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Why THEY fight « on: January 24, 2009, 01:03:24 PM » Quote Special Dispatch - No. 388 June 12, 2002 No. 388 'Why We Fight America': Al-Qa'ida Spokesman Explains September 11 and Declares Intentions to Kill 4 Million Americans with Weapons of Mass Destruction Al-Qa'ida spokesman Suleiman Abu Gheith, originally from Kuwait, recently posted a three-part article titled "In the Shadow of the Lances" on the website of the Center for Islamic Research and Studies, **www.alneda.com**. Following numerous hacking attempts after the international media reported that the site was linked to Al-Qa'ida, its address was changed to **http://66.34.191.223.** Recently, the site published an article by Ayman Al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's deputy and leader of the Egyptian Jihad organization. However, the Saudi London-based Arabic-daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat reported that the article had already appeared in the Al-Mujahiddeen publication.[1] The following are excerpts from Abu Gheith's article: Part I: Why We Fight the U.S. "…Perhaps the [Islamic] nation is waiting for one Al-Qa'ida man to come out and clear up the many questions that accompany any communiqué, message, or picture [concerning September 11], to know the truth, the motives, and the goals behind the conflict with the Hubal [one of the pre-Islamic Ka'ba idols - referring to the U.S.] of our generation…" "Why is the world surprised?! Why were millions of people astounded by what happened to America on September 11? Did the world think that anything else would happen? That something less than this would happen?!" "What happened to America is something natural, an expected event for a country that uses terror, arrogant policy, and suppression against the nations and the peoples, and imposes a single method, thought, and way of life, as if the people of the entire world are clerks in its government offices and employed by its commercial companies and institutions." "Anyone who was surprised, and did not expect [the events of September 11] did not [understand] the nature of man, and the effects of oppression and tyranny on man's emotions and feelings. They thought that oppression begets surrender, that repression begets silence, that tyranny only leaves humiliation. Perhaps they also thought that this [oppressive] atmosphere is sufficient to kill man's virility, shatter his will, and uproot his honor. These people erred twice: once when they ignored [the consequences of] treating man with contempt, and again when they were unaware of man's ability to triumph." "This goes for every man - let alone when the man in question is of those who believe in Allah, in Islam as a religion, and in Muhammad as Prophet and Messenger, and anyone who knows that his religion is unwilling to allow him to be inferior and refuses to allow him to be humiliated." The Entire Earth Must Be Subjected to Islam "How can [he] possibly [accept humiliation and inferiority] when he knows that his nation was created to stand at the center of leadership, at the center of hegemony and rule, at the center of ability and sacrifice? How can [he] possibly [accept humiliation and inferiority] when he knows that the [divine] rule is that the entire earth must be subject to the religion of Allah - not to the East, not to the West - to no ideology and to no path except for the path of Allah?…" "As long as this Muslim knows and believes in these facts, he will not - even for a single moment - stop striving to achieve it, even if it costs him his soul… his time, his property, and his son, as it is said, 'Say [to the believers]: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your wives and your kinsfolk and the worth you have acquired and the trade, the dullness of which you apprehend, and the dwellings that you fancy are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger, and striving in His cause, then wait until Allah issues His judgment. Allah guides not the disobedient people…'" [2] Part II: The Blow Against the U.S. Will Come from Where Least Expected "…The [premises] on which we base ourselves as an organization, and on which we base our operations and our method of action, are practical and realistic… They are also scientific and [in accordance with] Islamic religious law, and they give us confidence and certainty… In writing them and in [publicly] revealing them, I do not intend to be apologetic for what was done; I lay [these arguments] before you so as to emphasize that we are continuing with our blows against the Americans and the Jews, and with attacking them, both people and installations [so as to stress] that what awaits the Americans will not, Allah willing, be less than what has already happened to them. America must prepare itself; it must go on maximum alert; … because, Allah willing, the blow will come from where they least expect it…" "America is the head of heresy in our modern world, and it leads an infidel democratic regime that is based upon separation of religion and state and on ruling the people by the people via legislating laws that contradict the way of Allah and permit what Allah has prohibited. This compels the other countries to act in accordance with the same laws in the same ways… and punishes any country [that rebels against these laws] by besieging it, and then by boycotting