| Author | Message | ||
     Cyclonemick |
A couple of days ago I recieved all 3 of my registrations. Without paying attention I switched the stickers on my Buell and my car. The stickers have id #'s on them that match the reistration but do officers really look at the #'s on the sticker or just the plates? After I noticed what I did I tried to pull them off, but let me tell you it wasn't happening. SO should I contact the BMV or not worry about it? | ||
| Unibear12r |
Cyclone they run the plate #s not the stickers. They run sticker #s if they think the sticker is stolen. If you have problems with stolen stickers use a boxknife to slice it into strips AFTER you put it on your plate. Thats the way it works out here anyway. I would think you are OK. | ||
| S1joel |
I generally don't stick my face close enough to the plate to check the sticker numbers. If the plate comes back current and to that car that's good enough for me. And yes, the police are ALWAYS listening. | ||
| Dasxb9s |
...and the feds are too! edited by dasxb9s on May 21, 2004 | ||
| Johncr250 |
I just run the plate in NY. That tells me everything about the the car and owner:Name, car type, insurance info,registration info, license status, warrants, orders of protection, everything. | ||
| Seanp |
Man, everyone is listening... | ||
| Curtyd |
Put it right  , there is NO GOOD reason to give LEOs a legal reason to stop you out on the street. It is a criminal charge in FL, probably qualifying as Attached Tag Not Assigned, or Fraudulent Tag. DMV has a printer right there and can straighten it out for you. I have dealt with people ARRESTED for this same thing where the decal did NOT comport with the tag. ARRESTS are a really BAD DAY... edited by CurtyD on May 21, 2004 | ||
| Curtyd |
Don't trust LEOs to tell you the truth about anything when it comes to your involvement in a illegal act. They are trained to get you talking so that you put yourself behind the"8-Ball", create your own probable cause and down here they have no problem reading the decal # and comparing it to the registration. I wouldn't think that was too hard to do. Zero-tolerance enforcement means the cops goal is to legally get their hands on any person they come in contact with, search them for anything illegal and run them for outstanding warrants. The policy works for them, they ARREST lots of folks and some of them are dangerous people dodging some other jurisdiction. As for the innocent folks, "you've got nothing to hide from me, right?" | ||
| Roc |
“We can’t help you; we can only take you to jail.” – Chief Wiggam | ||
| Dasxb9s |
That's right. Five more petty offense arrests and I have enough points for a killer dinette set! Plus, I get extra points for pacing the BRAG club I ride with to have speeding tickets issued at a later date. We're evil and deceitful, we all lie under oath, its all a power trip!! edited by dasxb9s on May 21, 2004 | ||
| Easyflier |
I wish I had some Buell riding cops around here, that would be like having a free pass.  | ||
| Cj_xb |
This is a SCAREY thread !!! CJ | ||
| Curtyd |
Statements made to anyone other than an atty regarding ANY criminal offense CAN and WILL be used against you in a Court of law. Talk to an atty in a place where you have the expectation of privacy and you don't screw yourself with your own statements. We are the only ones who cannot use these statements against you. It's true, officer, it's called the US Constitution, you LEOS have heard of that troublesome document, haven't you? You took an oath swearing to uphold it, remember? edited by CurtyD on May 21, 2004 edited by CurtyD on May 21, 2004 | ||
| Reepicheep |
Geesh Curty... sounds like you "got's some issues" here. Cops have always been more then cool with me on the bike, and I appreciate the fact that they go to work every day ready to take a bullet to protect me and my family. There are idiots in every profession... I have met very few that are cops. | ||
| Dasxb9s |
Curtyd You are making a ton of assumptions about those of us who are LEO and posted on this thread! Did any of us accuse you of ambulance chasing? NO! Were you called a scheister (most likely spelled wrong)? NO! A simple question got turned in to an attempt at entrapment for a petty registration violation... and that was turned into an assumption that we who posted have a problem with the U.S. Constitution. That is a far stretch, and for the record I do not have ANY problems with that document. I have spent the better part of my adult life defending the concepts in that document! At this point 31 years. Please to not despise me for my profession... after you talk to me if you want to despise me... that I can and will accept that. It would be a waste of time to say more... a closed mind can't be opened except by the one who closed it. Remember... it's not paranoia if everyone really IS out to get you! I won't be making any further posts on this thread. However... there is a link in my profile for an email if anyone feels they must say something to me. or... you can call me at work Monday and we can chat... I work with attorneys every day. U.S. District Court W/MO... 816-512-2013. I will call you after you first call me and I will pay for the call! Why do so many things have to turn into the edge of personal attacks? I do not judge, I do not assume, I do not punish. The only things I take personal is those who commit crimes