| Author | Message | ||
     Hughlysses |
Next iteration of the new Sportster just revealed. I think it looks decent, and it weighs less than 500 lbs.  https://www.cyclenews.com/2022/04/article/2022-har ley-davidson-nightster/ | ||
| Ratbuell |
...looks like a Scout... | ||
| Tpehak |
Looks like a 70 yo motorcycle. | ||
| Mad_max |
$13.5K and you get VVT & ABS. 2 things you don’t get on a $26K ‘22 Buell. Does anyone else think the ‘21 Sportster should have come with the 150HP Pan America engine? | ||
| Tpehak |
I think it must come with 200 HP engine as minimum. | ||
| Two_seasons |
Ah, but wait, the real question needs to be asked...where is it manufactured?  | ||
| Hootowl |
I would rather have the Buell than two of those. | ||
| Mad_max |
I already have a 1190RX but for $26K I’d rather have     Than two Nightsters | ||
| Crusty |
Ah, yes; there's nothing quite so revealing as showing contempt prior to investigation. | ||
| 86129squids |
I've ridden the Pan America. WHOA. THAT motor/bike is DANG impressive... and the first iteration Sportster with that smaller motor was covered up for test rides at the Tennessee HOG rally, hosted here in lil' ol' Mur-Vil. I'd signed up to test it, but didn't get to. Did ride a Sportglide with the 4 valve motor... very nice indeed. Still wanting a Uly... but, if I had the $, a Pan America would be tempting. Talked to a local MC cop, he had ridden one, day before I did, said they'd be ideal po-po bikes.  | ||
| Rick_a |
Small is big. This is my current favorite new bike.  I'd be happy to get my DR back on the road. | ||
| Cycleaddict |
2 inches of rear wheel travel is a deal breaker for me . | ||
| 86129squids |
I'm looking to test on of the new RE models with the 650cc motor... I'd love to get me a KLR or DR 650 though. If I could find a 1994 or earlier Suzuki Intruder 1400... those all had a 4 speed transmission. Bought one back when I was a buyer agent for a MC wholesaler... DANG nice cruiser! Rode it out to Tellico Plains and back. Like my old Shovelhead... except, dependable. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Ah, yes; there's nothing quite so revealing as showing contempt prior to investigation. I freely admit I won't do business with a company whose practices I disagree with. They're called PRINCIPLES. I also do everything I can to avoid buying anything that says "made in China". Again - principles. HD could make the best bike in the world. But their business choices make them the last company I'd want to deal with. But I don't see that being an issue because, having worked for them in the past, I don't see "best bike in the world" being on their list of offerings anyway. They don't seem to understand (or care about) physics, handling, braking, or ergonomics like any other motorcycle manufacturer does. So yes, I show contempt without investigation because frankly, I have zero desire to investigate their product. | ||
| Oldog |
WELL HELL, THE SPORTY LUMP THAT WAS IN THE BUELLS IS GOING AWAY.. SO MUCH FOR PARTS FOR A TUBE FRAME. MY LOCAL DEALER IS GREAT BUT, WHAT HD DID TO BUELL, SORRY NOT INTERESTED IF I BUY ANOTHER BIKE IT WILL PROBABLY BE JAPANESE.. | ||
| 86129squids |
There are principles, and also there is dogma. Do not be blinded be either. I hope you are well, Joe, and Happy Easter to you, my friend. | ||
| Mad_max |
I was never clear what happened between Erik and HD. Is this what everyone’s referring or is there more? https://www.rideapart.com/features/258932/report-h arley-could-have-should-have-sold-buell/ | ||
| 86129squids |
I've always argued that H-D should've and could've used Buell as an aspirational brand just like all the other big MC companies. When you hire in a bean counter from Frigidaire or Maytag to run "America's Motorcycle Company", now, that's just dumb. Apparently never ridden before, certainly not an "enthusiast"... you can walk in my old workplace and now that is an Official Title of a sales floor peon. Oh well. There's more to it, Madness Maximus. Elucidation forthcoming.  | ||
| Patches |
"2022 Knotster" Not a Harley! Shovelheads rule! | ||
| Cycleaddict |
"shovelheads rule" the slow, overweight, scrape the road category . i/e chrome glide , loud glide etc. | ||
| Patches |
Yes Cycleaddict thats what I'm talking about.    As for the Shovelhead, they don't call them a Milwaukee Vibrator for nothing.  ____ Speed limits in Kentucky 70 mph: rural freeways and interstates 65 mph: urban interstates 55 mph: all other highways, including two-lane and four-lane divided roads 35 mph: residential and business districts 25 mph: some areas inside city limits, as posted 25 mph: school zones when yellow lights are flashing, or as posted 15 mph: off-street parking facilities State law requires that only parkways and interstates may have speed limits over 55 mph. ___ How many times have you had an Attractive Young Lady ask you to take them for a ride on your Buell while you're on a closed race course? | ||