it. By so doing, [America] seeks to impose on the world a religion that is not Allah's…" "America, with the collaboration of the Jews, is the leader of corruption and the breakdown [of values], whether moral, ideological, political, or economic corruption. It disseminates abomination and licentiousness among the people via the cheap media and the vile curricula." "America is the reason for all oppression, injustice, licentiousness, or suppression that is the Muslims' lot. It stands behind all the disasters that were caused and are still being caused to the Muslims; it is immersed in the blood of Muslims and cannot hide this." "For 50 years in Palestine, the Jews - with the blessing and support of the Americans - carried out abominations of murder, suppression, abuse, and exile… The Jews exiled nearly 5 million Palestinians and killed nearly 260,000. They wounded nearly 180,000, and crippled nearly 160,000." "Due to the American bombings and siege of Iraq, more than 1,200,000 Muslims were killed in the past decade. Due to the siege, over a million children are killed [annually] - that is 83,333 children on average per month, 2,777 children on average per day. 5,000 Iraqis were killed in one day in the Al-'Amiriya shelter alone. Are these statistics of military installations???!!!!" "In its war against the Taliban and Al-Qa'ida in Afghanistan, America has killed 12,000 Afghan civilians and 350 Arab Jihad fighters, among them women and children. It annihilated entire families from among the Arab Jihad fighters while they were in their cars, when the American Air Force bombed [them] with helicopters and anti-tank missiles, until nothing remained of some of them except scattered body parts." "In Somalia, America killed 13,000 Somalis and [its soldiers] carried out acts of abomination on [Somali] boys and women." Muslims Have Suffered from the U.S.'s Standing with Christians "America's standing with the Christians of the world against the Muslims has stripped the camouflage from its face. Much can be said about this regarding the Sudan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Kashmir, Macedonia, Bosnia, and other tragedies. America's siege on the Islamic countries as punishment for their rebellion against its laws has transgressed all limits, and Muslims have suffered economic losses that outstrip the imagination." "After all this, is it forbidden for a victim to escape when he is tied and brought to the slaughterhouse?!! Is he not entitled, while he is being slaughtered, to stamp his feet?!!..." "After all this, some [Arab regimes] shed crocodile tears for what happened to the country of heresy [America], and tried to exonerate Islam from what happened to [America] and asked the country of heresy to treat the Muslims sensitively and gently, and sent messengers and broadcasters to the Jihad fighters with a request to stop fighting Hubal [i.e. meaning the U.S.]. Do they really think we would do this?!" "No, by Allah. They [the Arab regimes] have turned their back on us and we have turned our back on them… We would have no honor if we did not avenge the blood of our brothers in Palestine, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and everywhere." "… The banner is being waved openly, and now there is 'only a trench of belief' and 'a trench of heresy.'" Part III: The Islamic Justification for Al-Qa'ida's Jihad Against the U.S. "The religious arguments on which we base ourselves in our Jihad against the Americans - the explanations that inspire us with confidence in the triumph of our religion, our belief, and our faith - are many, and this is not the place to enumerate them, as they are included in the books of the sages." "No one disagrees with these explanations, except he who lives [in] fear … he who asks for shelter, thinking that he has distanced himself from evil … or he who kneels as a doorman before the doors of the tyrants to gain a position, advancement, or a gift!!" "These people have not, Allah be praised, dissuaded us, not even for a single day, from continuing in our path, from our Jihad, and from our mission. Allah willing, they will not prevent us [in the future]." "In this article I will present one explanation that suffices [to wage] Jihad against the Americans, the Jews, and anyone who has gone in their path…" "Allah said, 'He who attacked you, attack him as he attacked you,' and also, 'The reward of evil is a similar evil,' and also, 'When you are punished, punish as you have been punished.'" "The words of the sages on these verses are clear: Ibn Taimiyya [in his book] Al Ikhtiyarat Wa-Al-Fatawi; Ibn Al-Qayim in I'lam Al-Muqi'in and in Al-Hashiya; Al-Qurtubi in his Tafsir, Al-Nawawi in Al-Muhazab; Al-Shukani in Nayl Al-Awtar; and others, may Allah's mercy be upon them." "Anyone who peruses these sources reaches a single conclusion: The sages have agreed that the reciprocal punishment to which the verses referred is not limited to a specific instance. It is a valid rule for punishments for infidels, for the licentious Muslims, and for the oppressors." Islamic Law Allows Reciprocation against the U.S. "If by religious law it is permitted to punish a Muslim [for the crime he committed] - it is all the more permitted to punish a Harbi infidel [i.e. he who belongs to Dar Al-Harb 'the domain of disbelief'] in the same way he treated the Muslim." "According to the numbers I noted in the previous section