| Author | Message | ||
     Buellinachinashop |
I dont see Buell being allowed to expand on touring bikes, when that's all HD makes. And now that the Sporty "ride for free" program is over, HD sales just dropped again between 20-25%. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"I don't see an S3T type bike as a competitor to the XT." Buell does. "Ever go touring on a sportbike? Want to? This is the Buell Ulysses XB12XT" So you still think Buell would make an S3T to compete against the XT? I can easily see Buell coming out with a Rotax sport touring bike to compliment the aircooled XT though. (Message edited by BuellinaChinashop on May 28, 2009) | ||
| Crackhead |
throw a 21" wheel under the Uly and then it willn't be competing against the 1125st | ||
| Xl1200r |
Your evidence will be available in July or August. Besides that, HD knows that tougher epa requiremnts are going to all but garuntee they go to liquid cooling on their bigger, heavier bikes. HD has plenty of touring bikes outside Geezer Glides, starting with the Sportster, Dyna's and the VR. Besides that, a S3T would then be competing with the new Uly XT. I highly doubt that's going to happen. I'll keep an eye for it, but I'm not holding my breath for any sweeping powertrain changes at the Motor Company. A Sportster is NOT a touring bike. You can tour a Sportster, sure, but that does not make it a touring bike. I owned one (yes, one of the new ones) - been there, done that and it's not a touring bike. You can tour on a 125cc Vespa, or a Ducati 1098, too. Same goes for the Dynas, VRs and SofTails. Yes, they're bigger, more comfortable, etc, but they aren't 'touring' bikes. Would a modern 1125-based S3T compete with a Uly? On some levels, sure. Is this all of the sudden a no-no at Buell? Does an 1125R compete with a Firebolt? Does an 1125CR compete with a Lightning? Hell, does a Firebolt compete with a Lightning? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
throw a 21" wheel under the Uly and then it willn't be competing against the 1125st And it will handle like crap. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"Would a modern 1125-based S3T compete with a Uly? On some levels, sure. Is this all of the sudden a no-no at Buell? Does an 1125R compete with a Firebolt? Does an 1125CR compete with a Lightning? Hell, does a Firebolt compete with a Lightning?" Not an 1125 type S3T. I agree, that would be a good compliment to a the Uly Xt. But a brand new, 1 off sport touring S3T that would be completly new isn't going to happen. Why would Buell make the XT and then launch a new touring bike? There's no way HD will let that happen. A Sporty with bags isn't a tourning bike, but a Uly with bags slapped on is? What's your definition of touring?? (Message edited by Buellinachinashop on May 28, 2009) | ||
| Barker |
the 12x is almost a sport tourer the 12xt is a sport tourer I really dont see another sport tourer from the guy who said "sport tourers don't sell" The Uly is to popular to reinvent or replace Im hoping for this in a street bike  | ||
| F_skinner |
It is hard to tell what Buell will do next. I enjoy being surprised. I was not a Uly fan but last year at Homecoming I rode one. When I was signing up for the test ride and I was asked what I wanted to ride I said Uly XB12X and the girl said "great, hardly anyone is signing up for them". I told her it was because everyone seems to already have one! I rode it and told Lynn, who rode a Blast, that the Uly is my next bike. She was as surprised as I was. I knew, from that ride, that the Uly IS a Sport Touring bike. I will be riding mine to Homecoming! It will never replace my S2T or S1W but I like it just the same. Ok, I LOVE my S2T but the more I ride the Uly the more I like it. If Buell made a Sport Touring bike based on the 1125 motor I would certainly think about it but I do like the air cooled motor in the Uly. | ||
| Timberwolf211 |
I would like to add my thoughts to this. I really think it would be awesome for Buell to make a 1125ST. I really had my heart set on a Uly after Demo riding one; I found its major flaw the heat coming from the right side was like having a space heater on my leg.where the 1125 does not do that at all. It is damn comfy to ride for the long haul and also fun to have just to play on. But recently after riding the 1125R I have a new love. A ton less heat and gobs of power. Make a 1125ST that can contend with Honda,BMW,Kawi and the Yamaha FJR and I would buy one in a heartbeat. My wife who is interested in riding her own bike told me that she would like to be more of a passenger for a longer trip; and after sitting on a FJR she found that for her it was extremely easy to get on and off.(she is on 5'3") So that means a lot in making my decision in purchasing a bike. So if Buell does decide to make a 1125R ST I am there signing the paper work.Really not interested in the cruiser look and thats one of the reasons Buell appeal to me and I like the sportbike style. Until then I will most likely end up with the Yamaha and be completely happy with having the best of both worlds. Bike that can play with sportbikes yet be comfy enough to enjoy the all day ride and the two up trip when me and the wife need to escape from the world and just enjoy the scenery. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Robert- if you liked the Uly except for the heat, it CAN be fixed and it's not that hard. Come over to BB&D and we'll tell you how. | ||
| Xl1200r |
BCS - I didn't think anyone was talking about anything different than an 1125-derived ST. I agree - I don't think Buell will build a new platform soon, and not for a ST bike if they do. I took the S3T reference as only being an S3T was to an S1 as a (potential) 1125ST is to an 1125R. I envision an 1125 with a 2-up designed tail, relaxed ergos, a bag package and a taller (eek!) fairing, possibly with some kind of lowers. I woudln't expect anything like an FJR or ST1300. | ||
| Jaimec |
I guess we need to define "Sport Tourer." To me, a sport tourer is a Yamaha FJR1300, a BMW R1200ST or K1300GT, Kawasaki Concours 14, or Honda ST1300. Compared to those bikes, the XB12XT is a standard bike with bags, NOT a sport tourer. Sorry. | ||
| F_skinner |
