| Author | Message | ||
     Dynarider |
Anonymous 1 & 2 perhaps you'd like to state your facts to support such statements? 1 of the anon posts mysteriously disappeared. I think it was the one that stated MCN wasnt at the press release for the bikes. MCN gets a double hit for lack of integrity. First because they published a story on a press launch of 2004 Buell models that they agreed to embargo until the dealer show (no other magazine in the world broke this agreement), and secondly because they got so much wrong. Yet this anon says they agreed to hold off on the story so obviously they MCN does know something. Cant wait till next week to see which anon is correct..or if any of them are..or if we are all wrong & Buell introduces the world dominating V-rod powered 130hp Japanese slayer.  | ||
| Roc |
My WAG: same displacement, a small power bump, new color options, and maybe a touring bike. I'm thinking modular products and all of the benefits provided by that. | ||
| Rocketman |
If some of you so bloody righteous biking know it all's read MCN week after week like thousands of bikers do, in my own case I have for more than 25 years, you'd understand that it is the worlds premier weekly motorcycle publication. Put simply for some of you bone heads, if you really want the scoop chances are it will always be in MCN which is why the XB12S report is probably accurate. As it further happens I'd say MCN has been a good friend to the Buell marque over the years. Years back they ran a large feature on Just Harleys and their big bore tricked up S1 when most S1's were imported by small independent shops and most other publications hadn't even ridden a stock S1 let alone a tricked up one. A couple of years later MCN further reported on an Aerocharged S1 from an Austrian tuning shop and in which report they proclaimed it the most powerful V twin in the world, and long before most of you MCN naysayer bozos had heard of an Aerocharger. They don't just sit on the fence and test ride ordinary motorcycles, they go out on a limb to ride the unusual and the extraordinary which it seems includes Buells. They also have a fleet of long term test rides which changes periodically and most recently a Firebolt has been one of the long term fleet and despite several reported problems with the Bolt the test rider has never lost sight of how nice a bike he believes the Bolt to be and he has reported as such. Believe what you like but it seems to me reading between the lines that some of you are pissed because it wasn't an American publication that broke the story so you find it unbelievable. MCN were doing what they are good at, reporting on motorcycles like they have been for more than 50 years. Believe it even if it might be wrong, which it won't be! Rocket  edited by rocketman on July 11, 2003 | ||
| Anonymous |
Rocket -- I've read MCN for longer than you have. They frequently get facts wrong, particularly in their rumors, many of which seem to be generated internally, with little outside support. They got much, but not all, of this one wrong, and everyone who knows what they got wrong can't talk. You'll see on the 14th, and suffice to say, any new Buell product introduced then will be more exciting than the machine described in MCN. | ||
| Court |
>>>Yet this anon says they agreed to hold off on the story so obviously they MCN does know something. Dyna: Let me give you a glimpse of the REAL world. MCN DOES know. They, like all other members of the credible media have been to the medial press launch. They have seen, ridden, and been to glizty events featuring the new bikes. They (and yours tuly) have in their fat paws the 2003 sales literature and a media kit. The reason they are treated to this, well in advance of the public intro, is to allow them time to prepare, write and get stories ready for print so that it roughly cooincides with the unveiling of the product. In the past, the bike would show up at the dealers and then be on the cover of Cycle World 3 months later. The media intro was done FOR the media and, candidnly, for the manufacturer. All media agree to an "EMBARGO", basically an agreement that states they will withhold any info or photos until a certain date. A honorable media respect this. From time to time (and manufactures may deny this) the embargo is the subject of politics, i.e. we'll give you a week earlier date if you put us on the cover. Bottom line is that credible sources are indicating the MCN story lacks accuracy. This is not unusual for a rushed to press story. Yours truly has gotten the facts wrong and had to eat more crow than I'd like to admit. My suggestions is waste less bandwidth, accept the world the way it is, drink more iced tea, relax and wait until the 14th. Court | ||
| Rocketman |