of the lives lost from among the Muslims because of the Americans, directly or indirectly, we still are at the beginning of the way. The Americans have still not tasted from our hands what we have tasted from theirs. The [number of] killed in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were no more than fair exchange for the ones killed in the Al-'Amiriya shelter in Iraq, and are but a tiny part of the exchange for those killed in Palestine, Somalia, Sudan, the Philippines, Bosnia, Kashmir, Chechnya, and Afghanistan." We Have the Right to Kill 4 Million Americans "We have not reached parity with them. We have the right to kill 4 million Americans - 2 million of them children - and to exile twice as many and wound and cripple hundreds of thousands. Furthermore, it is our right to fight them with chemical and biological weapons, so as to afflict them with the fatal maladies that have afflicted the Muslims because of the [Americans'] chemical and biological weapons." "America knows only the language of force. This is the only way to stop it and make it take its hands off the Muslims and their affairs. America does not know the language of dialogue!! Or the language of peaceful coexistence!! America is kept at bay by blood alone…" [1] Al-Sharq Al-Awsat (London), June 7, 2002. [2] Koran 9:24. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If America were wiped off the face of the planet tomorrow, they would still be the masters of the sandy shit hole they are today. How many Muslims have killed other Muslims in the name of Allah? | ||
| Andrejs2112 |
If they killed us all, who would they sell all of their oil too? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ayman Al-Zawahiri is the Jessie Jackson of the middle east. He's a misery pimp. Unless there is a boogey man to rail against, he has no power. Blame it on whitey. | ||
| Eboos |
I stopped reading the contradicting ramblings of this insane person about half way through. | ||
| Guell |
Its too bad im not in charge, id show them what real weapons of mass destruction are | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Theres a big black box in Saudi Arabia that gets millions of visitors... sounds like a perfect time for retaliation. Especially since all 19 of the m'f'ers were from Saudi anyways. America will never do what is necessary to win, we lost that will over 60 years ago. Medina & Mecca should be the new Hiroshima and Nagasaki | ||
| Greenlantern |
 Why the HELL is everyone always a blamin' me!?!? | ||
| Aesquire |
Don't forget Qom. To wish mass death on the estimated 200 million people who support the murder of their "enemy" ( us ) is as insane as them. You know, moral issues, some still have them. Tempting though, to give in to hate when you are hated. The problem is, you can't eliminate a religion. The Soviets tried to substitute their brand of state worship for Islam, ( and Christianity ) but failed. That gave us cranky old men in the 'stans with a half a Koran & a bad attitude toward western civ. See Afghanistan. Islam is the fastest growing religion. There are powerful groups of guys, like CAIR that defend their faith with $ and violence. The point often made by the Islamic fringe leaders & ignored by the "west" is that the violence will all go away after we all convert to Islam. I'm not going to. I know that's one reason that so many people traditionally hate the Jews, their stubborn way of not abandoning their faith when others murder them for it. So what, the Islamic guys aren't going to convert to Gia worship easily either. As an American ( you too Canadians ) I believe in religious freedom. We've seen where freedom is denied, you get BAD THINGS. ( see entire middle east ) There is more than one reason that western governments are cowards about admitting who the enemy is, and that we are at war. They don't have a clue how to fight that war, and it would upset people if they were honest. There is also the remote possibility that actually admitting that we are at war with religious nutballs would lead to a reexamination of the other evil/dangerous cults that threaten your happiness. Like the state worshipers that seek to rule by divine right. ( or pass trillion $ pork bills in the name of "only government can solve this crisis". } Or the eco-fanatics that would really prefer that evil humans died so that the butterflies could be free. http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html Did you see the TV show, where they gleefully show the cities crumble & go back to holy nature? More than one death cult out there. ( though the Christians, for the most part seem to have calmed down lately ) | ||
| Greenlantern |
I have said it before,  STOP THE SWISS BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!! | ||
| Svh |
HAHA nice Tick reference | ||
| Swordsman |
I see this getting very, VERY ugly, and ultimately resulting in a several large glass lakes in the middle east. As wussy as the government acts nowadays with their international tiptoeing, I believe that when push REALLY comes to shove, there will be a breaking point, and the American people as a whole will demand it, treaties and international politics be damned. Who knows how much bad mojo has to go down on our own turf before that happens, though. ~SM | ||
| Scotty_j |