Interesting point. What defines a Sport Tourer? The name, marketing, bags, color? I have always thought the function defines the bike. My Uly is a Sport Touring bike because that is what I use it for. | ||
| Easy_rider |
I'm with Jaimec. I think the S3T only happened because it didn't take much to modify an S3. As much as many of us love it, it doesn't sound like is was successful in Eric's eyes. The Uly performs the function, and many more that the S3T couldn't. I'm one of those that wants a little more sport with my tour, though! | ||
| F_skinner |
I do not like having a marketing firm tell me what my bike is made for. There are very few bikes that are built for just one purpose. As far as the S3T I think it is a perfect bike. I would also argue that the M2 is a well rounded bike as well and I would have no problem calling either of them Sport Touring bikes. I would not call my Electra glide a Sport Touring bike. I would call it heavy on touring and style and no sport. It is a well balanced easy bike to ride. I looked at two bikes Jaimec mentioned before I bought the Uly. I knew what I wanted the bike to do. I wanted it to be as functional as the S2T, capable of long distance, ability to carry a lot of crap and most of all fun. The only thing the S2 has over the Uly is looks and soul. I was leaning towards the Concours hard until I traded with a friend for a couple of miles. The Concours is nice, has a lot of power and is functional but that long wheel base bothered me. I might have felt different if I rode it more miles. What impressed me the most was the reaction of my friend when he got off the Uly. The same thing happen to a friend that rode a KLR, he now has a Uly. So, while marketing people sell a image trying to hit as many markets as possible. What they are called is irrelevant. How they are used is more important and only relevant to the owner of the bike. (Message edited by f_skinner on May 28, 2009) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Barker... Im hoping for that in a Dual sport  | ||
| Crackhead |
i was thinking that the uly would move more towards the dual sport side and the 1125st be the replacement. the 1125st would have beautiful lines with 1/2 faring similar the s3t, Buell fitting bags, not just dual sport bages strapped to the sides. | ||
| Swordsman |
Has Court popped in yet to give us one of his patented vague insinuations? ~SM | ||
| Badlionsfan |
No, but I'll bet he's reading and laughing at all of this. I have no clue what Buell will do next, but I think a smaller displacement helicon sportbike would be a good idea. | ||
| Jaimec |
I'm actually more with F_Skinner on this than not. To me, "Sport Touring" is a style of RIDING, not a style of bike. Still, some bikes make that style of riding easier than others. By all definition, my K1200LT is a "Luxury Tourer" but you'd never know it once I get it on a backroad. Someone at Americade was trying to sell me floorboards for it. I told him to feel the bottom of my footpegs and tell me if he thought I wanted to put floorboards on the bike. One feel of all of the gouged metal down there convinced him I was NOT a "Floorboard Kinda Guy." I "Sport Tour" with every motorcycle I've ever owned. What I'd LIKE for Buell is to make it EASIER for me to do this. BMW makes locking hard bags available for just about every model they sell (though I'm not expecting to see any for the S1000RR) regardless of it's intended purpose. That's really all I want from Buell. Softbags are nice, but LOCKING, waterproof hard bags are better. Especially if the mounting hardware is nearly invisible or easily removed if you don't need the bags from time to time. | ||
| F_skinner |
"Sport Touring" is a style of RIDING, not a style of bike. Still, some bikes make that style of riding easier than others. Well said. I look for certain things on a bike when I am buying one. My purpose for riding has not changed much but I have learned to appreciate certain features. I know I am getting old because I think big hard bags are sexy! | ||
| Xl1200r |
I always split Sport Touring bikes into two categories: Sporty Touring Bikes: Like the ST1300, FJR, Concourse 14, etc. Touring Sport Bikes: Like the Sprint ST, VFR800, Ducati ST3, etc. The S3T was of the latter, and I can't imagine Buell building anything from the former. | ||
| Jaimec |
Take one 1125R. Install SLIGHTLY higher bars, and a comfy, one-piece saddle and mounts for locking hard bags. VOILA! Instant sport tourer for minimal financial investment. I'd also prefer the engine be retuned for less top end, more bottom and mid range and better fuel consumption but that isn't as important. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
Jaime, wouldn't the Cr do that with the different gearing and high bars kit? | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Cr lacks the wind protection of the r. | ||
| Jaimec |
Badlionsfan: You beat me to it. That's exactly the reason I selected the "R" model. For a sportbike, that fairing is squarely in "Sport Tourer" country with the wind/weather protection it provides. Another possibility would be to build around the XB12Ss chassis. You'd need some kind of lowers to smooth the lines from the 1125R fairing to the rest of the bike, but the fuel capacity, riding range, and comfortable saddle are already there. Just needs the lockable saddlebags. The XT pegs are too low for serious sport riding, and the bars are too high. The ergos on the Ss are just about right. To me, anyway. YMMV. | ||
| Acav80 |
All I know is I'm having fun listening to the speculation! Based on badweb demand the new Buell lineup will be: -6 sport touring models -3 small displacement helicon sportbikes -t-storm motor bored-out to 1350cc -S2 and X1 brought back just for the hell of it -dirtbike (based on Cityxslicker demand) Good thing Erik and the 200 get the final say! | ||
| Froggy |
You forgot to mention the trike! | ||
| Bill0351 |
-6 sport touring models -3 small displacement helicon sportbikes -t-storm motor bored-out to 1350cc -S2 and X1 brought back just for the hell of it -dirtbike (based on Cityxslicker demand) "S2 and X1 brought back" with a "t-storm motor bored-out to 1350cc" which I would buy "just for the hell of it." | ||
| Ourdee |
Here's your trike froggy  |