| Cycleaddict |
in my world the roads dictate the speeds not the gub-ment.acceleration , corners and good brakes are why i ride . | ||
| 86129squids |
I kinda miss my '77 Shovel Lowrider. And yes, the vibrator function is real. Plus, mine blew blue flames from the tailpipes, Fkin loud, needed earplugs to ride it whenever it would allow a ride and not break down somewhere. Fun but problematic bike, still miss it! Kinda like my CityX. | ||
| Patches |
Speed, corners and brakes I never had a problem with. If you have to go fast, do it on a track that way others don't have to pay higher insurance rates. As far as breakdowns, all bikes are only as good as the last "monkey" that put a wrench to it. Loud... aftermarket sells baffles for pipes. Besides I'll take the sound of a Harley-Davidson over a pissed off bumble bee any day. | ||
| Patches |
The lame (Honda Shadow) sound of the new Knotster is the problem I have with it. If Harley-Davidson would have kept or engineered in the old-school Sportster sound it might have made it more appealing. Just my opinion. {Warning} Opinions are like bungholes, everybody has one! | ||
| Mad_max |
I think it became a matter of survival. https://moneywise.com/a/ch-c/brands-you-love-that- may-disappear-forever/p-9?utm_source=twitter_arz&u tm_content=534584&utm_campaign=534584&utm_term=&ut m_medium=outbrain_arz Some are crediting the new Rev Max as the engine that saved HD. https://www.motorcycle.com/features/more-than-you- probably-wanted-to-know-about-the-harley-davidson- 1250-revolution-max-engine.html | ||
| 86129squids |
... Not having read a damn thing about the Rev-max articles relevant and noted above, I have ridden the Pan America. It may very well be the modern day equivalent of the Evolution motor back in the early '80's. Also- I spoke with a local motor-cop who test rod the Pan America the day before I did. He said they should make police bikes out of them. My first thought whilst/after riding the bike was that the PA is a BMW Gelande-Strasse killer. Time will tell. | ||
| Patches |
I think doing away with the distinctive Harley-Davidson sound is a way wrong direction for Harley-Davidson to go. The sound of a Harley-Davidson is well known worldwide. Without the distinctive Harley-Davidson sound, it is just another dull RICE GRINDER. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_trademark In the United States, the test for whether a sound can serve as a trademark "depends on [the] aural perception of the listener which may be as fleeting as the sound itself unless, of course, the sound is so inherently different or distinctive that it attaches to the subliminal mind of the listener to be awakened when heard and to be associated with the source or event with which it struck". This was the fairly strict test applied by the US Trademark Trial and Appeal Board in the case of General Electric Broadcasting Co., 199 USPQ 560, in relation to the timed toll of a ship's bell clock. More famously, Harley-Davidson attempted to register as a trademark the distinctive "chug" of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle engine. On February 1, 1994, the company filed its application with the following description: "The mark consists of the exhaust sound of applicant's motorcycles, produced by V-twin, common crankpin motorcycle engines when the goods are in use." Nine of Harley-Davidson's competitors filed oppositions against the application, arguing that cruiser-style motorcycles of various brands use the same crankpin V-twin engine which produces the same sound. After six years of litigation, with no end in sight, in early 2000, Harley-Davidson withdrew their application. Other companies have been more successful in registering their distinctive sounds: MGM and their lion's roar; the NBC chimes; famous basketball team the Harlem Globetrotters and their theme song "Sweet Georgia Brown"; Intel and the three-second chord sequence used with the Pentium processor; THX and its "Deep Note"; Federal Signal Corporation and the sound of their "Q2B" fire truck siren; AT&T and the spoken letters "AT&T" accompanied by music; RKO with a combined moving image and sound mark depicting the RKO Pictures radio tower transmitting a Morse-code like signal; and 20th Century Fox with the famous fanfare composed by Alfred Newman. | ||
| Ratbuell |
You can't make that sound with an overhead-cam, standard-ignition twin. The cadence is based on firing offset, crank positioning, etc. It isn't "tuned"; it's "built". That's why Honda twins, and Kawasaki twins, sound "blatty" by comparison - they use different architecture. Frankly, if all a motorcycle company has going for them is a sound? Pass. | ||
| Patches |
Like I said it's a copy-kat " dull RICE GRINDER". https://thunderpress.net/editorial/columnists/motorhead-memo-v-twin-vibe-angles/2014/11/15.htm https://thunderpress.net/motorcycle-reviews/engine-eering-a-sidebar-to-the-sportster-s/2021/10/05.htm  |