They frequently get facts wrong, particularly in their rumors, That's the nature of the beast isn't it? Are not all magazine publications running an element of risk where an alleged scoop is involved? many of which seem to be generated internally, with little outside support. Conjecture on your part? They got much, but not all, of this one wrong, and everyone who knows what they got wrong can't talk. Hell dude they only reported a capacity increase with a guestimate of the power and torque output, the colour scheme, which they supported with a picture, and a suggested price and delivery date in the UK. WTF did they get so wrong? Tell you what, the boss has told me not to argue with you so I won't, but it will be interesting to see that on the 14th the XB12S will NOT be a 1200cc NOR will it be black frame\swingarm and red bodywork, gold wheels NOR will it be on sale in the UK later this year for approximately £7500. Remind me to cancel my subscription of MCN for such heinous crimes against Buell. It would have been nice, you having read MCN for longer than I, to have clarified or otherwise my point about their previous IMO good reporting on things Buell, after all you must be the expert on both subjects. Time to shut my mouth as my position on Badweb isn't as important as yours. Next time though I'll probably not bother wasting my time copying an article from any publication if all you Buell insiders can do is rip the shit out of it. Incidentally anonymous why don't you contact Adam Duckworth at mcn.letters@emap.com . As editor of MCN and you been such a long time reader of such an inaccurate publication I'm sure he'd like to know why you've read MCN for so long given your exalted position within Buell corridors. Anonymously Rocket  | ||
| Elvis |
Rocket, I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up. MCN's a great publication, and I haven't seen anyone state otherwise. At the same time, they have been known to print things that, while probably based on fact, weren't entirely true. Does anyone remember the "Sport Touring XB" they predicted a few months before the XB9S? Here are a couple more examples: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=69655&documentID=16601 http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=69655&documentID=15961 | ||
| Hans |
Will be the fourteenth earlier at this side of the pond.  | ||
| Mikej |
Open refrigerator, Insert head, Chill.  Words and opinions. It could just be that the MCN article was written before the press unveiling and MCN published it as a teaser. Time will tell. In the mean time if I can nurse my M2 back home since it started sputtering on the way to work today (probably just needs some carb attention or the alarm system is finally tits-up) I'll be running down to a local dealership with a tape measure to check some wheelbase measurements.  Bikes on consignment don't have to actually be running, do they? (Might be time for new plugs or moisture in the air.) grrrr | ||
| Darthane |
LOL...they mirrored the picture of that Blast...and weren't Blast-powered dirt trackers kicking the shit out of their competition? Underpowered and overweight, indeed. Sure, compared to a 125cc two-stroke. I'm just waiting for this Pro-Series intake for the Blast...it's high time he got some go-fast goodies. | ||
| Psychobueller |
Frankly, I think it's disgusting and unprofessional that MCN is going to press with ANY info on the new Buells before the release date. Some thanks to the factory for a sneak peek! | ||
| Elvis |
It could just be that the MCN article was written before the press unveiling and MCN published it as a teaser. This makes a lot of sense. They probably feel that any information the received prior to the introduction is fair game, and it would explain why they don't have any actual numbers (I'm sure horsepower/torque values would have been provided at the introduction). The photo also looks like a well used model. Not a shiny new one shot in a studio to be released as an "official" photo. | ||
| Mikej |
"The photo also looks like a well used model. Not a shiny new one shot in a studio to be released as an "official" photo." Plus it doesn't have the V-Rod radiator. | ||
| Jim_witt |
Rocket, What the fuck, chill out dude. Sounds like you're going through with drawls or something. Nothing has changed around here, all the same personalities and pecking order as far as I know. Calm down, -JW:> | ||
| Rebelgtp |
anyone notice in the MCN article posted above about the Blast powered trail bike that at the end they said Buell is also working on a water cooled bike? And yeah the Blast powered dirt trackers have kicked their share of butt and turned out to be really good racers. To bad on those race bikes there is no mention on Buell only Harley. | ||
| Dynarider |
Court, you must have me confused with Rocket for the time being. I am relaxed & chilled completely. Look at my posts, no bitching no speculating, etc. Simply posting what I have seen on other sites. I have not even given my own impression of the supposed new bike as I am waiting till the "official" unveiling to do so. I do find it curious that one of the anon posts that Rocket alluded to has been deleted however. | ||
