| Author | Message | ||
     Sanchez |
"it's exactly what I've imagined my motorbike to look like if I was riding through the fiery gates in my after-life." Ha! I love it. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
Question 1: If this bike was intro'd with no badging, name or manufactuer. Would you still like it? Or do you like it because Buell offers it? If KTM or Honda intro'd this bike would you leave you're XB to buy it? Question 2: How many people riding Honda, Suzuki and Kawi's do you honestly believe will buy this Cr for their next bike? This isn't an entry level motorcycle, its made for folks who know how to ride, so that means that its aimed at getting new customers who probably ride metric. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Q1: Yes, yes, possibly. Q2: Who cares, I've got mine. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
who cares? Buell does. And you should. If you want to see Buell grow, or for that matter continue, then the success of selling these bikes to NEW buyers is a must. I think we all realize that Buell guys will continue to be Buell guys. Question is, is this bike a viable option for folks who currently own non-Buell motorcycles. Time will tell. | ||
| Sanchez |
Q1. Definitely. I love the aggressive look, and I love the fact that it doesn't look like every other cookie cutter Japanese bike. It's instantly recognizable. Q2. Lots of them, hopefully.  | ||
| Greenlantern |
Question 1: If this bike was intro'd with no badging, name or manufactuer. Would you still like it? Or do you like it because Buell offers it? If KTM or Honda intro'd this bike would you leave you're XB to buy it? yes, no and no . I bought my XB because it is an XB. Question 2: How many people riding Honda, Suzuki and Kawi's do you honestly believe will buy this Cr for their next bike? This isn't an entry level motorcycle, its made for folks who know how to ride, so that means that its aimed at getting new customers who probably ride metric. Kids and Squids? None. Seasoned Motorcyclists who know what they want in a "next" motorcycle? Could be a good many. There are a good many metric customers who will want to try something different out there, I know I was one of them. I liked most of my metric bikes and loved two of them but did not make brand loyalty a priority in my purchase of a new bike. The CR to many people paying attention ( and don't think for a second that a lot of riders are not)is version 2.0 of the R. That alone may stimulate the interests of those who shy away from first generation products. We usually only have the extreme two sides of the arguments on this board regarding bikes.(Performance vs. price vs. personality /ingenuity) I think the CR like myself falls somewhere in the middle and I suspect others will attest to that fact too, with their wallets. | ||
| 46champ |
I think it is another nibble at the fringe. Generation 3 needs to be a full faired bike that will look like the bikes that will be winning main line road racing events this coming year. An early release 2010 model in late May or early June. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I don't think this bike is targeted at the "me too" squid market any more than a Triumph or Ducati. Look at the average and demographic of the cross section of folks we have here on BW. We tend to be older (30-50), have ridden multiple bikes in the past (or are reentering the market), value characteristics other than strictly spreadsheet numbers, and are not likely to drill through our ECM by accident. It's the difference between the local ricer tuner crowd and the Corvette club. I seriously doubt that Buell will claim many away from the Gixxer community any more than Triumph will with the 675 or KTM with the RC8. The price prevents it, and the culture of peers prevents it. I believe that Buell will claim many who were looking at non-"mainstream" bikes (Buell, KTM, Triumph, Ducati, Guzzi, MV, Aprilia). This is the market. These are folks who want a different experience, a different look, a different bike. These are folks who will pay more to get it. Given that, Buell is positioned best from a "bang for the buck" standpoint. You get more band for the buck than an RC8, 1098, or RSV. You could own an 1125R and an 1125CR for the price of either the Ducati 1098S or the RC8. Let's not even discuss bang for the buck with MV. Buell is the Corvette Z06 to the super car market. There are those who WON'T buy it because it isn't european, but those wouldn't buy it regardless. Scoops or not. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
So you believe Buell is going for the same market they have now? "The Non-Mainstream Market" leaves the same 40 year old guys who are buying now, but just offer more hp and less looks of the Xb line.Then there is no growth. I was under the thought that Harley's new initiative is younger riders. The 1125's and the new Vrod Muscle were geared tword that end. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Looks are subjective. | ||
| Greenlantern |
"40 Year old guys" still fall within the main consumer demographic target, and at the sweeter (read more disposable income) end of that demo. Looks are subjective ( See " B-King and V-Max") I personally have yet to see a Twenty something on a Vrod though I see quite a lot of them on the road. Non-mainstream does not mean small growth, look at Apple and look up "Halo effect".The CR could well be a sales dud, but I suspect it would be on the grounds of bad / insufficient marketing and not the quality of the machine. Let's hope Buell learned from the Super TT. Imo of course. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
So you believe Buell is going for the same market they have now? "The Non-Mainstream Market" leaves the same 40 year old guys who are buying now, but just offer more hp and less looks of the Xb line.Then there is no growth. I was under the thought that Harley's new initiative is younger riders. The 1125's and the new Vrod Muscle were geared tword that end. I don't think HD's initiative was JUST for younger riders. It's for new sales. Do you not feel that a water cooled high performance power plant is NOT a draw to the new Buells that the XB line couldn't fullfill? Were there not a TON of folks who would never give Buell a chance because of the HD "lump"? I believe the access to the "younger" market is limited more by the price point of the bike than styling. How many 18-22 year olds buy a brand spanking new R1 or GSXR1K off the showroom floor vs. how many buy them used in the after market? What is the price point of an R1 or GSXR compared to the 1125R? How many are willing to take the economic "chance" on buying a bike that they may not like or would have reduced value in the after market? It's more than just the spec sheet or the styling that are factors in whether younger riders are willing to buy Buell or not. How many younger buyers buy KTM? How many younger riders buy Ducati? How many younger buyers buy Aprilia? How many younger buyers buy MV? Each of these have a far longer pedigree in the open market and by many here's accounts better styling. Why aren't there more younger folks knocking down their collective doors? There is a segment of the younger crowd that is unable to be penitrated. It doesn't matter what the styling is. They will always ride Red or Blue or Green or Yellow. They buy Japanese. They will always buy Japanese. Even if American looks Japanese, they will still buy Japanese. (Message edited by ft_bstrd on October 15, 2008) | ||
