| Author | Message | ||
     Willmrx |
You guys ready? | ||
| Ebutch |
1st democrat president    | ||
| Rick_a |
Cultural Marxism is so blasé. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
I'm not ready. But then, I don't believe their will be a Race War. A 'Cultural War' maybe. A Civil War quite possibly, but not a hard line Race War. More and more people are becoming wise to the media's game. Sure, lots of idiots out there, but I'd like to think enough people are smart enough not to be baited into a Race War. If a pure Race War breaks out, you can count me out. I have friends and loved ones of various races, and will not get sucked into that kind of evil. | ||
| Zac4mac |
 I sure wish we could get back to equality and raise those with drive to the top of society. This bullshit equity drags everyone equally to the bottom. Be nice to everyone, leave everyplace better than you found it and count the efficacy of your day’s efforts by how many people smile because of you. Z (Message edited by zac4mac on November 22, 2021) | ||
| Hootowl |
+1. Anybody comes for my multiracial family they’re going to face a reckoning. | ||
| Rick_a |
There is but one human race. There are many cultures and ethnicities. | ||
| Hootowl |
Semantics. | ||
| Rick_a |
No, quite literally. They are shades and colors, not races. People have been conditioned to believe in human races, and it's flatly false. | ||
| Hootowl |
The term ‘human race’ is not descriptive of a species. It is an idiom. Race describes origin, not species. Humans are one species, not one race. So - semantics. | ||
| 86129squids |
I kinda think Hoot's right on this topic. "Race" seems easily below the idea of species. Race to me is a social construct, and more easily proven false than the concept of species. I dunno, but that seems more true to me. I try not to judge any book by its cover... but sometimes it's hard to follow that maxim. | ||
| 86129squids |
And... y'know, I just cannot grok or understand... how one can equate masks that inspire hatred with those masks that actually can and do prevent sickness and death. Whatever, Ederp. I much prefer ANY mask that helps me, you and greater society to one that represents racism. They are NOT the same, whatever "logic" you seem to be following. | ||
| Aesquire |
Not race war. That's THEIR Label-that's-a-Lie for (Your Label Here) conquest of an occupied people. The Bad Guys are the Commies. Which sounds all 50s paranoid, but in reality is factually accurate. They may call themselves social democrats or socialists or progressives, any of the offspring & schism branches of the same religious cult. ( most of the labels are lies to cool the ignorant ) Culture war? That's fairly good, but It makes it sound like ethnic cookoffs, & not riots and murders encouraged by The Party. Religious war. If that sounds really dark and fanatical, it should. Mobs, censorship, and Heresy trials. That's the early stages. As to Ready? I was really hoping to be gone before the Apocalypse, and I'm too peaceful hippie pagan old for storming the fortress. So I'll pray in my own tradition for peace and understanding. The vast majority of American Citizens are hard working decent people. True, half are below average, but that's true everywhere except China & North Korea, and they lie about it. Be of good cheer, and Hope. And don't buy all the toilet paper! (Message edited by Aesquire on November 22, 2021) | ||
| Hootowl |
Rick, I agree with your intent. | ||
| Rick_a |
Race is a pretty basic term with a very definite meaning. As it is commonly used in regards to humans it is factually false. Its origin is that of a socio-political concept, not reality. I don't care about intent. I care about reality. I could show you a scientific paper that proves my point, but it seems Hootowl is more interested in being right. There is a huge difference in accepted belief and actual truth. I like to side with the latter. I've been around too long to give up on reality. I'm not interested in dogmatic political beliefs and their terms no matter how widespread the acceptance. The "race war," you see, is a simpleton's game if you've been fooled into buying the lie to begin with. | ||
| Hootowl |
Well, being right is important. Winning an argument isn’t. Words have meaning. Race is a social construct, void of biology, for the most part- we are all very much the same. Scientists will tell you there are three types of people: Caucasoids, negroids, and mongoloids. Based on bone structure - the skull, specifically. I maintain we are humans and human-neanderthal hybrids. DNA testing bears this out. Not sure how I ruffled your feathers, Rick. I get where you’re coming from, and I agree with you. Our differing opinion is just semantics. | ||
| Rick_a |
The term race in science has a specific meaning and criteria. In factual terms there are no races in humans. People originating from different migration patterns can have identifying features, but according to DNA we're all the same race, man. The people in the same migratory groups have more genetic in group differences than people from other geographic origins. Like all the other goofy crap people choose to believe in, just because western "scholars" made it up, doesn't mean it's true. I'm not into bull. Nothing personal. Anthropology still uses such terms to identify different groups. That's all it's good for. Race in humans is a cultural and socio-political construct with no basis in fact. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC37373 65/ | ||
| Hootowl |
Words have meaning, Rick. You can deny meaning all you want, but the word race, as applied to humans, is a differentiator. And, like I said, the difference is meaningless. But that doesn’t change the meaning or usage of the word. I’m done here. | ||
| Crusty |
Divide and Conquer. It's worked for millennia. Now, it's being used successfully on the USA. | ||
| Rick_a |
I live in the world of reality. Not the world of make believe. I'll take literal meanings over concoctions meant to divide us. There is one race of homo sapiens is factual. There are multiple races in humans is false. It's no different than all the other social constructs and propaganda used for such purposes. | ||
| Mnscrounger |
