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Sportyeric
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roger Goldammer, from Kelowna, British Columbia, makes full on customs that are mostly "board-tracker" inspired but has done some nice cafe-styled bikes, some with Sportster engines.http://www.goldammercycle.com/hispeed/main.php
Don't know what this one is.
Goldammer
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Cafe


Racer
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Buellfart
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Yeah Baby",now that`s more like it.Still no Buell frame though,ya know?That`s old Sportster baby,its` just not me-it aint got my Mo-Jo...just kidding here.Have to see Dr. Evil about digital camera and a few,fairly competent(I hope)sketches and pics.Will post soonly.
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Tom_b
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the last two pic's rick a posted are both nice, but the red,white and blue bike is a street tracker in line with the old xr 750 flat track bikes. upright bars, flat track seat and mono shock rear. while cool is not a cafe at all. Ecosse makes about as close as i've seen to a cafe american on a regular basis, but at 50,000 plus who can afford onehttp://www.ecossemoto.com/index.htm
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Tom_b
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oh excuse me 64,000 plus. It's been a while since i've seen the website
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Rex
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Gtobill
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lots of stuff here that could be adapted
http://www.omarsdtr.com/homesitedtr.html
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Rich
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My old one, traded it in on my 1st Buell.

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Djkaplan
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

An XRCR!
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, then:

XB

S1
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Rick_a
Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2007 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can't forget the Blast



The only limit is your own imagination and money
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Tom_b
Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2007 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

with the exception of the extended swingarm, that is the coolest blast i've ever seen!
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Dave_02_1200
Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rick a,

The balck KL cafe you posted at 7:59 PM on 9-13 is beautiful!

Where did you find the photo? Do you have any information about the bike or the builder/owner?

It looks right to me!
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Buellfighter
Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bunch O cool pics of american cafe racers posted here!
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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2007 - 02:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both those pics are from a Japanese site, Misumi Engineering. They're a Harley shop specializing in cafe racers and they have a race team.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2007 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Tom_b
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2007 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that is funny as hell rick a. that a japanese shop builds better american cafe bikes than most americans. Of course Zero engineering builds better choppers than most americans http://www.zerochop.com/

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(Message edited by tom_b on September 17, 2007)
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Buellfart
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2007 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess the question becomes-WHY HASN`T ANY AMERICAN BUILT A DECENT BUELL CAFE RACER?If so many of us seem to like them so much why has everyone essentially given up?It is not impossible and requires a little thinking outside of the "Chopper/Streetfighter" box.I guess we are just stuck in that box.A very strange phenomenon-if you can`t slam it together in a matter of days on TV,forget about it.
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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2007 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've got links to a few Japanese shops. They're tough to navigate but those dudes are serious fanatics.



That's a dual throttle body, 8 valve, 1360cc XB engine in a flat track style frame...built for road racing.
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Brokeneck
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 12:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rich --
I hope they treated you right when you traded in that bike -- that is going to be one of the most collectable Harleys of all time -- very cool --
I guess I always thought of all Buells as Cafe racers when you compare them to stock Sporttys.
I still have my old Norton Dunstall -- I've always wanted to Cafe it but it's so original it would be a crime.
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Buellfart
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had a Norton Dunstall with Lake injectors 30 years ago-it kicked ass for its` time;drove Halfmoon bay to Santa Cruz in 29 minutes once-52 miles on a Sunday morning.Jack rabbit almost ended my Buell future that day.
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Tom_b
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


buell cafe
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Jayvee
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, THAT don't suck.

Cafe enough for you?
Looks a bit like a Dunstall NorVin.

I think the classic XLCR look is perfectly as good as anything ever produced by a factory. Almost no "cafe" look came from a modern factory, BMW R90S and the XLCR are icons for this reason I think.
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This one is giving me thoughts:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/29january07_steffan o_cafe9.htm

(It's a dangerous time to be getting thoughts....)
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Tom_b
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

is the above pic a cafe enough buell? wire wheels,dunstall/rickman fairing. try doing this yourself and plan on spending several thousand above the cost of the bike.this pic was posted here several months ago and i loved it. don't even remember who posted or who owns it. but they did say the wheels alone were costly
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Buellfart
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK,Tom_b,that is a decent effort,seen it before-is this the only one though?Now if this owner just put some Norton type mufflers on it and relocated the shock,XB style,larger diameter wheels(different forks,and slightly longer swingarm and a non-fabric,cafe tail section-hide battery in tail section,V-shaped oil tank under the engine-belly pan style,drop the suspension and seat pan down as low as possible and keep Buell frame geometry insofar as possible,lower,longer gas tank with knee and clipon (if needed)indents- I`d have to say that somebitch is one hell of an American Cafe Racer.Wouldn`t that be really cool looking though or should I book passage to Amsterdam?
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Buellfart
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK,this was the epiphany for me of cafe racer,Buell or not,cafe racer or not-rent "Lawrence of Arabia",that opening scene,the rumble of the J.A.P. V-twin and all that nickel-plated,mechanical art.That was and still is "IT",as far as I`m concerned.You just can`t beat that.I know there have been sad attempts at recreating the spirit of "it",with a Harley engine-gag.Its` all just lipstick on a pig,ya know?
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Jayvee
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is definitely pre cafe, Brough Superior.
The "cafe" look came in the late 50's to early 60's.

That Velocette is really nice. Would a BLAST engine go in there? How much was this bike, $60,000 ?

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Bob_thompson
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just got back from vacation so I'm jumping in here a little late. Here is my pre XLCR '70 Sportster based cafe racer built by me in 1974, 86 cu. in., oil in frame ala early Triumphs, deraked fork to about 26 degrees, real magnesium wheels, and three disc brakes from a then starting out Performance Machine. Fun to ride but not much in the handling dept. Why I love Buells now. Sorry about the old Poloroid picture.


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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I never get tired of seeing that old Ironhead,Bob : )

Like it was the dream that became the S1
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