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Daves
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had 17,000 miles on my first street bike(a Kawasaki 400 Triple) before I had a lic. of any kind. Guess that makes me a bad example. Of course that was in the days when people didn't sue everyone for everything.
I'm sure none of us(except me) have done any illegal things with bikes,cars,lawnmowers,fireworks etc when we were young.

Ride to the edge!
Dave
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Elvis
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sure, I've done stupid, illegal things in the past, and I still do stupid, illegal things today.

I'm embarrassed about those sort of things, and I wouldn't post on here expecting people to think it was cool. If I speed, I'm endangering the people around me for my selfish need to save a little time, or get a little thrill. Yes, I speed, but I'm not proud of it, and I don't expect anybody to congratulate me.
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Kevyn
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Aahhh well, doin' illegal things --as in socially harmful and unacceptable-- as opposed to doin' things illegally...

...I was wobbling along the sidewalk without training wheels(seems like yesterday) just knowing that a great adventure was just around the corner ahead, next thing I know, we're racing through the alleys and vacant lots, making our own jump ramps, removing the restrictors from our mini-bikes(2-strokers)and sneaking out at night to race 'em across pastures...without a MSF course or any kind or "legal" endorsement or insurance...and it wasn't until a flood or Honda's hit town that the local gendarms did anything besides tell us to keep 'em in the dirt and off the streets!!

Had the 'rents' permitted, I certainly would have had a motorcycle. The only reason to have a 'cage' was to stay warm in the winter time and dry on the way to school, a cozy place to get away with the gf and to carry a gun so we could do some recreational target practice or hunt.

I did not have a "legal" MC endorsement until I had to ride on a military installation...and I have ridden the past 22 years without the ballyhooed endorsement and would have continued down the road were it not for a miscreant county nazi boy who decided that my business would be his business...On yeah, I have insurance on three bikes. I wear safety gear, have wrecked several times and been hurt worse in a cage and on a ski slope.

Life is unpredictable. I'm not sure that the Hayden klan all started at a legally prescribed point and look where they are today.

14 is a fine age to be enjoying an XB. Just remember to pay close attention to spelling and grammar also, it will serve you well later in life when you recount your exploits and adventures.
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Kevyn
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh yeah, congrats on the speed thing Elvis!
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Elvis
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"keep 'em in the dirt and off the streets!!"

So even in the days of optional seatbelts when we thought asbestos was good for us, they didn't want kids riding motorcyles in the streets?!?!

It seems you've just proven the point.
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

from the sounds of it, the young man is a leagally-licensed driver in his state . . . . and now YOU want to have a say where and when he should excersize his privelidge, Elvis? wow

btw . . . .I submit that MOST people do not equate dangerous with illegal . . .. .. I think most would equate illegal with something they don't like . .. . . or wish for that, in any event

the gentleman has shown way more responsibility and drive than most people several times his age . . . so I repeat, way to go, man

btw, I'd just as soon that folks that use screen names of dead, fat roack stars don't ride in my neighborhood . . . .that donesn't make it illeagal (that goodness {grin})
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Daves
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When I was 14, riding my bike, it was pretty cool! Don't care if you think so or not.
We don't let dead fat rock stars ride in our town either! You crack me up Bomber, thanks!

Ride to the edge!
Dave
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Dave
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...and I think I was on a ride once where people exceeded the speed limit and passed on a dbl yellow.

It sounds like BuellBlastRider and his Father have things under control. Step aside and let parents parent. Hopefully skills and maturity were assessed.

DAve
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Csg_inc
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Blast rider

Way to go! I give you a lot of credit and wish you well.

Ok guys lighten up....The guy is legal, he has a license, parental permission and he bought it with his own money. Man way to go.

The only issue seems to be it is bigger than a 125. Big deal. I remember a lot of two stroke 125's that would flat out fly. Were any of you guys around in the seventies?

So now the guy has a slower than some 125's that is certainly safer than the mid seventy bikes and he is looking forward to his next purchase. Even got his dad to take him on the test drive.

Like I said way to go!

DAVE

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Elvis
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bomber,

He isn't licensed to ride anything over 125 cc.

If Tennesse wants to pass laws allowing 8 year olds to drive, that's fine with me and I never said otherwise.

I only said that I'm not going to congratulate him. If you want to congratulate him, that's fine. Just seems silly to me.
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Csg_inc
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok Let us try out the Blake formula (sorry Blake I mean no disrespect).

A single 500cc air cooled should be in the class of a twin 250cc water cooled, which would be in the same class as a 125cc two-stroke.

So then he really is just blasting around in the 125 class.

