| Author | Message | ||
     Cruisin |
CJ - sorry if I came off strong. It's not that they're noble, but they're definitely not bad or uncaring for it, that's all. It just gives a family another option, one that they may like better than adoption. | ||
| Tramp |
There are many, many couples who can't have kids on their own. If I can help them, who's the victim? Further- There was always a good chance, back then, especially, that I might not be around to enjoy kids, should I have 'em. The ...er.....material.... was being manufactured and ...er...purged...regardless.... so I really don't see the crime in donating it to someone who can use it. think about how many gallons the average guy tosses (  in a lifetime, as refuse. To put that gift to use for someone else, I think, is a good thing. Certainly not an act to be likened to fathering children and abandoning them. It ensures an excellent home. We're living in the future, kids. It's already upon us. -Gattaca Tramp | ||
| Court |
>>>>Our daughter is simply terrific. Doubt we could have done as well outselves Therein, may well be the MOST accurate statement ever muttered on Badweb. Talk about a doll! Dave Gess is the victim of a wife and a daughter much smarter than he.  Tripper, we'll have you in our thoughts and everyone, regardless of some of the silly remarks that may fly by, is hoping for the best, wherever you may find it. | ||
| Tramp |
I think, tripper, that you owe it to your genetic line to utilize the gifts that modern science has availed you and your better half. CF might have atrophied your ductwork, but you're still manufacturing good 'boys' who are eager to fertilize any of the fine ovi at their disposal. try in vitro, and let science take it's course in overcoming your condition, which, in time, science will have wiped out, thanks to genome mapping. any progeny you produce will have excellent chances of beating CF, should they inherit said predispostion. science, much like nature, benefits us when benefitted some gentle guidance. | ||
| Davegess |
Dave Gess is the victim of a wife and a daughter much smarter than he. MUCH is an understatement. Russia was a PIA but fun at the same time. Tons of paperwork. If we did it again I might try to do it in the US. Much cheaper. | ||
| Bomber |
tripp -- got the prayer wheels on high speed automatic for you and your better half -- whatever course you guys may choose, do not deny yourselves the roller-coaster ride of parenthood -- best job you'll ever have! | ||
| Swampy |
All you have to do is be a teenager and go sit in the front seat of your dads car for a while. In all honesty, all you have to do is plan to adopt and BINGO! She gets pregnant. It works most of the time. I do have a guaranteed method of producing boys though.....They don't call me Doctor Rob for nuthin' (Message edited by swampy on October 04, 2005) | ||
| Firemanjim |
Tripp,went through all of that(cept that really painful ball slicing thing--thank God)--it's incredibly stressful.Our first 2 pregnancies were planned and executed like clockwork.After that nothing worked.Checked ovulation schedules,had sperm tested,fertility drugs,invitro,nada.We kept at it for about 2 years and could take no more. Check into support groups and try to take it easy.Good luck. | ||
| Lowflyer |
This thread makes me feel guilty...especially when I think of all the healthy sperm I've wasted.  Trip, China has a lot of baby girls for adopting. Those little heathen bastards hate girls over there. Most of them get aborted due to the one-child rule. They all want sons because sons are burdened with taking care of aging parents. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
My neighbor here on the island adopted a baby girl from China. Apparently they may go for a second in a couple years as there are a lot of them over there. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
On a lighter note (or perhaps not depending on your viewpoint) Imagine the scenario if a mad scientist got hold of all Tramp's donations & produced legions of him!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Oh & Bomber you'll have to show me how to run those dam prayer wheels, I can't get mine outa neutral! (Message edited by Mr_grumpy on October 05, 2005) | ||
| Bomber |
Grumpster -- shift pattern in N-1-2-N-3-3-3-3-N-4(ish) kinda like my MaDeuece with a mis-adjusted primary chain | ||
| Tramp |
adopting chinese kids is like "rescuing" puppies from the pet store. It only demonstrates a high demand for the product of our planet's most unconscionable culture. Do you really think that China's allegation of 'having too many daughters' isn't just another avenue for world domination? The more you edify yourself as to China's hunger for world domination, and the 'soft' forms of it's philosophy (ie: water wearing down a rock over centuries as opposed to a hammer breaking a rock in minutes), you'll see an agenda in the whole "adopt our daughters' thing. The very moment the market for chinese children slows down, you'll see production come to a grinding halt, as well.... don't feed into that beast | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Maybe all of Tramps Donations are given to China!!!! Kinda puts a halt to the world domination thing!!!!! Must run and hide NOW!!!!  | ||
