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Robertl
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been around a few years, since 2010 or maybe sooner.

I learned my lesson a year or so ago responding to a post on the Quick Board. I was immediately attacked and it didn't matter what I said, the attacks just kept coming. Think I eventually deleted all my posts and opted out of the notices.

I've met a few nice people here, bought some stuff, sold some stuff, and of course tons of knowledge but I just don't get the same feeling any more.
I rarely respond to anything here but do try to help on the Facebook groups if I can.

As Steve said, do what you want, but I come here for motorcycle stuff, not politics and religion.
I definitely don't need any more negativity, politics, or religion stuff as that is everywhere else it seems.
I want to continue learning about motorcycles and help others along the way.

Robert
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S1owner
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree whole heartedly with keep the politics out of it. I like the old school thought where your best friend does not even know who you voted for. Heck my wife doesnt even know I dont talk politics and I do get frustrated when people can make any conversation into a political argument!
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Mike_lee
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm new here but, i too don't come here to talk anything other than buells.
perhaps a photo or two of the good old days but thats the extent of it.
i come here to learn about these machines that i have come to love, and maybe, if I'm lucky, share some of my new found knowledge to others with the same desire.
i know i don't post a lot but... i guess it lends to the old saying... keep your mouth closed and remain a fool.. yada yada yada.
it is sad that these bikes and parts are becoming more elusive but, it just makes them more desirable to those that get it. i just hope i don't wreck and have to ride around on a multicolored bike cuz i can't find the same color plastics.
i will be riding though. and hopefully, in a pack of buell brothers.
peace.
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I personally don't mind the great conversation about what many might call politics. But if you take the time to follow the links posted by the comment writers to back up their positions, many of the "politics" is actually real news, and back story the mainstream news outlets don't (or won't) tell you. Credible reporters list their source, unless their is a legitimate reason not too. Many, but sadly not all, of the posters here meet that standard.
Granted, I prefer those discussions stay in their respective threads, but when politics rears in a motorcycle thread, (usually as a hate filled rant with no argument presented, or source documentation), I find my mouse's scroll wheel works really well to bypass it. (Its like TIVO for angry rants)
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Steveford
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tonight was sadly typical: I'm in the middle of doing a deal to buy a Triumph Sprint GT as my retirement bike and I was in a supermarket where the bank has a location.
I'm on the Mighty Useless and am wearing a Buell rain suit and a guy with his family is doing the grocery shopping. He asks me if I'd like to buy another Buell, he has an 1125R he'd like to sell.

We're the diehards who need to keep these things going.
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Milar
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like to think of the Buell community as consolidating. I don't think it will die, but will go thru the "dark ages" and be much, much smaller.

I think of Triumph and the Brit Bike industry. In the 1980's prices fell to almost nothing. Bikes rotting in garages and back yards. My buddy drove around the midwest buying Triumphs and BSA's for $300 - $400. Parts were consolidated in a few large distributors. Then after about 25 years prices started to rebound led by the most desirable models like the TT Special and Rocket Gold Star.

Steve Ford is right. A few of us will keep this alive thru the dark years. Over the next 10 years you will have the opportunity to buy Buells the same way my buddy bought Brit Iron. Don't let that future Buell TT Special pass you by.

Mike
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Essmjay
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


all that matters


Arguing politics on a motorcycle forum is a waste of time.
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Madmacks
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Weighing in From Canada here... I joined about ten years ago when I bought a wrecked S1.. If you guys think Buellers are getting scarce try finding them North of the border.. I have bought and sold a ton of parts, I have 2 running bikes in the garage and I think enough parts to put a couple more together... for the parts and knowledge source, I sure hope Badweb never goes away.
I agree with some of the earlier posters that the fewer bikes there are the fewer Buellers there will be. I hope there's enough diehards to keep this going. But when it gets to only the few of us left, I truly believe we will all own very valuable motorcycles. Valuable in more than just Dollars..
I skip over politics, religon, bickering and sniviling... there's a different place for all that.. here I like to talk and read about motorcycles.
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 08:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only thing that would make me happier than seeing my old worthless Buell every time I go into the garage, would be seeing a classic valuable Buell every time I go into the garage. It's life would be the same regardless. I'd probably consider buying a better disc lock for it, but that's about it.

Hopefully I have some money floating around when those $300 Buells start popping up. The one bike I've really noticed getting a jump in price currently are the old early 90's GSXRs. I've always wanted one of those as a project, it's the next bike on my list, but currently on hold due to having one baby and working on another... but I've noticed the nice ones are all listed for about $7-8k, the average ones are still around $4-6k. Even the nicest Buells aren't likely to catch you more than $4k at this point. Luckily you can still find some beat up gsxrs for less than $1000 if you're patient. I'm sure if I wait too long those ones will all disappear.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder how many Buell owners there were during the Summer of 1998 when on a challenge/bet my friend "Ferris Bueller" helped me get BadWeB kicked transformed from an email list to a cutting edge web forum.

