| Author | Message | ||
     Greenlantern |
Two wheels is two wheels when you are up against crap like this!   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,362147,00.html | ||
| Darthane |
HOLY @#$%! | ||
| Buellfighter |
Wow, what a POS in a POS. | ||
| Mikej |
There are multiple news links about this now, and I read that it made the morning talk shows. Graphic pictures on some of the links: http://www.hoytamaulipas.net/?v1=notas&v2=44203&ti t=Carrera_ciclista_termina_en_tragedia_en_Matamoro s photo links: http://www.hoytamaulipas.net/?PHPSESSID=616d762fe0 56876f0216f27114f8b903&v1=subseccion&v2=42# No link posted for this Brownsville story on http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?p= 1580307#poststop
Cyclingnews.com is reporting that it was a family fun ride and not a race. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/j un08/jun03news
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| Darthane |
The original link mentioned that a mob of people present were trying to 'lynch' the driver before authorities arrived. Can't say I blame them. | ||
| Dobr24 |
I now second guessing some one in a situation like this is unfair, but look at the cop car. From the way his nose is dipping he obviously veered out of the way of this car which then exposed the cyclist to the full brunt of the driver. I do not blame the cop! Self preservation is instinctual and I probably would have done the same thing. However if he had taken the brunt of the cars impact I wonder how many of the cyclists would have been killed? Being a cyclist and motorcyclist I hope they lynch this guy! | ||
| Mikej |
There is a post stating that the police car was behind a small group of lead riders indicating that his car was not in a position to take the full impact and prevent the oncoming car from hitting the riders.  imagelinked from forums.roadbikereview.com which was captured from mtbr.com's forums. | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
To protect and swerve? | ||
| Dobr24 |
Yeah, now that I see that it does appear as thought the cop was behind them. Very sad. Chris | ||
| Greenlantern |
Video of the aftermath.. http://news.sbs.com.au/worldnewsaustralia/mexico_c ycle_race_ends_in_tragedy_548351 | ||
| Swordsman |
WT bloody F!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cop shoulda' popped that guy in the head on the spot! ~SM | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
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| Tramp |
The 2008 Old Town "Summer's Eve" edition....in indestructible, spring fresh ABS construction | ||
| Birdy |
Happens all the time sad to say. You think bikers get a rough deal try riding a bicycle and see what rough is all about. Three members of a club I rode with were killed by a speeder and nine month later there still were no charges files. I've been run off the road (great fun for rednecks I guess as they had to make three passes) had stuff thrown at me, get hit by a beer bottle doing 70 MPH and you're dead. BUT by and large the powers that be do not see cyclest as "people" and the average drive sees someone who lost there drivers license, never mind that ONE of my bike cost half what my Buell did! Oh well I'll bring the rope you handle the tree and we'll sort them out. | ||
| Tramp |
"Oh well I'll bring the rope you handle the tree and we'll sort them out." always an intelligent statement to bring to the internet  | ||
| Greenlantern |
always an intelligent statement to bring to the internet Yeah what will the porn people think?  | ||
| Buellfighter |
Hmmm, rope and a tree might be to civilized. How about we see how many of those skinny bicycle mounted pumps we can pack inside him till he explodes. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I don't thing ATRGATT is going to help even half those people. | ||
| Dynasport |
Since my bike has been down, I have been riding my bicycle more. I feel much more at risk on the bicycle than I ever have on my motorcycle. | ||
| Cudajohn |
You really shouldn't be riding bicycle on busy highways anyway. Don't we tell our kids not to play in the street? Why? because slow moving people and bicycles are no match for cars that are traveling at or, usually, above the speed limit. A bicycle does not move fast enough, IMO, to warrant it being operated on a public ROADway with cars zinging by. Motorist have enough distractions. They even create many of their own distractions, we as moto fans know this about cages, so why would you think it would be "fun" to hop on a bike that you average, what? 15 mph? Less? Average? I have had to swerve over the yellow line into the other lane because moronic bikers were bunched up on a curve. I think bicyclists should have very few "rights" when operating a non-motor vehicle on a motor vehicle roadway. They pose a new risk for drivers when there are so many other risks already. That being said, malicious actions by drivers, threatening driving, or, obviously, drunk drivers should be handled and dealt with accordingly. It is tragic that this stuff happens but in my opinion it's like your participating in the Running of the Bulls. You might get poked! | ||
| Tramp |
Cudajohn, once again, brings up an interesting and laudable counterpoint. While it may or may not apply to the case at hand, it's a very salient point. Given the fact that bicyclists are permitted to operate on roadways, including interstates, without any training or certification coursework, they do pose a significant hazard to motorists traveling at the proscribed speeds. looking more closely at these shots, it would appear that the Mexican cop dropped the ball and neglected her/his duties as rear escort to this group. He/she should have been blocking the pack, and, clearly, he failed. To anyone who has ever dealt with our federal cops down below, this should come as a huge surprise  | ||
| Greenlantern |
Here is another stellar example of humanity at work. Be sure to click the video link on the right. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IGNORED_HIT _AND_RUN?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAU LT | ||
| Dynasport |