against children and when someone literally assaults me because I am legally doing my job. I do my job happily working withing the limits of the U.S. Constitution and the laws of this country. I have NO ill feelings against criminal defense attorneys, many of which I have long friendships which have grown out of years of mutual respect. Cyclonemick Contact the BMV and ask how to correct the mistake, and if you want legal advise, be sure and contact an attorney who works on BMV kinds of things who knows the laws related specifically to your problem or who knows the correct place to find the answers. Don't use a patient attorney for motor vehicle issues or traffic attorneys for corporate law. The field is large... and it works best to deal with an attorney who specializes in what you need. The law is very complex... and they don't have Doctorate Degrees (Juris Doctor) because the law is simple as it passes through the court system. Earning the degree is just the beginning of learning the law, a good experienced attorney is fascinating to watch in court, be it for the prosecution or the defense! I would hope that Curtyd would agree with me on this... deal with an attorney who knows his stuff! | ||
| Curtyd |
The "issue" is the US and State Constitutions that have been gutted over the last 40 years by the alleged defenders of our society. Lots of people have tough jobs, but ask even the older LEOs privately, many are dismayed at the ethical lapses of the younger cops. It is about a power trip for most of them. I sought to explain "zero-tolerance" enforcement policies to those of you lucky enough not to live in those jurisdictions where it is enforced. Orlando has it in abundance. Orlando PD devotes officers to "sting" operations to sweep up illegal panhandlers, open containers, "camping" homeless people, amongst other "quality of life" selective enforcement of criminal violations. It's really a travesty and is nothing more than raw power leveled against the weakest citizens in this society on a daily basis. | ||
| Dasxb9s |
CJ_XB You aren't stalking me again... are you??  | ||
| Dasxb9s |
Gawd, I am baited soooooo easily. No sir... I respectfully disagree, the issue is what should Cyclonemick do to correct the mistake of putting the wrong stickers on the wrong tags. Cyclonemick... I apologize for hijacking your thread, good luck on getting things straightened out. When ever you need legal advise, find an attorney who knows the things related to your issue. When ever you need to know where a donut shop is, ask an LEO like me.  Dennis (aka DASXB9S) edited by dasxb9s on May 21, 2004 | ||
| Johncr250 |
Cyclone, i would suggest contacting Motor vehicles and have them print out new stickers for you if its not too much trouble. Just so all your paperwork is correct. I don`t know how things work down there, but any cop should be able to see that it was just an honest mistake after running your info. My wife made the same mistake only with our license plates last year when the new plates came for our cars! She switched the plates by accident and put the wrong ones on the cars! Same situation, it`ll get you pulled over. But after checking the computer, in 2 minutes you`ll know it was just an honest mistake. Not a big deal, in NYC. Now as far as the MP-5 and the 1/2 lb of crack in the backseat, thats a different story.... | ||
| Curtyd |
"Just the facts..." 100 perecent of the LEOs who responded to the original question, told the proponent NOT to worry about having the decal on his tag not match the registration, they never check it anyhow. 1 atty then told him to fix it because he has had people ARRESTED for the same thing. Also told him not to trust LEOs when asking for legal advice and talk to an atty, makes sense considering the previous 4 had just given him bad advice. Atty also gave a brief primer about right to remain silent and zero tolerance enforcement zones. My opinion is the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures and to not have a def's statements used against him is meaningless in today's justice system. As a federal officer, my fellow XBS'er, actually agreed with some of these points. I have no personal problem with LEOs I treat them all very respectfully, except on cross X, if I can get away with it. If these street cops weren't so prolific at lying it wouldn't have made for so effective a defense over the years.I didn't use ANY derogatory names. My federal colleague just couldn't resist throwing in his two. I just wish they would leave the legal decisions to the courts and the attys and stop trying to "help" along each investigation with their creative writing and public speaking methods. edited by CurtyD on May 22, 2004 | ||
| Oz666 |
...  Oz | ||
| Cj_xb |
You can carry anything to an extreme, geez I don't think you'll get thrown in jail for something that simple !! Das, nope not stalking, just reading and laughing !! CJ | ||
| Bomber |
leaving legal decisions to the atty's and courts (the people who have constructed the maze we're in) seems ill advised. LEO enforce the laws that are passed by the legislature, signed by the exec, interpreted by the courts, and atty's either prosecute you or defend you . . . . . . simple are their people who wear a badge that shouldn't? you bet -- and they are often prosecuted (along with innocent folks), kicked off the force, and otherwise dealt with are there lawyers who should be stripepd of their licence to practice? you bet! but, like with anyone policing themselves, you seldom hear of this occuring . . . . my experience with LEOs giveing me advice that has panned out vs atty's doing the same has me trusting the badged folks a great deal more than the atty's . . .. curtyd -- from your posts and their tone, tenor and use of language, might I suggest you move from Orlando? sounds like a truely hideous place to live | ||
