting him go, they hauled him in and charged him with possessing an unlicensed handgun, or some such crap. He had turned 18 a few weeks before, got charged as an adult, and to this day has a gun conviction on his record. With a decent lawyer he probably could have had that reduced, and not have that hanging over his head nearly 2 decades later. Having a decent lawyer isn't always about a willingness to take responsibility. It's also about making sure you don't get caught up in circumstances because someone decides to "make an example" of you.
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Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 12:11 pm: |
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Curt,
Did I not request that you cease impugning the integrity of all of American law enforcement here on BadWeB? I'll not warn you again. Your choice.
Blake (custodian/admin/owner - BadWeatherBikers.com) |
Curtyd
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 02:25 pm: |
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Blake try actually reading the thread you so emphatically are complaining about. Read the whole thing, and try and comprehend the meaning as well. I told a story about a woman who had falsely ID'd a man as her alleged attacker. I said the LEOS did nothing funny or unethical, but that the system of investigation and prosecution produced serious errors. Errors that cost an innocent man numerous years of his life. If that is maligning some individual LEO or uncivil comment, then it is obvious that ANY opinion that differs from YOUR political perspective is a violation of YOUR make-them-up-as-you-go-along "rules of engagement." I am sorry that some topics for intelligent discourse and debate are not welcome at YOUR BADWEB. I will do my best to steer clear of commentary about the police, that I will have to guess that YOU may RULE objectionable...
edited by CurtyD on May 29, 2004 |
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