| Tramp |
hey- we 'old-world conqueror' types strive for a certain equalibrium  | ||
| Lowflyer |
"adopting chinese kids is like "rescuing" puppies from the pet store." Wow, I thought I was sick and twisted. I prefer to think of people as people and not as "puppies." I don't give a rat's a$$ what China's agenda is. It ain't the little baby girls' fault. They don't deserve to be killed off, and if some of us have the means to take on the responsibility, it's the right thing to do. Geez, fearing world domination is cowardly at best. I thought this was a fertility thread. Where are your balls, man? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Tramp, I have a very close friend with one Chinese adopted daughter, and another one on the way any minute now. They actually travel to the orphanage to get them, and while you are right that it brings in a BOATLOAD of US currency into the country, I think it would be a stretch to say the Chinese peasants that are putting these kids up for adoption are doing it for world domination. And it's not just the "want a son, ditch the daughters" thing. I suspect it's dammed dangerous to be a poor, rural, Chinese person, so the number of kids who have actually lost both parents is probably pretty high anyway, and not motivated by plans for global domination. Not that I don't see China as a threat though, don't get me wrong, I don't doubt they are. (Message edited by reepicheep on October 05, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
my balls are here with all the poor american kids who nobody wants to adopt. hundreds of thousands of them, actually... I think that the adoption of shinese girls has become a trendy fad for the image-conscious dweebs of america. our own orphanages are overpopulated with unwanted, innocent kids, but nobody wants them. nope- gotta have pne of them cute li'l china dolls. frankly, i find that manner of objectification of the chinese babies far more dehumanizing and sickening. nobody wants a black or hispanic baby or child who could certainly use some love. nope- gotta keep up with the joneses. | ||
| Reepicheep |
And just for the record, another close friend of our family is working on adopting two black inner city babies. They have been working on it for probably 3 years now, and have had long drawn out court battles to try and pull it off. The Chinese baby adoptions? Lots of paperwork, a decent chunk of change (maybe $25k out the door?), but the deal is done in about a year. You can get some of that back ($7k?) from tax credits. The couple I know with the two Chinese adoptions is about the *furthest* couple from being trendy you will find on the face of the planet... | ||
| Tramp |
lowflyer, i was likening the act of adopting for the sake of 'cuteness' from a culture/corporation that emphasises the 'oh, we need a home' ticket to make a quick sale, with more waiting right behind them. trust me, the chinese government is the locus of this movement. were we to stop importing their daughters like some sort of trade commodity, they would suddenly slow 'production'. it's just like the puppymill syndrome, where the demand crates the supply. noone os more disgusted by the dehumanizing aspect of this than me, that is WHY i encourage you all not to feed that dehumanizing leviathan. | ||
| Tramp |
I hear you, reep- there are, clearly, good souls doing this, by and large, as well. but to discuss it (invariably) in terms of timespan and dollars posted by reep:"The Chinese baby adoptions? Lots of paperwork, a decent chunk of change (maybe $25k out the door?), but the deal is done in about a year. You can get some of that back ($7k?) from tax credits." dehumanizes the very act itself, right? I mean, here we are, discussing said adoptions in terms of cost and time. kinda puts a less-than-humanistic spin on it, trampthinks.... Seems my own call to end the dehumanizing child trade out of china , (a trade which the government has created for generating funds and for spreading out the bloodline over continents), has been erroneously subverted into an inhuman proclamation, here. much like my own points regarding sperm donation (much like any donation- blood, etc.) is getting the knee-jerk "eeeyew" and the sanctimonious, self-serving finger-point. please- bite the buller, adopt a kid from one of our own overcrowded orphanages, and get back to me, then. please.... (Message edited by tramp on October 05, 2005) | ||
| Reepicheep |
