| Author | Message | |||
     883srfast |
Rick, this question is "off topic", but may I ask if you have more pics of the XR750 Street Tracker? Would like to get a better look at the luggage rack/rack attached to the Storz flat track seat.....been looking into fabbing one for my 883R Street Tracker. PM some pics if you can. Thanks, Michael | |||
| Greg_cifu |
I haven't called anybody anything (it's what other people say and think) and the "white trash" comment isn't even my post. Reading seems to be hard for some people.
$100 is more than fair for a freshly repacked V&H. Consider it a environmental tax that paid to restore this fine piece of Buell engineering to its original, high performance state. The packing kit and the replacement endcap cost $70.  As for wheelies: they don't bother me in the least (as long as they're not in a neighborhood full of kids). People in their backyard don't hear a wheelie. People don't hear wheelies booming across town in the middle of the night. Wheelies don't cause motorcycle checkpoints where we all have to prove that our wheels are stock and approved. | |||
| Xl1200r |
This thread is great, lol I don't like loud pipes. I put the stock muffler back on my 1125 for that reason. On my S3T, I have the factory race can. It's not quiet, but isn't obnoxious, either. I've 2 neighbors tell me it isn't too loud and sounds great - both after being asked and out of the blue on their part, and I ride through at all hours, though I keep it at idle when it's late/very early. About supertrapp... Yes, you need the discs, but you pretty much should put as many on as you can fit: http://www.nrhsperformance.com/tech_supertrapp.sht ml And the open end caps from supertrapp are tuned to flow a specific number of discs worth... I think it was 6 or 8, so you don't throw the tuning out the window unless you take the end cap off altogether. | |||
| Jakenok |
Its a slippery slope. If the AMA and riders allow themsleves to be pushed on this issue, then what's next? "i'm sorry Mr. Biker, why do you think you need a bike that does 180 mph when the highest limit in the country is much lowere than that?" Then, whammo, performance restrictions and more corraling the populace into "acceptable" behavior. | |||
| Greg_cifu |
Which is exactly why if we don't police ourselves, the government will do it for us. That's why the Japanese voluntarily imposed the 300 KPH limit on their bikes in 2000 (and why every moron with a '99 Hayabusa thinks it makes more power than every other year). Now we're getting somewhere. | |||
| Rick_a |
California and big cities...yep...that's why I'm not in Cali and live in a suburb. It's a shame, too as it's a beautiful state, for the most part. I prefer to live in "nanny" free states/cities. I'll reiterate, most performance exhausts elevate sound levels into tolerable levels. It's drag pipes and all the sportbike "bling" exhausts that I feel make way too much noise. Those that are proponents for the "street legal" only noise limits, that's just fine. Everyone has an opinion. Don't demonize the rest of us for differing in it. Most race systems/mufflers on XB's and Tubers sound pretty mellow and throaty but don't get obnoxious unless the throttle is wicked up. Michael, that's actually an XR1000, but there's more pics in the photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geordieray/4779144713 /in/photostream/ | |||
| Jakenok |
correction: it was not Greg, but David who made the white trash comment. | |||
| 883srfast |
Rick, thank you for posting the photostream of XR pics. There is a good idea and or thought in every BadWeb thread if you look into the details! | |||
| Reepicheep |
Loud pipe are simply a matter of being rude and inconsiderate. No more, no less. Some people live their life that way, others choose not too. | |||
| Thejosh |
I run loud pipes so people can hear me even if they don't see me....kinda makes me a bigger blip on the radar. I don't ride around neighborhoods revving my engine, but if someone is about to plow into me, you bet your ass I'll be makin some noise! Besides that, I love the sound of this motor, IMO it's what a motorcycle should sound like; a deep throaty roar, not a buzzing whiney whistling. I enjoy the sound of both my Buells and could care less if it offends people. Josh | |||
| Jramsey |
"I run loud pipes so people can hear me even if they don't see me"  | |||
| 01x1buell |
nothing wrong with load pipes, as long as you are not being that ••••••• that likes to rev it up all the time. | |||
| 01x1buell |
ok exhaust... i just wear earplugs and then it is not load.  | |||
| Thejosh |
Happens to my friend all the time so you can't say that SHIT doesn't work. He rides an SV 650 that sounds exactly like a sewing machine and as quiet as a gnat fart, but for some reason when I ride with him, not so much, why? Because mothaf***ers can hear me. I live in New Mexico where freedom is still legal and yeah it might be annoying that someone revs their engine, but that's their choice to be an annoying butthole. If you want a bike that sounds like a queer fart, sell your Buell and buy a BMW. Josh | |||
| Littlebuggles |
wow just... wow. | |||
| Littlebuggles |