Thanks for returning the thread to a positive note there Josh (Upthemaiden) and everyone else.
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Steveford
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 07:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can see another Buell or two in my future. S3T and an 1125CR but not today. 2011 Triumph Sprint GT next.
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Milar
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2017 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I wonder how many Buell owners there were during the Summer of 1998 when on a challenge/bet my friend "Ferris Bueller" helped me get BadWeB kicked transformed from an email list to a cutting edge web forum."

We can guess. The S1/S1W/S2/S2T ended production about that time. Total production for all 4 plus the Westwind and Battle Twin was 9,123 according to 25th Anniversary Fuel Magazine. That should give you an approximate number of Buells thru 1998.

Total production all Tuber models: 36,543.

Low production models:

Under 1000 made:
Battle Twins: 110
Westwinds: 306
S2T: 429

1000-2000 made:
S2: 1694
S3T: 1779

All other models are 2000+ produced.

Mike
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Court
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2017 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lots more than the first Buell gathering at my house . . . when we had about all the Buell owners present . . . and rode to lunch in a mini-van.
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Lynrd
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2017 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

not clear on why you didn't ride the bikes, there, Court...

Minivan, seriously?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, November 10, 2017 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't knock minis. I love my 90 Voyager turbo van!
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Gearheadgrrrl
Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 09:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think Buells will ever wildly appreciate in value- They made over a hundred thousand. Despite crash totals, parting out,and neglect most will survive. On the plus side, Buells will stay affordable enough that you could put together a collection of the 10 or so major variations for well under $50k. Compare that with BMW, Harley, etc. where a complete collection would run well into seven figure $$$.
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Edv
Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have two 95 S2`s and a 96 S1 not because of the value but because I like riding them. I also have a 69 FLH and a 77 FLH which I haven`t ridden in 30 years because they are not fun. I have several BSA singles and twins that I ride because they are fun like the Buell`s are. I frequent this site occasionally just to keep tabs on what people are doing, I hope it stays around and grows like britbike.com and B50.org have for the British crowd.
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Lynrd
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 01:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chicks still dig tubers...
Mia Bartlett and Veronica
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Zac4mac
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just took my 91 Westwind out for a short ride yesterday.
Since I got her 2 years ago, that was the best she's run yet.

Got her with just under 10k (9980 IIRC) and all 4 plugs were fouled(Zipper 1200 kit) by original owner, I'm the second.
Pulled and cleaned all 4, had to drop the exhaust pushrod tubes to get the secondaries out/in.

Damn that bike is smooooth AND fast!!
Her name is Alicia.
She is running an S2 inner tank while I repair the inside of the original tank.
Ugly but I am holding it on with a Buell ratchet strap....









Keep your politics on the Quick Board...
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Ducxl
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great bikes'.I just can't bring myself to give them away.They're worth at least $7k each to me.A friend recently lamented our ability to break down on a trip.Not easy.
Winter is here and time to go back on static display in a heated/carpeted room.1999+2005 owned since new
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H0gwash
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think Buells will ever wildly appreciate in value

Amen to that. What's not to like about a cheap domestic bike that you can repair yourself and is practical as a daily rider and can make the spirited romp on a weekend run?

Declining interest in Buells parallels the general decline in all things motorcycle which also parallels the aging Baby Boomer generation. But so long as parts are generally available and the repair archives kept functional, the Badweb will not die. IMHO If web hosting costs dictate, the archives could become paid access only.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe my nephew will see them appreciate.
He has an XB12R and an 1125R and will most likely get my Westwind and RS Carbon when I pass.

With the exception of the Carbon, I couldn't care less what they're worth in $$.
They are priceless in the "grins" department.
My biggest fear is wadding the Carbon...
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't expect my bike will ever be worth much more than it is. Even in the future when the engine is running 100%, it's got a fresh paintjob, and plenty of upgraded billet and stainless parts, I still doubt it'll be worth much more than it is in it's current beat up and dirty state.

I'm definitely envious when I see pictures of people's garages with 6 Buells in a line. Even with the prices low, I feel like realistically the only thing that would tempt me to pick up a second would be a nice S1w, which would likely eventually replace my current S1. There's just too many nice motorcycle out there to convince myself to limit myself to one frame/engine combination because one has a slightly wider seat and another has slightly lower pegs. Between the early 90's gsxrs, indian scouts, superduke 1290s, 70's xs650s, 90's ducati monsters... there's too many fun looking bikes out there.
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Court
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm glad I don't ride my investments . . . . nor do I expect my depreciating assets, such as Buells and vintage cars and bikes, to provide me with retirement income.

Vehicles . . . . and go ahead and point to your rare Shelby Cobra or 300SL anomaly . . . are generally (note the generally )piss poor investments. The one's that are good investments are generally (note the generally) well beyond the means of many forums members. . . .unless more folks snagged Maclaren's here last year than I would guess. My better half sold her 1992 Porsche 959 2 years ago . . . that was a rare anomaly and thanks to Bill Gates the cars appreciated more than they might otherwise have been expected to.