Discussing times and $$ was not an attempt to dehumanize, but rather simply a reflection of a person that seriously considered different adoption processes and the obstacles that would need to be overcome. But enough thread drift... family and kids are the best gift God has given me, be they genetically related to me or not. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Tramp, Understood. I just fundamentally disagree with the thought of rejecting those poor kids because of their national origin or out of some paranoid fear of world domination. You are misinformed and wrongly suspicious of these adoptive parents. There are many more ways to be trendy that involve far less commitment than adopting foreign children. Hell, my wife's minivan is just about paid off. Motives for adoption are not generally so shallow. Foreign adoption is a costly, painfully long, and laborious process. Sure there are orphanages here to adopt from and those kids all deserve to be adopted too, but people have varying reasons for choosing the way they do. My in-laws went to Korea to adopt my wife's brother. They did it because they learned of the deplorable conditions he was kept in because of a birth defect that made him considerably un-cute. He would have been shunned his whole life in Korea. My wife's parents shelled out hundreds of thousands of $$ for corrective surgeries and medical bills. That's not trendy. He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Pepperdine U. on a National Merit full-ride scholarship two years ago, landed a job with a start-up Internet co., made lots of $$, and just left for the Peace Corps last month. He is in Africa now helping less fortunate folks. If you have it in for the Chinese, try simply not buying anything made in China. Good luck with that.  | ||
| Tramp |
I don't "have it in for the chinese", by any means. I ahve it in for oppressive governments who use their own people as a currency. were there not such a toney demand for quaint chinese adoptees, china would not invent this problem. i 'fundamentally disagree' with rejecting poor american orphans, in deference to foreign kids. that's inexcusable, and grotesque. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
He does have a dizzying intellect??? Funny thing is I can understand his point of view!!! | ||
| Tripp |
well, we talk to the invitro doc next month and i think we're going to wait out a cycle then try again. i am horrified about what they're going to say about the quantity and quality of the sperm they still have frozen up in boston. they gave my wife the impression that all my good sperm was used up! this is very distressing as the doctor at B.U. that performed the operation on me assured me that i had fifteen years worth of little guys. the thought of another operation really freaks me out. if, for whatever reason we can't get pregnant, we will probably adopt. we've talked about it in the past and decided on russia or certainly the good ol' u. s. of a. if possible. i've always been under the impression that it was near to impossible to adopt in the u.s. that's why people were going to other countries to adopt, i suppose i'll find out if it comes to that. i will post an update after i talk to the invitro doctor. in the meantime, thanks for all the support peeps! you meet the nicest people on badweb! | ||
| Bomber |
lots and lots of children available for adoptionin the US, Tripp -- I'm sure folks have good and valid reasons for going overseas, but do the research, and I"m sure you guys will reach the right decision for you both | ||
| CJXB |
"adopting chinese kids is like "rescuing" puppies from the pet store." Wow, I thought I was sick and twisted. I prefer to think of people as people and not as "puppies." I don't give a rat's a$$ what China's agenda is. Wow, I have to agree with lowflyers thoughts on comments like those !! Maybe it's your way of saying/typing things Tramp but some of your comments I find offensive and this thread takes the cake, holy crap !! Newfie you understand his point of view, you agree with it ?? You've been on that island too long dude !! People adopt babies from lots of different countries and the one's I know do it for various reasons, all good !! I understand that US children need good homes too, but my understanding is also that it's more difficult, time consuming and costly as well ?? Anyone know ?? Alright Bomber, I'm going back to work and try to be good, difficult at best !!  | ||
| Tramp |
yes, and remember that the path to goodness and justice is usually "more difficult, time consuming and costly". I guess if the practice of autoracism and eschewing of our own native orphans can be rationalized through thrift and time efficiency, then maybe we should all accept the fact that we have become, in effect, beijing. fair enough, I agree complicitly, let's all adopt some chinese kids, ignore the piteous, love-deprived American orphans of our own "this land is your..." land and look for the cheapest and most time-efficient way of doing things in this world which we were gifted....."comrades"....  I mean- he*l- let our own social system continue to pick up the slack of caring for America's unwanted children, the taxpayers can handle it....Red China NEEDS our money...besides...those chinese kids are so much...."cuter" | ||
| Bomber |
sheeeesh -- this thread's grown long legs, ain't it? |
