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Lowflyer
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 03:03 pm: | 
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Call it "grotesque and inexcusable" but people here are free to do whatever they want and that includes adopting foreign kids. To poo-poo on their right to choose which orphans to adopt based on some paranoid, politically motivated bias is un-American. Are you really Michael Newdow in disguise? Just kidding..no, really..are you?
Back on topic: Tripp, I would be willing to donate so long as my genitals are not flayed open to do so.  |
CJXB
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 04:39 pm: |
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How much different is it to adopt a foreign baby leaving a US baby not adopted and selling sperm leaving US babies not adopted and without homes as well !!???
Have you ever met any foreign Chinese, Cambodian, African or whatever adults who were adopted as babies ?? They are usually raised in good homes and are as American as you and I and even more than some folks US born !!
The idea that China is adopting out those babies to be raised in American homes in order to gain "world domination" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard !!  |
Triumph900
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 05:25 pm: |
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I'm a bit late to this, but wanted to chime in. My wife had an issue which made IFV our only option. We decided to give a try. They implanted 5 embryos, and away we went. It was the longest and most nerve-racking 40 weeks of my life...BUT, now our boy is 7 years old, and the best thing to ever happen to me.
What I'm saying is, it's a long and difficult process, but it's worth the effort in the long run. Don't be discouraged, and keep trying.
Best of luck to you. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 05:30 pm: |
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Clearly, you've never visited China.
Please get back to me after you have.
ummmm..further- donating sperm does NOT leave
babies unadopted.
Does donating blood leave unwell people alive, against nature, illicitly breathing our air? I certainly don't see it that way, but evidently we're playing cause and effect with numbers....
first, Cjxb- you attack my choice to donate sperm for those who can't produce the stuff, on some sort of hazy proto-roe v wade grounds of creating virtual bastards...then you attack my argument that here in America, we have far too many unadopted orphans (ready to give their right arms for some love), to even consider seeking foreign adoptees.
I'm feelin' a little stalked, again, CJxb.
What can i say that won't be attacked by you, personally? Maybe I'm on the wrong board., after all.
I really was starting to like it, here.
could you just, for once, stalk someone else's posts, just to make it less coinceidental? |
Nitsebes
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 05:53 pm: |
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I'm feelin' a little stalked,
TRAMPSY LOHAN |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 05:57 pm: |
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I didn't say I agreed with his notions, only understood them.
From what I have seen here and read in his posts, Tramp, appears to be an intelligent chap with a fair bit of life experience. I would like to discuss the finer points in life over a few cold Blue Star Beers and some Screech.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions even on a public BBS thats heavily enforced by the censor cops.
You should come here to the island, I really don't care much for the real world, too many opinionated weirdoos out there.
Don't even get me started on my "Women's World Domination Theory"!!!!! |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 06:01 pm: |
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Thanks- at this point, being stalked by a vet of this board, it's really just time I bowed out. won't ever say bad word one about badweb, as i think it kicks •••. first time shame on them, second time, shame on me.
cheers- j |
Doughnut
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 06:04 pm: |
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Women's World Domination Theory
I always thought it was going to be the squirrls.
Tramp, I can still come and visit someday, right?
(Message edited by Doughnut on October 05, 2005) |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 06:19 pm: |
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Get back to me when you can prove that visiting China in some way qualifies anyone to state that adoption from that country is "grotesque and inexcusable" or "like rescuing puppies...bla..bla..bla..."
--further- donating sperm does NOT leave
babies unadopted.--
Ummmm...not very eloquent, but agreed (I guess). Driving a hybrid SUV does NOT leave gasoline unburnt. |
CJXB
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 08:07 pm: |
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions even on a public BBS thats heavily enforced by the censor cops.
EXACTLY and that includes me !! I'm "discussing" it and so what my opinion is more along the lines of lowflyer, and I've not censored anyone, so there !!! 
Stop being so sensitive Tramp, bowing out isn't accomplishing anything and certainly not my intent to cause you to want to !!
Maybe my words come across as an attack just like your words and views sound harsh to me, but incredulous would be more my tone if we were speaking in person !!
I don't see sperm being the same as blood since you can't create a human being carrying 1/2 your DNA with giving blood !!
And my feelings on that doesn't come from any hazy proto-roe v wade grounds of creating virtual bastards it comes from the idea that's it's like me selling/giving up my eggs to someone else and creating a great person like my own son and not know that child or even anything about him, holy cow !!
So what, that's how I feel !??