| Curtyd |
Criminal business is great, you wouldn't think Central Fl. was so crime-ridden. Thanks to the "locals" all the jail is full and they're building more jail space and criminal courts as we write. Heck, what we need is more undercover operations to nail these pesky misdemeanant beggars pestering all the good folk here with their illegal and flagrant appeals for "Buddy, can you spare a dime?" I am not paranoid for me personally, it's just a shame when a society so blatantly kicks those already down to their last "house on the block." | ||
| Dino |
Curt - Maybe you could give the poor and downtrodden your home address and have 'em camp on your lawn? | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
i try to stay out of these, but since my buddy Dino chimed in... Mick, you knew the answer without even having to ask. take the steps to get your **** together, and life will be good. honest mistake, but fix it now, when it's easy, instead of later, when it may not be so easy. as far as cops in general... i've been a licensed rider since 1972, and i've stretched several traffic laws while riding (and driving) in those 32 years. not ONCE have i been treated with anything other than respect and courtesy by an LEO during a traffic stop, and that includes skating away without even a warning from a 150-in-a-60 incident on my VFR a coupla years ago. sure, cops are people, too, which means some are better than others, just like the rest of us. but i can't imagine what this place (the USA) would be like without them, and anybody who goes to work each day willing to die (stop and think about that for a moment...) for MY safety and freedom (and i include firefighters and the military in this statement) has my utmost respect. Mick, do what you know must be done. ride to lean, FB | ||
| Dino |
Talk to an atty in a place where you have the expectation of privacy and you don't screw yourself with your own statements. We are the only ones who cannot use these statements against you. It's true, officer, it's called the US Constitution, you LEOS have heard of that troublesome document, haven't you? Curt - I admit to an embarrassing ignorance of the Constitution. Apparently it speaks to attorney client privilege? What section or amendment is that? BTW, you know the other thing besides rogue cops trampling on our constitutional rights that offends the Hell outta me. It those freakin' criminal defense attorneys who insult my intelligence by addressing the media from the steps of the courthouse, immediately following the arraignment of their (alleged) scum-sucking murderer of a client, telling us all what a miscarriage of justice is occurring, painting their client as a reincarnation of Jack Armstrong, All-American boy. All without the benefit of reviewing any evidence or hearing any testimony, and all the while decrying the fact that the case is being tried court of public opinion rather than a court of law and insisting that a change in venue is, therefore, a necessity. Just a pet peeve of mine. And no, I don't believe that all defense attorneys fit this description any more that I think all LEOs are inclined to want to trample my constitutional rights. But perhaps I'm just naive Ferris - Wish I could have said what you said as well as you said it. How 'bout I just second each and every word. | ||
| Cyclonemick |
Wow!! Someone was listening! Actually a bunch of you! Thanks to everybody who chimed in. Like some of you said it is proabably not a real big deal but after reading more of your posts I think I will just ride over to the BMV on my next day off, just for peace of mind. | ||
| Blake |
Curt, Time for a long vacation methinks. Cyclone, If it were me, Blake the risk taker, I'd leave the stickers as is, but maybe I'd take a photo of the correct sticker and keep it in my wallet (for the bike) and the glovebox (for the cars). That might help convince a detail oriented LEO that your story is true. | ||
| Pangalactic |
Curt - I admit to an embarrassing ignorance of the Constitution. Apparently it speaks to attorney client privilege? What section or amendment is that? Actually, client/attorney privilege is derived from the 6th, 5th, and, in the case of state law, the 14th amendment. 6th guarantees right to counsel, 5th guarantees no "compelled" self-incrimination in due process of the law. Legal rules allow for client attorney discussion of crimes or scenarios, so forcing attorneys to breach confidentiality would be in contrast to those two amendments. States were incorporated via the 14th amendment, which says (in part) no state can bypass the US constitution. So....client attorney privilege was a derived constitutional right. Then the patriot act came, and these constitutional rights are becoming more and more ...shall we say ..."guidelines, more so than an actual code" NOTE, this post is not intended as any type of legal advise, as I am not yet a member of the Bar. Pang |