| Xl1200r |
Say it again. SAY IT AGAIN!!! | ||
| Xb12mel |
Hey Spidy... I was talking about the author! Unless I'm completely off my rocker, there is no carburetor on this bike. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Question 1: If this bike was intro'd with no badging, name or manufactuer. Would you still like it? Or do you like it because Buell offers it? If KTM or Honda intro'd this bike would you leave you're XB to buy it? The CR is my second favorite Buell currently available. I'm addicted to the looks and functionality of the front fairing on my R too much to give her up. If woulda been in the market for another neekid bike, the CR woulda been the one. Question 2: How many people riding Honda, Suzuki and Kawi's do you honestly believe will buy this Cr for their next bike? This isn't an entry level motorcycle, its made for folks who know how to ride, so that means that its aimed at getting new customers who probably ride metric. Can't say. depends on what they want. if they want a naked, v-twin powered café style bike, I would hope that a perspective buyer would have a look at the cr. If one were in the market for more of a super bike styled v-twin sport bike the R is a more appropriate choice. All this really depends on the people at HD/ Buell making sure thru marketing that these perspective buyers are aware that these bikes exists and what they are. | ||
| Sanchez |
The carb is right next to the chain.  | ||
| Sanchez |
> Triumph or Ducati Yeah, I'd compare the CR to a Triumph Speed Triple or other street fighter style bike. I know of no Japanese analog. I like those bikes because they look mean, and they're easily distinguishable from the big 4 Japanese manufacturers. The R6, GSX-R, CBR, and ZX6 all look pretty much the same to me. Nothing about their styling recommends one to me over the others. OTOH, the CR looks like nothing else on the road. | ||
| Glitch |
I want a 1125CR If for no other reason I like it, a lot. There needs to be no deeper meaning other than I want one. Buell's target audience are people that want motorcycles. | ||
| Bads1 |
the CR looks like nothing else on the road. Sure it does. It looks like a 1125R with front fairing off. It looks like xbr from the rear. Nothing against the bars but they are an aftermarket thought. It just a different head light. I like the engine don't care for the look because it has been used by Buell in past model's. The XB was fresh fro head to toe when it came out. I was hoping to see the same from the 1125 series of bikes. Sorry its just not for me. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Can I ride it in the dirt?..... Enough said. | ||
| Borrowedbike |
How is the EVO powerplant new from head to toe? How is the trany new from head to toe? Buell needs to use the Rotax in a LOT of models to make any sort of payback. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
The only thing I have to add is that I'm really drawn to the 1125R and CR. My next bike will be one of the two. Both are bad motor scooters!  As for drawing the ricer crowd to the buell line, my last bike was a CBR, nuff said. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Oh, I think we are just beginning to see the partnership with Rotax. I don't know what this is, but it looks really angry: Says it's a Rotax 800 Twin. | ||
| Ducxl |
Ducati will annihalate the competition with the "HyperFighter"  With an engine based on the 1098R | ||
| Bads1 |
How is the EVO powerplant new from head to toe? How is the trany new from head to toe? What Buell has done as refined it. Heads,pistons,FI,transmission shifts better then any of HD's Sportster's bar none. IMO Buell needs to maybe use it the Rotax in different chassis and completely different appearances. Does the 1098R look like a Monster. Does a Busa look like a B king,Does KTm's naked look like the RC8??? See this is what I'm talking about. The change isn't severe enough for me to make the purchase. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ducati will annihalate the competition with the "HyperFighter" At 1 1/2 times the price of the competition. For $15,000, it SHOULD beat an 1125CR. How many willing to pay that premium. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"How many younger buyers buy KTM? How many younger riders buy Ducati? How many younger buyers buy Aprilia? How many younger buyers buy Aprilia?" Buell isn't any of those. In some cases not even close. Buell has position in the market to avoid the "super delux" price tag all of those bikes mentioned above. You cannot tell me that with the styling and rider position they've chosen for the Cr, that going younger isn't the intent. I don't think Harley is going after the 17 year old with either the Cr, R or the Muscle, they're not going after the 40 year old either. To me they want the mid 20's, just got a jr exec job and now want a sporty bike crowd. The VR muscle pushes that, I'm not sure, with all the other competion out there, like Ducati, they're going to hit that market with the Cr. | ||
| Ducxl |
At 1 1/2 times the price of the competition What a CHEAP shot!!!! THere's always a smart alec answer as to why a superior bike is an unfair comparison. a spade is still a spade though  Did i forget to mention i like Buell too!} | ||
| Slamber777 |
Ft_bstrd. l believe that's an 800 2 stroke for a Skidoo sled. And they are very mean sled, from what l hear. | ||
| Bads1 |
John theres alot of younger generation on Duc's. At KTM is just getting started. Aprilia is also starting a new faze of its life. The 1125R is what it is. A compilation of 1125R to me. I'm part of the market and also have heard the same opinions from other's. It not a arguement for crumb's sake. I just don't care for either its not a crime. I like the Vrod but not muscle. If I was to buy a bike of that nature I'd choose the V-Max. Much more bike for close to the same money. |