As for adopting foreign babies my feelings are that any baby or small child is innocent and like it or not there are many being adopted. You make it sound horrible and personal against those children as well as parents who adopt them.
I should be less sensitive about it, but I also know people who have adopted them and know the kids involved so I'm probably not impartial enough to continue stating my opinions on it !!
So why take what I say personally anymore than anyone else here ?? It's not personal, I don't know you, only your views as stated !!
As for stalking, good grief anyone that's been here long enough has seen me post much, much worse when involved in a discussion that set's me off or I get a little too emotional about the subject matter !!
I'm not perfect, so I may be guilty of getting too involved in this discussion and too harsh, and I'll certainly try to do better.
But you can certainly stop feeling special cause you believe you're being stalked by me, I'll argue (oopss I mean discuss  ) with anyone !! shheessshhh
Why do you think Bomber was trying to put me on the straight and narrow, he knows me and knew I was getting on a roll !!
So I'm going to try and be done now, and remember this thread was about giving Tripp some support, helpful info, and encouragement, I apologize for taking away from that !!  |
Cruisin
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 11:47 pm: |
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People will disagree. Nobody should bow out of BadWeB because somebody else disagreeing with them. You two feel very strongly about your position and a strong attempt has been made to get the other to see your side. Nobody's stalking anybody Tramp.
Hope you stay...it would be a shame not to have you around for the witty banter you tend to provide.
Now, what was the subject?  Oh yeah, Tripp's procreation.
As Court said earlier...no matter what side roads this discussion takes, we all wish the best for you Tripp. |
M2me
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:27 am: |
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Things are getting curiouser and curiouser in the BadWeb world.
I agree with Cruisin's last sentence. Tripp's procreation is a very personal thing (like Tramp, I was raised Catholic). It can only be decided by Tripp, his wife, family, doctor, etc. Those are the people who can answer Tripp's questions. Not us. |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 08:38 am: |
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Hey CJ,
I'd feel honored if you stalked ME.
Me next please.....hehehe.
Tripp maybe a bottle of Screech would help? |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 08:39 am: |
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CJ -- settled down, darn it!
Tramp -- man up, now!
Tripp -- bless you and your family |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 08:40 am: |
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Fiesty Southern Belles  |
Outrider
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 09:16 am: |
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This is beginning to read like the "Cross" jokes that were so popular yet in poor taste back in the 1980's.
A child is just that and if you adopt or artificially inseminate them and raise them with your American Values, what's the difference.
My firm belief is that the only designator is "Good vs Bad," not race, creed or color. Furthermore, do what you want to do in respect to your own life. If it works, it is fine. If not, you are the one that made your own bed, so sleep in it. (Little humor there)
I know I got in at the end of this discussion, but just wanted to add my two cents. |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 09:40 am: |
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Tramp,
I apologize if you are offended by anything I have posted. I respect your stance and enjoyed the challenge of debating with you. If we were to meet in person, I am sure we would be just different enough to make talking to one another interesting. I am not an angry debater, but I do consider myself a master-debater |
CJXB
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 10:20 am: |
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 I do consider myself a master-debater
Newfie, I ain't stalking you because you'd only enjoy it, bless your heart !!
Bomber I only wish I could say things as well as you in soooo few words !!
Stop being girly tramp, come out and play again, I'm done growling !! Just like lowflyer I never meant to be insulting, just sometimes happens that way, Cruisin said it best !! 
Sorry everyone for being so wordy yesterday, but today is new day and I am in a good mood !! |
Jb2
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 10:42 am: |
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CJ a stalker? If y'all knew how hard it is to type while hysterically laughing... |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 03:11 pm: |
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I think someone must have accidentally inserted an extra S.  |
Mikej
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 05:05 pm: |
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M1combat
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 05:17 pm: |
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The Green Man? |
CJXB
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 05:22 pm: |
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Very funny grumpy !! 
Okay, okay I admit to being a talker, wish I had known that was what Tramp meant !!  |
Old_mil
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 06:11 pm: |
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There are two major reason why I think that the adoption of babies from overseas has grown to the extent that it has...
1. Domestically, abortion prevents many adoptable children from being born. Many children who are available for adoption here are children with major issues (in vitro exposure to drug abuse by the mother, birth defects, etc).