DAVE
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Elvis

honorable men disagree all the time . . .. nuthin wrong with that at all . . . .

glad to know that there's still a person in the country that observes all laws without exception

just as a data point, my congratulatins were on the fact that he's accomplished more by 14 than many folks twice his age, in terms of carrying his own weight
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Cjmblast
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The guy is legal, he has a license, parental permission and he bought it with his own money. Man way to go.

I agree !!! Yeah so it's bigger than 125 cc's, he's riding and posting and sounds like he's enjoying himself and is very excited about it !!

Have you guys forgot what it's like to be excited about things and being young and doing things you shouldn't have ?? Good Lord it's what makes boys into men, if his Dad's involved I'm sure they have it under control, and most people who become really good at something began by pushing the normal limits !!

And to buy a bike with your own money at that age sounds pretty mature to me !!

I have a son of my own, and I know what they are like and you can't always expect them to stay out of trouble, you just gotta pray for them !!

Good job BuellBlastRider !! Don't worry about the "sour grapes" attitude of some !!

CJM
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Cjmblast
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

glad to know that there's still a person in the country that observes all laws without exception

Yeah right !

By the way Bomber, you crack me up too, dead fat rock star !!

CJM
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Blake
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Letter of the law: Nothing over 125cc.

Intent of law: Nothing too big or too fast.

I think a Buell Blast meets the intent of the law. Don't get me started on displacement based limits that disregard all other major parameters affecting engine performance. I'd be very surprised if the Japanese factories did not have a hand in formulating that brand biased law. There are plenty of watercooled 125cc Japanese machines that will go faster than a Blast yet whose brakes and handling are far inferior. Which is more dangerous?

Give the young man a break. His dad is obviously comfortable with the risk; consider that dad would be the one having to pay or do time as a result of any tragic event; dad is the responsible party allowing the young man to ride the Blast. And there isn't ONE of us here who at the age of 14 being given permission by our parents wouldn't have happily and eagerly taken to the street on a motorcycle. How many of us have never taken the MSF course? I bet BuellBlastRider has.

Some of you are frighteningly judgmental.
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm not about to tell anyone what I used to do when I was 12 years old that involved motorcycles. And I never break the speed limits.;) (I also haven't followed this discussion in it's entirety, and think instead I'll go read the entire tire thread instead of treading any deeper herein.)
Ride on.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One of the biggest thrills I ever had was riding my dad's CB360 up and down the street when I was 15. Most of TN is fairly rural. I think he'll be OK. It sounds like he has his wits about him.
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Buellblastrider
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ok first off i want THANK the peoples have in some way supported me, helped me out, or atleast not give me a hard time. I want especially thanks dave blake and bomber (there others worthy of credit and they know who you are) now blake you are right i have taken a MSF coarse and thats how i got my license, i walked in handed them the certificate they gave when i passed the voarse and they gave me my license. I have been riding dirtbikes since i was 5 so i have experience ( NOT saying i am the best or better than most of the guys here) I appreciate the people who recognize that buying saving up with my money i don't go BLASTing through the streets, because i worked to hard to get my bike and i'm not going to lose it if i can avoid it. I would like to say my maturity level is higher than most people my age. I pay for my insurance and my dad is aware of all risk and accepts them. like i said i ride with him (on seperate bikes) I'm not offended by the person that said that they don't want me riding around their neighborhood because of their son, because i don't go fast in neighborhoods and besides keep your son out of the road. (don't take that wrong i am just saying that i ride more safely than MOST 20-25 year olds. i like bombers state ment. where he said you are trying to control where and when i go. you (the people that apply) are not parents and dyna its not any of your bussiness because i haves been riding for a while, i ride responsibly, i paid for my own bike, i'm licensed, i'm insured, and most importantly YOUR NOT MY DAD. you said you pay for my joy riding but i don't see where that comes in because if i wreck and i get sued then i pay for it, i payed for the coarse, i pay for my oil and other stuff, i paid for my license. what really eats me up is you all (again those that apply) are fighting over something that is a small issue and we have a common interest and that should make us wanna be close friends but these people that try to put me down because their older and think they know whats best for me make me wana quite the whole motorcycle thing. i had a guy curse me out because in 90 degree whether i was leaning up on one of the post that surrounds t shirt vendors (i'm sure you know what i am talking about) i was planning on buying a shirt. i couldn't steal it even if i was that way because to much security. but just think about what you are arhuing over
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Dynarider
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i'm insured, and most importantly YOUR NOT MY DAD. you said you pay for my joy riding but i don't see where that comes in because if i wreck and i get sued then i pay for it,

WRONG, you are not insured. You are not licensed for that bike on the street so if you are involved in an accident insurance wont cover it, plain & simple. It is my business because its just those types of situations that cause all of our insurance rates to increase.

