| Author | Message | ||
     Thumper74 |
So the gun safe that we had to take the door frame out of the wall for would be illegal? I'm surprised. I would think making your weapons inaccessible to undesireables (kids, felons, etc) would be a positive thing... When I took my Concealed Carry class, I met a gentlemen (ex German special forces) moved to California for the scenery and work. He left when he found out about the crappy laws. | ||
| Johntman |
Pwnzor, Yes it sounds as if you have had serious bad luck, and understand your point of view. but on lighter note you really need to move... did you know the state of California found that living in California could cause cancer or birth defects? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
California, one of the most beautiful places on earth corrupted by some of the dumbest humans ever to draw breath. | ||
| Pwnzor |
My gun safe was (still is) in the garage. You roll the door up, and there it is. I hold on to guns for a number of different people who don't own safes but have small children, doing the responsible thing. I love firearms. Always will. Nothing will stop me from owning them, I am a citizen, not a subject. I abide by the constitution of the United States of America, which I also love. This corrupt and broken legal system will not get the best of me. I will not move just because the local sheriffs have become the enemy. They can move, but I love my home, my neighborhood, the weather, pretty much everything. My appeal process will take me well into the next decade, but I'm a young man, and at the end of it I will win. And in the mean time, I will continue to live my life, my way. Move... to where... Alaska? Hell, if it gets so bad I have to move, it will be Australia. Down under, they pull up to SEVEN trailers behind a tractor, and that is something I'd like to try in my life. | ||
| Jimidan |
They told me that they would be "derelict in their duties" if they did not then go to my residence and search for evidence of a marijuana growing operation. "Ridiculous", I said. "Maybe so, but this can go two ways," said the investigator, "you can go to jail right now and I'll call a judge with whom I am well acquainted, obtain a warrant, and go to your house. Your wife and kids will have to vacate the residence while we effect our search, which will be very invasive and thorough. OR, you can sign this consent form, go with us to your residence, your kids can stay in their rooms, and we will search only your bedroom and the common areas of the house." By this time, it was about 3:30am, I've been handcuffed and stuffed in the back of the patrol car for about 90 minutes, and I'm feeling like my options are getting scarce. I had nothing to hide, so I consented. I didn't want to go to jail. As a former criminal investigator, that sir, is what we call coercion, and it is against the law. Just because it is against the law, does not keep cops from doing it on the street thousands of times a day in this country. Search and seizure laws have been turned upside down since the beginning of the drug war during the Nixon administration. The right of privacy is a joke, as the officers can do anything the want as long as they say something like, "I smell marijuana in here." You no longer have a reasonable expectation of privacy anywhere in a vehicle due to the drug war...and the Patriot Act. We are becoming a police state, like it or not. | ||
| Jimidan |
California, one of the most beautiful places on earth corrupted by some of the dumbest humans ever to draw breath. I heard that was Texas...what gives, are there two places now? Well, at least they are all well  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Joe Horn for President! | ||
| Pwnzor |
We are becoming a police state, like it or not. Hear, hear! Welcome to the Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia. (DPRK.) | ||
| Daves |
Ummm, If you want to keep your guns you do not want to move to Australia | ||
| 07xb12scg |
Haha! Videos like this crack me up. He was all tough and hard until he got tazed. Then he sounded like a little bitch. He got what he deserved. It's about time we crack down HARD on crime, ALL crime. Maybe it will bring this country back into line. And when people die after being tazed...SO WHAT! If they would have respected authority and done what they were supposed to they wouldn't have gotten tazed. Darwinism anybody? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
And when people die after being tazed...SO WHAT! If they would have respected authority and done what they were supposed to they wouldn't have gotten tazed. Here is one that doesn't fit your black and white view................................ Hearing Impaired Man Tased by Police Posted: Dec 3, 2007 10:35 PM (Wichita, KS) Donnell Williams had just gotten out of the bath tub, wearing only a towel around his waist, when he turned the corner to see guns pointing right at him. "I ain't never been so scared," says Williams. Police forced entry into Williams home while responding to a shooting, but it turned out to be a false call. They had no idea at the time the call wasn't real and that Williams is hearing impaired. Without his hearing aid he is basically deaf. "I kept going to my ear yelling that I was scared. I can't hear! I can't hear!" Officers were worried about their own safety because at the time it appeared Williams was refusing to obey their commands to show his hands. That's when they shot him with a Taser. Deputy Chief Robert Lee of the Wichita Police Department says, "This one occurred on the worst of calls, that being a shooting. The first few minutes getting control of the scene are very, very important." Once the facts were all sorted out, officers repeatedly apologized to Williams. Police wish it never happened, but with the information they had at the time, their choices were limited. "Do I wish there would have been some way they were notified in advance this gentleman was hearing impaired? I certainly do. No one is happy with the way it worked out," says Lee. Williams was not hurt in the incident. Police say the shooting call came from a cell phone but they still don't know who made it or why. The case is being reviewed by the department. | ||
| Dtx |
I hope that man gets every last penny he can get out of them. Someone has to be responsible for their actions. The police are not above "personal responsibility." What a bunch of BS. I hate hearing stories like that. (Message edited by dtx on December 04, 2007) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yeah, we'd hate to have the police make an honest mistake not knowing the guy was deaf. Bastards. Plus, we ALL know deaf people can't operate fire arms. What were they thinking? | ||