2. The legal system, being what it is, exposes you to a lot of risk if you adopt the biochild of an American citizen. At some point down the road biodad or mom can come riding in on an ACLU legal horse and claim that her rights were violated in the adoption and embroil you in a lengthy legal fight and potentially take the child you've been raising for a number of years away. A foreign couple that lives overseas is not going to do this. |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 07:36 pm: |
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The reason people adopt from china, is due to the fact that here in the US, you can adopt a child, raise that child, and have that child taken away by a Judge. Bio parent have greater rights than the adoptive parents, hence people then go to China
Now, why China, because there is a goverment office set up to expedite the situation, this means cash in the governments hands, so inturn they make it easy
Why not easter block countries, well, because there are high incedents of Alcohol syndrome, and serious problems with the children and there state of mind
Why not Guatamala, because the trick is, you dont actuallly get the baby, see they ask you to come down to see the baby, pay a fee, then come back in 2 weeks, once the paper work is done, that fee is generally 10g's, of course you can imagine what you find 2 weeks later (0)
Sorry, but while china may seem expensive(really the last time i checked it was 20 g's and that included a trip over) it is the safest for someone who would like to be a parent, you dont have to worry about your child being taken away, nor a bio parent coming to pull that child, nor do you have to worry about an open adoption, the newest trend, where you baby sit for the mother for 18 years
Please folks, while it may seem wrong, do the reaserch first, and you may understand why people do what they do, some times your own government drives you into the arms of another because of there lack of humanity, and there insistance that they know whats best for you
I will decide whats best and why
some thing to think about or learn about
R |
M2me
| | Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 12:59 am: |
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Bomber I only wish I could say things as well as you in soooo few words !!
I like to think I say things well in few words and yet there is no mention of me! 
quote:I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
No, I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
Well, I wake in the morning,
Fold my hands and pray for rain.
I got a head full of ideas
That are drivin' me insane.
It's a shame the way she makes me scrub the floor.
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
No, I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
Well, I try my best
To be just like I am,
But everybody wants you
To be just like them.
They sing while you slave and I just get bored.
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
Bob Dylan rules!  |
CJXB
| | Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 09:15 am: |
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m2me, WHAT did all that have to do with the topic at hand !?? 
I DID mention you m2me very complimentary, wonder what happened to that post, hmmmm censor cops must have deleted it !??  |
M2me
| | Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 01:08 pm: |
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CJ,
It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'm just trying to turn BadWeb into a Bob Dylan enthusiasts site! |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 05:27 pm: |
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The answer is blowin in the wind.
Don't tell TRAMP that!!!!!
You know what he will be trying NEXT!!!!!! |
Swampy
| | Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 08:30 pm: |
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M2me:
I just saw a Bob Dylan special on PBS, very cool early years. My Big Kid has a DVD that has two songs on it done during a concert somewhere, the guitarist that was playing in the band looked like he was on acid, but it rocked. I think it was Tangled up in Blue and....(I'm looking for it now). just ROCKED! |
M2me
| | Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 02:25 am: |
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Swampy,
I saw the same special. I was never a huge Dylan fan but now I'm hooked. Maggie's Farm is awesome, especially the all out electric version of it! |
Hans
| | Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 06:17 am: |
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Adopting from another continent:
A friend, psychiatrist, is specialized in the emotional disturbances of adopted children from other continents.
That`s how he calls it: From other continents. I think that he has found a less pregnant way to say: From another race. Children who are easily recognizable as not being the ofspring of their parents. Growing up, almost all those kids develop the feeling that they don`t really belong to their new society. He did of course his research and went so far as to advise not to adopt from other continents.
However: What, if the only chance for the child goes between dead and life with probably some emotional disturbances ?
His statement is something to take into account IMO.
Hans |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 11:52 am: |
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China is a big sucking machine for our national wealth.When they offer adoptions it is about the money.
BTW,are my wife and i the only ones on the planet who've decided not to raise children? What is the fixation with growing old and leaving DNA behind??? Oh,and Tripp,good luck with whatever you do. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 12:01 pm: |
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Tripp:
What ever happens all the best to you and your wife!
I will keep you & her in my prayers.. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 02:29 am: |
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Hans,
That reminds me of an old Steve Martin comedy film entitled, "The Jerk." Do you know it? |
Hans
| | Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 12:04 pm: |
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Blake,
Yeah, something like that movie. Not seen, but got an idea after Googling "The Jerk".
I have seen the proof of shrink`s statement in my family: The good result is that the adopted parents have succeeded to keep their child out of jail.
They still have to support him, while he is a grown up man.
I keep saying, that they will ever get a kind of reward for their, extremely extended, loving care.
Hans |
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