I would agree with CJ much more if my limited experience was different. I have been riding my bicycle only on streets with a speed limit of 35mph or less. Not busy highways. Still, I feel like my life is at risk (cars zoom by well in excess of the speed limit and barely move over to pass) each time out so I have changed my riding to only places with sidewalks. Bicycles are not supposed to operate on the sidewalks, but I would rather get ticketed for riding on the sidewalk than killed on the street. | ||
| Dynasport |
I think I'll stay out of Hartford as well. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
the cop car was in the right place. who would have thought some drunk guy would come down the road on the opposite side of the road. in florida, alot of roads are being built with the bicycle lanes with them and roads that get repaved also get the bike paths. up here in south carolina where you have a lot of bikers because of the weather and the hills, there is a big problem because these roads are barely big enough for compact cars much less a full size one then you add on the bicycles. accidents waiting to happen. i thought i heard that in some places that you have to give the bikes the right of way or risk getting ticketed. | ||
| Tramp |
I'm not sure I follow- in a 'before' shot, we see a cop car blocking traffic (as per protocol) directly behind the bicyclists. In the 'during' photo, (the article tells us they were hit from behind) the cop car is in the other lane, no longer protecting the riders. I have to be missing some key point, here. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
when i read it, it sounded like he was behind and no in front and the only thing the cop was able to do was get as far away so he woulnd't run over anyone that was already hit which was quick thinking on his part. | ||
| Tramp |
"I now second guessing some one in a situation like this is unfair, but look at the cop car. From the way his nose is dipping he obviously veered out of the way of this car which then exposed the cyclist to the full brunt of the driver. I do not blame the cop! Self preservation is instinctual and I probably would have done the same thing. However if he had taken the brunt of the cars impact I wonder how many of the cyclists would have been killed? Being a cyclist and motorcyclist I hope they lynch this guy!" I hope by "lynch this Guy", you mean the cowardly, derilict-of-his-duty cop. He was charged with protecting the lives of those cyclists, and his cowardice cost lives. (Message edited by tramp on June 05, 2008) | ||
| Iamike |
Cudajohn- Maybe you didn't have your vehicle under control when you had to swerve. If you didn't have the sight distance then you shouldn't have been going so fast. I have fought for years with my fellow bicyclists about their insane running of stop signs and such but we do still have a right to the road. Just like the idiot motorcyclists that make us look bad, there are idiot bicyclists too. Maybe we should ban them all from the road? | ||
| Dobr24 |
Wow, where do I start. Cudajohn, those are completely ignorant statements. Bicycles are never allowed to operate on highways. This was a cycling race. The road was closed to motorists traveling in the same direction as the cyclists. I would bet my years salary that the organizers of the race obtained all the legal permits to allow this race to happen. The motorist was drunk(first law broken) and crossed the double yellow line (second law broken). It was just dumb luck that the cycling race was going on, what would you say if it were a group of motorcycles he hit? The speed these cyclists were traveling had nothing to do with the accident neither did the mode of transportation they happened to be using. It is ignorant and blanket statements by people like yourself, who cannot take the time out of their busy day to safely and legally pass a bicycle, that really incite me. In my state cyclists are legally allowed to travel two abreast and we do so religiously as we provide a larger visual obstacle to drivers who are regularly speeding and constantly distracted while operating a large deadly weapon. Bicycles are required to obey the laws of the road like any other vehicle. I verbally abuse other bikers who ignore the rules of the road because I don't want to give some idiot any reason to decide to use his/her vehicle as a weapon. I have seen this first hand more times than I care to think about. I have been hit by a car. The driver failed to check his blind spot and ran into me while changing lanes sending me to the hospital. It would have made no difference whether I was in any other vehicle, he was just careless and I paid the price for his negligence. Cudajohn I would like to respond to some of your idiotic statements: "I have had to swerve over the yellow line into the other lane because moronic bikers were bunched up on a curve." If your above statement is true then you were traveling at an unsafe speed for the road and failed to control your motorcycle, your fault, not the cyclists. Perhaps you should attend a MSF class. I hear they can be quite educational with respect to learning to ride a motorcycle. "It is tragic that this stuff happens but in my opinion it's like your participating in the Running of the Bulls. You might get poked!" I hope that if you are hit by a drunk driver who is on the wrong side of the road your family has the same attitude about your risks while riding a motorcycle. Go get em Pokey! "I think bicyclists should have very few "rights" when operating a non-motor vehicle on a motor vehicle roadway." What gives you the right to determine why a certain group should or should not have "rights"? Apparently from your profile you are 28 years old and male. I believe that statistics show your demographic is one of the most dangerous groups and cause a significant number of accidents. Perhaps we should take away your "rights" to the road and we would all be safer! I am constantly amazed at the ignorance of humanity. I now understand why some animals eat their young... to stop them from procreating. To everyone else, Sorry for the rant! Chris |