"a country that uses terror, arrogant policy, and suppression against the nations and the peoples, and imposes a single method, thought, and way of life" and then: "The Entire Earth Must Be Subjected to Islam" Ummmmmmmm.....Um? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Sure religious freedom yadda yadda yadda Fly two 737s into downtown skyscrapers ... I see nowhere in the Koran that motivates that kind of 'conversion' Yes I have read the Koran, and being the infidel that I am , I read it in ENGLISH. You want to know what the enemy is thinking, you should atleast know their frame of reference. Fatwa's and Jihad are set by the cleric religious leaders and not commanded from Allah. I think the Pope missed his boat by not calling in a Crusade. But thats just me. We had a chance to kill OBL in 93, Clinton missed the command to do it. See what kindler and gentler gets you. And if you think the SOB's coming out of a 'freed' Gitmo are going to be warm and fuzzy snuggle bears and model world citizens... Well the whole thing just leaves a bad taste. We will come to regret ever letting ONE of those guys go. PS Russia never anihilated the church, they never would have made it through world war II without the support of the Orthodox religion, quit watching History channel and pick up some source text. Stalin USED the church and exploited it to its fullest benefit for the Soviet claim. They didnt just celebrate 1000 years of Christianity for a fad. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
""Due to the American bombings and siege of Iraq, more than 1,200,000 Muslims were killed in the past decade. Due to the siege, over a million children are killed [annually] - that is 83,333 children on average per month, 2,777 children on average per day. 5,000 Iraqis were killed in one day in the Al-'Amiriya shelter alone. Are these statistics of military installations???!!!!" " No they aren't military installations,so why hide amoung innocent people and villages? Stand up and fight like men you pansy. | ||
| Ezblast |
I'm sorry - I say there are not enough dead yet, I don't want to eliminate a religion, I want to eliminate the race that uses religion as an excuse to strap bombs onto their children and sends them forth to die. Extreme measures demand extreme action. There would peace in the Middle East with just the eradication of the Palestinians - with the words behind the deed of - "Who wants to be next?" Simplistic - yes, however, Israel after winning its war and basically saying that, had peace for a long time till policy makers destroyed their borders and gave away the land they earned in blood - inviting these killers to their table and then wondering why they are being attacked. If you are willing to sacrifice your children, then you should be sacrificed as well - God will sort it out in the end, and the few innocent lost can stand by the Christians who suffered similar. I say no mercy for the folks crying no mercy. EZ | ||
| Oldog |
Heres my take, next Alquada attack on US soil, we start systematicaly hunting the clerics and misery pimps down starting here in the us, extract them and execute them leaving them in pig blood. I have mixed emotions about nuking mecca or medina. However Kill 4 million americans by any means on our soil and I think that its time to make glass. I watch the palistenian antics, and believe that Isreal should not be restrained any further, They (the arabs) are like boys throwing rocks at a hornets nest, they cry to the world when they get stung, but they keep throwin the rocks they never seem to make the connection leave the nest alone and you dont get stung. They the arabs (palestinians) have vowed to drive the jews into the sea, and have gotten their buts kicked every time that they have tried it my 0.02$ next time Isreal has to get out the can they keep what they take, end of the discussion. When the lebanoese were rocketing Isreal a while back the terrorists were in plain site in Bay-route(sp) Ireal bombed the city till they stoped shelling Hipha Dont cry to us expecxting sympthy when you harbour these folks or get your city bombed. Perhaps they may come to understand it if not then it will continue | ||
| Edgydrifter |
"I'm sorry - I say there are not enough dead yet, I don't want to eliminate a religion, I want to eliminate the race..." "Earth, Hitler, 1938." Apologies to all for both making a Star Trek reference and proving Godwin's Law in three words. | ||
| Ezblast |
Fool - I am not the nation's leader crying that these folks are the reason for our problems; I am the man who observes that these folks by their own admission are our problem, and I say get rid of the problem. Hitler blamed people for their misery, I blame nobody, but state that those who cry no mercy to the infidels should be shown no mercy in return. Silly ass bleeding heart. EZ | ||
| Edgydrifter |
And I say when you start advocating "eliminating a race" because you can't be bothered to figure out who among them is your enemy and who is your friend, you're as bad as the worst of them. Put the gun in your own mouth, ass. | ||
| Ezblast |
LOL - When you are willing to sacrifice your children, when you cry no mercy, when you scream for death to us all, then you are my enemy, and as you have asked you should receive. I make sense, your just a bleeding heart. EZ | ||
| Hitman44139 |
Hey edgy... I think there could have been a better or diplomatic way to make that same statement..... Your point was lost in your final sentence. | ||