| Funjimmy |
I'm with Rocket on this one. Nothing worse that some smart A$$ coward who has to post as anon. It's good to get the adrenalin flowing when you are passionate about a topic! Cheers Rocket. Keep the shitheads accountable! | ||
| Cjmblast |
Look at my posts, no bitching no speculating, etc. Your worry me Dyna, you are going soft !! LOL CJM  | ||
| Racerx1 |
MCN just released this video of the new 2004 Buell! http://images.motograndprix.com/multimedia2/219/219200.wmv | ||
| Aesquire |
Rocket, Keep it up, man! Even if the MCN article is a teaser, released early, that's a cool pic. I enjoyed it. | ||
| Oz666 |
Hmmmmm. Buell released the XB, many bitched about not enough power, no OHC, ect. Just forget that it was targeted at people who like CURVES. I wanted a touring bike (still have my S3T), but do like and appreciate the 9S. NOW - lots of rumours about HD putting the XR motor in a street bike AND $1000 off ANY XB at the local dealers - I think something is in the works, yes I do. And should this all come together AND be the new Buell - MANY WILL STILL BITCH!!! Me? I think once again Erik and the Elves will create for us something most cannot appreciate let alone use to its full potential.  Oz | ||
| Uwgriz |
Damn work computers with no audio. &*@%#&%!!! | ||
| Rebelgtp |
"...NOW - lots of rumours about HD putting the XR motor in a street bike AND $1000 off ANY XB at the local dealers -..."OZ uh XR is already a HD motor. you talkin about HD takin over the XB motor or them doing soming with the VR motor lol...so many rumors...so many engine designations...  | ||
| Cro13 |
Blake has been a total hard case about using Anonymous (no offense intended, his board his rules) so what makes some of you think that he would just let some know-nothing come in and spout with out outing him/her. Obviously Blake feels that Anonymous has a degree of creditability. And what does this person get for their trouble? A great big smack in the face, if he/she could say who they were don't you think they would? If that person is someone creditable (I’m guessing they are) do you think they will come back next time to try to shed some light? I for one thank Anonymous for taking the time to come and help clear some things up. Carter Smith 03 XB9R | ||
| Sarodude |
Well said Carter. Everyone lay off the anons. Go piss in someone else's Cherios. If ya don't believe it, fine. If ya wanna say so, fine. Just don't start flaming them or Blake. Anyway, we're just days away from the Official Truth. I think most of us have heard enough to have a good enough guess as to what's JUST on the horizon. -Saro | ||
| Rocketman |
Cheers Rocket. Keep the shitheads accountable! FINEST WORDS I'VE READ ON BADWEB IN AGES ROTFLMFAO sides splitting!!! Let's get something straight here dudes, Rocket is chilled thank you. Very, in fact. But what a bunch of whinging pansies some of you are. Please don't kiss and tell it's not the 14th yet, suck suck suck. This is a BUELL forum. Let's not forget that. Any scoop should be taken on its merit. As a long time reader of MCN and a somewhat slightly knowledgeable person on the odd thing Buell I'd be tempted to give the MCN story some credit, especially so given that we're told here on Badweb to expect something on the 14th. To my surprise it's not the fact that some of you don't or won't give merit to MCN it's simply the depth of your disbelief in what very little they actually did say. I think it's some of you bozos that need to chill especially those insider anon's. On the subject of Anon's, well I'm sorry but where this topic is concerned I just don't get it. We are at minus 4 days and counting before this alleged new Buell rears its head to the world. Wednesday just gone MCN publishes a few words and a picture in a British weekly motorcycling newspaper allegedly about and showing said new Buell some 5 days ahead of the official launch date, but taking care NOT to place their 'scoop' on their web site, and what happens? Well we get a Buell insider posting on Badweb anonymously to tell us that MCN pretty much got most of what very little they said wrong. This is a BUELL forum so why not give the Buell fans a treat? What could possibly be so commercially wrong given there's only a mere handful of days before official launch, in giving us faithful Buell fans our very own scoop right from the horses mouth? It's funny to me how you never come here with gifts of frankincense and myrrh for us Buell die hards yet you expect of us to invite you in warmly and anonymously to protect what? Out of the closet I say. Subversively yours, Rocket | ||
| Elvis |
Geez Rocket, Christmas around your house must be anticlimactic.  | ||
| Seeeu911 |
well said rocket man. | ||
| Vr1203 |
Launch it on the BWB! here,here Bravo  good chap | ||
| Hoser |
Jim's right I can't think of a better place to unveil new product , after all it's us that are expected to be the potential buyers !! |