New guys, listen up. Here in the Old School section we've been pretty good at keeping things civil, helpful, and generally pleasant to be around. Basically because you may meet any number of folks you interact with here someday, and it would be really great if we're all friends when we do, rather than getting into a fist fight over who is actually as tough as they tried to sound on-line. Much like the statement a few posts ago about motorcyclist in general policing ourselves, we tend to keep the name calling and sand kicking out of this section. Loud pipes are loud. If your local government, neighbors and police are offended by them too often they will do something about it... This thread was not titled "Muffler Alternatives" not "Loud Pipes Save Lives and other douchbaggery things to say"... "My pipe is louder than your pipe", "Your pipe is gay", "His pipe is so loud it shot a 747 out of the sky before the terrorist could even think about hijacking it..." Yup, not one of those is the thread title. ...and getting offended by someone calling a name on the internet is pretty much as lame as calling names on the internet. So thank you, those of you who showed me I've got no interest in interacting with you, or offering helpful advice, until you grow up. Saves me some effort, though I'll probably forget and help out anyway, cause you own a Buell. peace out Buell brothers, I'm done with this thread | |||
| Db4570 |
Thanks for the guidance, Littlebuggles. The last thing I want to do is tick off anyone here, because I am really enjoying this forum, and appreciate all the help I've gotten here. My comments were referring to a general mindset I see out in the world, and were not directed at anyone here. I'm sorry if anyone took offense to anything I said. I'd be happy to see this thread continue on the subject of mufflers that sound nice without being too loud, and abandoning the loud vs. quiet debate. David | |||
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| Jakenok |
"His pipe is so loud it shot a 747 out of the sky before the terrorist could even think about hijacking it..." LMAO...that's funny. Hopefully, we can all agree to disagree or at least realize we are all motorcyclists, and share something in common and are further defined by being Buell zealots.... | |||
| Thejosh |
Some like em loud, some don't. Some would sacrifice power for comfort, that's cool. I love the way Buells sound, and will personally tolerate it if it's loud. The fact that California won't allow aftermarket exhausts is horrible. My uncle has an 08 RoadKing that you can barely hear from 3 ft away, and there's nothing he can do about it. I like my V&H, but if I could do it all over, I would probably pick something with a bigger chamber. The V&H has too much of a direct route, and I would like something more deeper, and quieter. If you want something that is whisper quiet, it would probably be hard to find. Josh | |||
| Jakenok |
So, which is heavier? A V&H can or the factory one? | |||
| Jramsey |
Stock can weighs 11 lbs.1 oz. | |||
| Ebutch |
Aw Jeez, not This Shit Again!  | |||
| Db4570 |
I finally got the stock muffler on in place of the V&H, after much fiddling around getting the right brackets, etc. It makes a huge difference. The noise from the V&H really wore me down. It just pounded up from the pavement, right into my brain. It seemed to actually physically wear on me. I would get tired and just want to stop riding. Not good. Plus, I felt rude. I did like that other drivers could hear me, though. The stock muffler weighs a lot more, but it sounds really nice. It's a little too quiet at low throttle, but gets a nice throaty rumble when opened up. Most importantly, it makes the bike a real pleasure to ride, and I like being able to hear the mechanical sound of the engine. I have no idea if I've lost any power. It seems like it at first, but I think that may just be my imagination because it doesn't sound as powerful, i.e. noisy. I might try to dial in my Mikuni for optimal performance. I get a some detonation at low-rpm lugging. Maybe it's a little lean. So there's my experience. I appreciate the help and suggestions here. David | |||
| Harleyelf |
You have the good front hanger, I hope. Have you ever checked and/or set your timing? Pinging is more often timing than cheap gas. | |||
| Db4570 |
It has been so long since I have had a car that I had to set timing on, it was sort of off my radar. That's a part of this machine I haven't even looked at yet. It would be nice if that's all it needs. David | |||
| Greg_cifu |
David, your observations were spot-on. I hope you found a nice one. I went to look at a '99 S3T last night, almost identical to my 2001 but, with the Buell race air cleaner and a V&H. I had forgotten how loud the bark was on the V&H. Too bad. It's a nice looking pipe--especially the elbow and mount. As for the detonation, it might be something that was there all along and you just couldn't hear over the exhaust. Not saying that you don't need to find the source but, it's probably not caused by the exhaust. And if it DOES turn out to be running lean, it could only be because the stock exhaust is scavenging better than the V&H and it had been rejetted to compensate. Things don't get leaner with MORE back pressure. | |||
| Db4570 |
Actually, even before I switched to the quiet muffler, I did hear some detonation when lugging it in first gear, starting off from a stop. I thought maybe it was just my poor clutch technique and getting familiar with the bike. Now I just notice it more, and maybe a little at a higher RPM range, too. So I'll be spending some time getting it all dialed in. The muffler is decent, a little rusty. Seems solid, though. I am thinking that if I grow to like it enough to keep it long term, I may look into ceramic coating it, just for looks. And I replaced the mounts with the retrofit kit. It was more of a PITA getting everything together than I anticipated. David | |||
| Db4570 |
And good point, Greg, about it probably not leaning out with a more restrictive muffler. If anything, if it was lean originally, you'd think this might cure it. Unless it's not so restrictive after all. David | |||
| Littlebuggles |
It is possible to modify the stock muffler to reduce restriction, I've seen pictures here where some one cut the end off at the weld, then removed the center pipe so there was just a big chamber with an inlet and outlet. It was said to improve the sound a bit if you like a slightly louder pipe without ear rattling noise. Sounds like you need to check your carb out. |