| Bill0351 |
That situation is EXACTLY why the Tazer is such a nice piece of gear. I can say from personal experience that being Tazed SUCKS! It sucks at a level that is hard to believe. I have never been shot in the chest, but my father has. From his description of it and the amount of scar tissue he wears from the experience, I am pretty sure it sucked more than being Tazed. Those cops made a mistake, but it is one thing to have to say you're sorry for mistakenly Tazing a guy. It is another to say you are sorry to the guy's family for killing him. I have to say, I don't have an automatic trust for cops. I have had way too many bad experiences for that. There are great ones, average ones, and there are complete losers that don't deserve to wear a badge. No matter who it is, I would rather have one point a tazer at me than a Glock. | ||
| Brokeneck |
I work for the Denver Paramedic Division -- we are the ones DPD calls after they "tase" someone (to remove the "fishhooks") -- in 7 years I've never seen someone who was "tased' that didn't have it coming -- | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Fear the flying fish hooks. | ||
| Jimidan |
Plus, we ALL know deaf people can't operate fire arms. What were they thinking? Yeah, and we ALL know that black men carry a big gun under that towel after just getting out of a tub...at least it looked like a big gun to those white cops...  What part of "I can't hear, I can't hear (pointing to his ear)" didn't they understand? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I'm pretty sure that even deaf people have seen at least ONE cop show in their lives. When several silent irate looking police officers are pointing guns at you, you don't need to hear to know that you should probably lie down, on your face, with your hands where they can see them. Once the officers stop yelling and feel you are under control, they are much willing to hear from the suspect. It doesn't matter if they thought he had a weapon on his person or not. He could run, fight, or retrieve a weapon. None of these is possible if he's cuffed and subdued. Being tazered sucks, but 99.9% of the time it isn't life threatening. I also like the idea of shotgun bean bags. Non-leathal yet effective. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Ummm, If you want to keep your guns you do not want to move to Australia I've done my research. They have very tight laws controlling handguns, but for the most part I can keep all my rifles. It will take the best part of a year to get them into my possession once I arrive there, but the majority of my collection is permissible there. | ||
| Bill0351 |
We used those beanbags in Iraq for crowd control. They put a serious hurt on someone. They can kill if they are used too close, and they can also kill little kids if they are hit by mistake. That, and they only really work on pain compliance. They are great for peeling a hijacker off of a transport truck, but I think the Taser is better for basic civilian law enforcement. One nice thing about things like a Taser and other less than lethal stuff is that the people know you will use it (as long as they know what it is). You could level a .50 cal at a group of looters and they would ignore you. They knew you wouldn't turn the street into a blood bath for a few dozen cases of water. If you jacked a round into a pump shotgun though, they knew what was coming, and they would scatter like flies! Bill | ||
| T9r |
What about this one? Another taser incident for going 70 in a 65mph zone! Courtesy of the Austin Police Department Full video of the Cpl. Thomas O'Connor stop of Eugene Snelling on MoPac on Thanksgiving 2006. (Message edited by t9r on December 05, 2007) | ||
| Johntman |
OK... That was screwed up, and he was a corporal. Anybody know where that was so I'll never go to work there. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I don't know what the issue was or what the officer saw or THOUGHT he saw, but I'd say that that instance was over the line. He did ask several times, but he didn't really give him a chance to get his license and proof of insurance. 5MPH over probably wasn't what got him pulled. No license plate on the rear probably did, but it looked like there was a plate in the back window. I'd say that this officer got some taser retraining after this incident. He did seem to have a short fuse. | ||
| T9r |
Both links refer to videos in this Post. Police Departments Uphold Use of Tasers in Traffic Stops in Utah and Texas http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/21/2103.asp "Maybe I did come across as abrupt," O'Connor said. "It's 1:10 in the afternoon and I have [redacted] so I hadn't eaten. And that is a problem when you get [redacted] is you're, it makes you kind of edgy."" Taser Outrage (Inside Edition) http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/inside_sto ries/story.aspx?storyid=1099 | ||
| Cowboy |
TASER a good tool if not in the hands of nervous bully. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I'm no bully... but it's a damn good thing I don't have a TASER. I can think of at least three people I bumped into today that could use a good TASERing. | ||
| Cowboy |
As I am not a LEO I would like to know---what would happen if you were to hit a man in his billfold or thick leather belt top of his boot or some place where there was no flesh. would you pull the Glock or just haul your a$$. Inquiring minds want to know. he he | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Can you taser through race leathers? What about the Icon flak jacket armor? | ||
| Brinnutz |
"Don't Tase me Bro!" Sorry, probably has been said, I couldn't resist. Just got done typing a paper on Less than Lethal weapons..=) | ||
| Johntman |
Taken directly from the taser site... Patented Shaped Pulse technology uses a highly refined energy pulse that concentrates a small portion of energy to first penetrate the barrier, while the majority of electrical charge is held in reserve, flowing freely through the barrier once the leading edge has penetrated. The Shaped Pulse is comprised of two pulse phases. The first phase, called the “Arc Phase” is optimized to generate a very high voltage to penetrate clothing, skin or other barriers. The “Arc Phase” is a very high voltage short duration pulse that can arc through up to 2 cumulative inches of clothing or barriers, or one inch per probe. So to answer your question yes it will go through your race suite and belt. |