| Ezblast |
No I don't really think wiping out a race of folks is a great idea, but what answers are they leaving us when they use such tactics - give in to their demands - now more than ever the cry should be no to that train of thought or they will continue with more demands. They are terrorists who need to be removed from any source of power. Are there innocents - sure, but they are the ones sacrificing theirs in the front lines - there can be little mercy there. They are a foolish people who will end up eradicating themselves and doing a lot of harm in the process. EZ | ||
| P_squared |
Problem is that it's not a 'race' advocating this. It's a faction of religion. Rounding up everyone that looks the same to the racial profile you advocate eliminating still won't solve the problem. | ||
| Edgydrifter |
Hitman, you are of course correct. In my defense, though, I don't know if diplomacy and civility are really appropriate when the other guy is advocating genocide. EZ--I've got no beef with going after terrorists. Give them a lead injection and the sooner the better. But what do you think is going to happen when you start indiscriminately wiping out whole communities? First, you're going to bolster and vindicate all the crazy-ass jihad blather that the PLO/Al-Qaeda/professional agitator types have spewing for years. That means more terrorists. Secondly, there are a whole lot of folks in places like Cairo, Dubai and Istanbul who are relatively "western" in outlook and have no dog in this fight. Level Medina and see how quickly that changes. Again, more terrorists. Want to really hurt them? Stop buying oil from the Saudis. Hyperwealthy Saudi ruling clan --> Wahhabi Islamic organizations --> networks of hard-core Wahhabi-doctrine madrassas --> jihadist/terrorist training camps. Follow the chain, follow the money. Starve the house of Saud and the enemy withers. Sure, it isn't as fast or easy as pulling a trigger, but it's a much more effective solution in the long run. | ||
| Aesquire |
Cityxslicker, good, you have a clue. No, Stalin did not "destroy" the Church, Nor did the Soviet Union destroy Islam in it's borders. Couldn't be done with using the methods of Tamerlane. ( kill them all ) But, for the life of the Communist Religion, it has been intolerant of others and has tried to suppress the competition for mens souls. It has failed, so far, but there are many who worship at the altar of the almighty State today. I understand the anger guys. It's a real %^$*)% that no one declares war back on the real enemy. But how? Do we send storm troopers to kill all the priests of a religion that is aggressive & intolerant? How do we know we've destroyed the last Koran? ( or Bible? this crap goes both ways ) Do we stupidly declare Wahabist Islam the problem, & kill all the students & teachers? I'd bet that would make other groups less likely to be rational. Besides, it's not the Wahabists ( Saudi ) or the Shiites or the Sunis that's the issue, its the culture of death that will go on until it's stopped. Until they stop playing children's programming that glorifies suicide bombing for God, we got a problem. I don't have a good answer. Nuking them all probably won't work. it's not moral anyway. Besides, when Iran nukes Tel Aviv, Mecca's getting it anyway, and that will suck. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I don't have a good answer. Nuking them all probably won't work. it's not moral anyway. morality?...that's a religious concept propagated by men because it constrains actions not conducive to a civil society. Without it, you have self-will run riot. Morality is not rooted in DNA or a cosmic truism. It simply is learned/taught behavior. Furthermore, your sense of morality might not jive with someone else, as evidenced by the clash of civilizations before our very eyes. So, to hell with morality and nuke them sons-o-bitches | ||
| Blake |
"( or Bible? this crap goes both ways ) " That is out of line. We don't have "Christian" nations who prohibit the free excercise of other prominent religions. We don't have a global network of Christians aiming to kill all freedom loving peoples. We don't have militant Christians spreading a swath of murder and hate the world over. That was out of line. Political correctness has no place in this discussion. | ||
| Aesquire |
I meant that evil people might seek to destroy all bibles. NOT knocking Christians. Sorry that was unclear. Most Christians havn't been aggressive, intolerant folk for a while. ( except the cretins that protest at servicemen's funerals claiming "God hates us because of fags". Could they be nuked too Ferris? ) | ||
| Gsilvernale |
Sure there are a bunch of nut-jobs in Alqaeda and Taliban. There are nut-jobs in every country - remember Oklahoma City. You can not declare war on nut-jobs. Too many places for them to hide. Unless you eliminate the hiding places. Weapons of mass destruction are not any good against these people. Open borders are. If the US could get the Pakistanis to let us go get them, Al Qaeda would be over in 6 months. Building up in Afhanistan is not going to get these guys out of Pakistan. Its almost retarded to think that without a change in the rules there that we will accomplish anything. If we get hit again, its not going to be Nukes that the bad guys worry about, it will be that we finally decide that they can not be allowed to hide. |