With the result of the North Carolina civil trial in, I have a hypothetical question to pose for what I believe to be the smartest and most diverse thinkers on the web. Disclaimer: I am not condemning or condoning anything that happened that day. My curiosity is pure legal theory that I hope someone can help educate me about. What I do know: A relatively small number of people were found guilty of criminal acts. ( not relevant to my question) The awards in this civil trial were $25 million in compensatory and punitive damages for actions by individuals as members of the defendant organizations. What I do not know: What specific act/s by the defendant organizations' officials/members, convinced the jury to find liability against them. My question: Could this verdict be used as precedent for business owners, state and local governments, and otherwise aggrieved individuals, to hold organizers of other past, and future protests, liable for damages that occur from an organizations rightful peaceful assembly devolving into riots? There are some deep pockets out there behind the protest movements, (all sides). I'll bet many city governments would love to use a settlement to help defray the cost of rebuilding their city. I would also bet insurance companies would be eager to subrogate for damages they received in claims. Follow up: Does this verdict impact the liability/responsibility regarding any groups' right to free speech and peaceable assembly, and if so, how? Anyone wanna help educate a non-lawyer??... | ||
| Hootowl |
Rick, you are conflating race and species. They have distinct and different definitions. Saying there aren’t different races because we’re all human is like saying there's no such thing as blonds and brunettes because we’re all human. I guess I wasn’t done.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Hoot - Rick is actually, technically correct. We are one human race - homo sapiens. Blond/brunette/redhead/asian/caucasian/negroid are all subsets of the one, human, race. Skin color is no more or less an identifier than hair color or eye color. And we don't have a "redhead race" or a "blue eye race", so... | ||
| Aesquire |
Race, like hair color, is in one sense, ( often a legal sense ) an 18th century European invention to justify slavery. Ditto Jim Crow laws, CRT, ( although that's a perversion of a perversion, & 2 wrongs in, that don't make right ) Slavery for hundreds of years. Ironically the English & Dutch slave trades bought their slaves from the Muslim North Africans, who didn't care so much what race you were, but declared all not of The Faith slaves. In both cases the idea is that THE OTHER, is subhuman, & therefore justified to exploit. There's a lot of European attitude, some we inherited, ( others we explicitly rejected ) the Destiny to raise up the barbarians and bring them Civilization. Religious factions competing for souls. ( & armies, & later, votes ) All the human made bad. Then there's the real, genetic difference between say, redheads & Mongolians. Mongolians as a group, ( and in bell curves related to immigration and location ) tend to have ear was that's not sticky. Obvious natural selection of a positive physical trait for desert dwellers. Redheads ( bell curves, & lots of immigration ) tend to have melanin deficient skin, and that's a positive for far northern cold climate folk, who need to produce Vitamin D from minimum exposure to Sunlight. The labels are arguable! Most are one European scientist's labels. ( from an age when making lists of different things, ( rocks, critters, plants ) & naming them was basic science. ) But the Concept of races is really old and based on ancient conflicts ( Korea and Japan ) and obvious appearance. You can see at a glance a northern European in a crowd of Japanese, or Nubians. Even when in cultures where "race" made zero difference in legal & economic matters, like the Roman Empire, writers of the day would describe ( for example ) a man by wealth, status, and if different than most skin or hair color. Using the ever changing terms of the time. So, yes, race exists. It matters in medicine, as genes seem to determine both color and biochemistry. And, no, Race, in the racist sense, is Evil bull$%&+. End rant. | ||
| Hootowl |
Rat, you’ve both got it exactly backwards. The term human race is a holdover from a bygone era. Race and species used to be interchangeable, but that was hundreds of years ago. The modern definitions of race and species are different. I can’t believe we’re arguing over definitions. Crack open a dictionary and see for yourself. Race is a social construct. Has nothing to do with species. Not any longer. | ||
| Aesquire |
Does this verdict impact the liability/responsibility regarding any groups' right to free speech and peaceable assembly, and if so, how? Oh, yeah, you betcha. How? Not in any way I see positive. Law is based on precedent. Which means fads. The judge before made this decision, so you keep using it, & Then there's peer pressure to make everyone do it that way. Fads can be manipulated. My Little Pony has advertising. Changing laws has lobbyists and lawyers. | ||
| Crusty |
Don't forget the 535 Baboons. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Not any longer. Doesn't make it correct. The term "protestor" is widely used today, to describe people who burn, destroy, steal, and attack others. Those people are not "protestors", they are "rioters". Definitions are not fluid. Neither is truth. | ||
| Hootowl |
Rat, why is it that we do not refer to animal races? Because race no longer means species. Hasn’t for over 300 years. Language evolves over time. This is different than altering word meanings for political purposes, as the left is wont to do. | ||
| Aesquire |
The term you probably don't want to use is "breed". !like Swastikas were ruined by the Nazis... ( old symbol in multiple lands ) " Breed" was ruined by the Klan Party and Eugenics fans like the founder of planned parenthood. Also used to condemn inter "racial" marriages. In dogs etc. Interfertile critters that are physically distinct are breeds. Some definitions of species include fertility. If two can have babies, it's the same species. No need to argue. Race is a human construct. And isolated populations form distinct physical characteristics. Those aren't mutually exclusive facts. Afaik, there aren't infertile other species human looking folk. It might happen. Karens seem to have babies, are the poor schleps that fertilize them inhuman too?  Insert rude joke... |