I learned, just Saturday, a lesson (I already knew . . . but, it was my time in the barrel) about selling vehicles. I bought a 2016 Ford F-250 Super Duty pickup a year ago. I've purchased 4 new cars this years and made a big fit about buying the F250 "completely stripped down". Well . . . I tired it but I'll tell you that a construction vehicle . . .without electric windows, is a royal pain in the butt. I was also, even this early in the season, growing weary, in my sunset years, of jumping out and scraping ice off the mirrors.

Anyway . . . the truck got traded one a new F-250 Super Duty and this time I went, knowing I was going to take a screwing anyway, with my "dream truck" . . . basically, after owning the 2016 for 11 months . . . I got back about 60% of what I paid for it. If our investments performed that way . . . we'd all be working until we were 134 year old.

Bottom line . . . investing in depreciable assets makes great bar and internet chatter . . . but •••••• investing sense. I've got a couple Buells I am getting ready to sell. My thinking is that I have derived so damn much enjoyment from both of them . . . I mean how many folks have ridden their Buell in 37 states on a single trip? . . . that I'm going to hate to see them go . . . no matter the price.

Everyone will have their own opinion . . . that's my $0.02.
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S1owner
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Agree 100 percent Court. Its a reason I really hate buying brand new vehicles.
Heck I probably have 10,000 into my Buell if I sold it today If I was lucky and found the right person after waiting for a year I might get 7 for ir otherwise its worth 2700 bottom line. But I built it out of enjoyment and not investment and its been well worth it!
My IRA and 401 is for retirement!!

(Message edited by S1owner on November 13, 2017)
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your only hope in investing(used loosely) in a motorcycle is to keep a constant eye on craigslist, but bikes cheap, enjoy them for a year or two, and resell them. I bought my old xb9s for $3200 with only 3000 miles on it, rode it until 10k and resold it for $3700. I bought a Speed triple for $5000, rode it for a few thousand miles, and sold it for somewhere between $5000 and $5500. I've done the same with a few others and plenty of bicycles in the past. Once you factor in how much you paid in insurance, tires, oil changes, gas, taxes, you're not making any money back, but it's at least a much cheaper way to enjoy recreational vehicles cheaply, as opposed to handing a dealership $12k for something and having to resell it for less than half the price a few years later when your shiny new toy is no longer at the leading edge of technology.

For long term vehicles, I know you've gotta pick something you like if you're driving it every day. I happen to like Toyotas, my wife has a thing for a specific American brand that I won't name because I'm not looking to turn this conversation towards which companies make crappy cars in Mexico, but the last time we went to trade our vehicles in, being relatively the same age, with similar original MSRPs, and mine having more miles and way less problems than hers, I was able to trade mine in for more than double what she got for hers. So even though I won't buy something as in investment to make me money in the future, I can't help but make it an important consideration when I'm buying something, because it's nice to know you'll have a vehicle that's still worth something when it's 10+ years old, as that's money you're going to be able to put towards your next trade in. It's also important to consider what a vehicle will be worth in 10 years because it's a good indicator of what kind of shape it'll be in 10 years from now. You can say that you don't care what it's worth in 10 years as long as you're enjoying it now, but if you have something that's not worth more than a trip to the junkyard after 10-15 years of use, chances are your last few years of ownership were less than pleasant.
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"..its worth 2700 bottom line."
It's in writing, so DIBS!
When I find a spare $2700 I'm buying Ken's bike.
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Court
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While we are on the subject . . . what do you think would be the best way to sell a Buell . . . with a cache of spares or sell the spares separately.

When Al was closing down American Sportbike . . . a couple of us bought "survival kits" . . . basically a couple thousand $$ worth of a "doomsday kit".

I've considered selling the entire kit and kaboodle . . .rather than sitting around selling spares for the next 3 years.
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For most people, it's always better to sell the bike, then sell all of the spares separately. It sounds like you've got SO much stuff, and you haven't even had the time to go through it, you'd have to consider if you really have the time to list and sell all those parts individually.

Wonder if Lance might be interested in the lot as a whole.
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S1owner
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Always make more money selling the parts on their own but it takes time. Sometimes a year plus. So it realky depends in what your end game is. You looking to sell a bike with a bunch of spares and do a fellow Buelker a solid then go for it. If you want to make $$ you have to part it out. This is my opinion and I have no idea what you have into everything. Lance could be an option for some of it for sure but again its what you want to get out of it.
Pretty sure some of the parts you have will go quick for good money others might be awhile.
Iknow you have an original hand laid carbon hugger I sold you that others would kill for😜.
No my bike is not for sale absolutely not. It will go to my son when he and I are both ready. He was there at the purchase and the scolding I received from the wife! Oh and its insured for $20,000 so I am covered!

(Message edited by S1owner on November 13, 2017)
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