If you & your dad get sued, where do you think the money comes from???
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey man, don't take anything anyone says here personally. Most people who post here are pissed off that they are at work and not out riding and get a little carried away. People here say what is on their mind, and you should feel free to do the same, barring any personal attacks of course. You certainly should not give up motorcycling because of something some random person says on a BBS. We all have our disagreements here, but we keep coming back because overall, this is a good place to be. The KV has certainly increased my enjoyment of my X1 in the real world. So stick around, you WILL learn something, and you may teach us all something.

Jeff
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Buellblastrider
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

you know jeff your right so i am just going to any "haters" ( i usually don't use that but its appropriate in this case) but before i go AND RIDE MY BUELL BLAST i wanna say that since you have nothing better in your to ,dyna, than to argues with a 14 year old remember that i am insured because the insurance company knows it a 500 and they know i ride and its only in my dads name because i'm 18. and just so you know i have some relatives that are wealthy ( not my immediate family we are normal 4 car 3 motorcycle 2 story house people) so if i need the money i could get it which proves another good point i worked for my own bike insteafd of trying to get money of others.
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Csg_inc
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Dyna

If he and/or his dad gets sued. They write a check or pay cash. I do not see how that costs you one thin dime.

I used to work for a company that was self insured. So if there was a claim (and yes there were many) they just wrote a check. Done deal no big thing.

It happens all the time.

DAVE
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Buellblastrider
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

just looked at your pro and realized (dyna ) that is sounds like you mad because my buell is holding up and i am getting another and yours was abused and died on you. talk about me rasing your insurance mr. 135 on X1, 120 on Dyna, 155 on a 92 Honda CBR (thats what your profiles says
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Dynarider
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good for you, at least you can read.

BTW I felt I should inform you that I took the liberty & called the Kingsport police dept & informed them they had a 14yr old male riding illegaly on a Black 2000 Buell blast.

BTW, no insurance company is gonna say..oh sure we will insure your bike even tho you are improperly licensed.
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

sheesh . . .another fairly interesting thread that now needs to be avoind because of the thought police . . . . . .

Hey, kid, enjoy your scoot, you earned it . . . .. . I hope to ride with you one day . . .me, I'm going elsewhere before I have people threatening to call the cops in my neighborhood cuz I'm making rude gestures at fat dead rockstars on their baggers . . . . .. .

some of you folks need to lighten up a bit . . . .go fer a ride
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Darthane
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"BTW I felt I should inform you that I took the liberty & called the Kingsport police dept & informed them they had a 14yr old male riding illegaly on a Black 2000 Buell blast."

Boy, I hope that's your idea of a good joke, 'cause that's just mean. You sure can be a petty, pathetic...

...and in my experience, insurance companies really aren't that particular. They willingly insured my bikes for over a year even though I only had my permit, and Blast's got an actual license.

Blast, ride on, be careful, and don't let Dyna get you down. I think you nailed his problem a couple of posts ago. As for me, I agree with Bomber. Time to ignore this thread and go for a ride. The day's too nice for this shit.

Bryan
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A couple of years ago they had an award at the Buell Homecoming, one for the oldest person there, one for the youngest. Dyna knows who the oldest one was as he frequents SacBORG, don't know if Dyna knows "Q" though. Q was 14 at the time, and was licensed to ride his own bike, rode it all over the Milwaukee area. If I remember right the only requirement on Q's license was that he be riding with an adult, not sure if it had to be a family member.

I also don't know if this posting has any relevance to the thread of discussion. Take it or leave it as you may, but it is the truth as I remember it. Q was fourteen years old and licensed and insured to ride his own bike, Jack is somewhat older but definitely not slower.
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Josh_
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Q was also jumping his Buell off the sidewalks like it was a BMX. Too funny.

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Buellblastrider
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thats fine dyna seeing how you seem to have a pretty pathetic life (all you do is sit behind computer making threats) well guess what i called the sherrifs office told them my position and asked if i had any complaints and he said that no one has called about me and that a officer will not even give me a warning for riding if i was to be pull over they would just tell me to go on because they have better things to do than worry about 1 of millions of kids who are doing exactly the same as i am. so go get your diaper changed you baby and come back to me when you become a good liar
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Daves
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh no! A kid riding his motorcycle on the sidewalk!!!! I remember Q, pretty cool kid.
I'm really starting to like Buell blastrider too! Smart enough to look in Dyna's profile for things to give him shit about.

Ride to the edge!
Dave
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