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     H0gwash |
Possibly. It depends on the specific circumstances. I think a local religious group was banned from meeting on a local campus because they discriminated against gay membership (?) and were banned on those grounds, not explicitly because they were religious. You have to find the details and maybe you have a case. | ||
| Hootowl |
These groups weren’t public after hours meetings using school property for their meetings, they were school clubs, same as debate, drama, etc. The only cases where I’ve heard of gays being discriminated against were public non-student groups that wanted to rent rooms from a private school for their meetings. They were told they could not because the church disapproves of homosexuality. I’m not aware of the outcome of the cases, but it’s not relevant, since it is student groups that I am referring to. | ||
| Sami |
H0gwash, Hopefully you're right, although Wikipedia suggests otherwise: ''The Supreme Court is also ruled that so-called "voluntary" school prayers are also unconstitutional, because they force some students to be outsiders to the main group, and because they subject dissenters to intense peer group pressure.'' | ||
| Sami |
H0gwash: ''So I think yes, if the student speaking about their own beliefs without school endorsement, the kid can pretty much say anything that doesn't cause a riot.'' Sometimes saying something true can cause a riot. It is said that in a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. | ||
| Sami |
Hootowl: ''Only for as long as a conservative is in office. When the socialists retake the whitehouse, God will be on the outs again. Given the number of young adults enamored with communism these days, it’s almost inevitable.'' Majority of teens are in favour of prayer in schools, so socialists will have a hard time to reverse public opinion. From Wikipedia: Public opinion Questions regarding whether prayer should be present or absent in the United States public school system have been causing controversy for decades due to the need to allow religious freedom and guarantee the rights of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Although the topic has many opponents as well as those who are indifferent to the issue, a 2014 Gallup poll indicates that the majority of Americans, 61%, are in favor of daily prayer in the classroom and 37% oppose daily worship[26] Evangelical Protestants are more likely to approve of school prayer than other religious groups. In a nationally representative study of 1,800 teens in the United States, 68 percent of the Evangelical Protestant teens that were surveyed thought it was appropriate for a teacher to lead a class in prayer while only 25 percent of unaffiliated teens agreed. [27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_prayer_in_the _United_States | ||
| Hootowl |
Students will not have a say in whether prayer is banned; they cannot vote. | ||
| Sami |
Hootowl, True, but students have one thing: memory. They will remember how socialists want to have a war on faith despite the fact that most people want prayer in schools. Also, many people who can vote are also tired of the war on faith, so overall I think that socialists are going to have a hard time ahead of them. | ||
| Hootowl |
I sincerely hope you’re right, but I fear that you are not. | ||
| Sami |
Hootowl, Even if I'm wrong and socialists win, then there is another alternative: homeschooling. Public schooling may become a thing of the past. One main benefit of homeschooling is that it's free from student debt. Technology has made if much easier to homeschool children. Corona crisis could be a blessing in disguise, though it may not appear that way now. Americans are rejecting the ‘homeschool myth’ — and experts say the misunderstood education might be better than public or charter schools https://www.businessinsider.nl/homeschooing-more-p opular-than-ever-2017-1?international=true&r=US | ||
| Hootowl |
Oh, I agree about homeschooling. Although, success depends on the parents. I’m also in favor of small neighborhood or friend-based private schools. One size does not fit all, and schools should not cater to the lowest common denominator. | ||
| Blake |
All: Great conversation. You people are alright.  Hogs: From where do blessings come? Isn't most all criminal law legislating morality, or more accurately legislating against immortality? Some just don't agree on what is immoral, or immoral enough to legislate against. Gerard: Do not move to Iran! After an entire colonial and national history that embraced an promoted unifying expressions of gratitude to and recognition of the supreme being as our ultimate authority, the Supreme Court in 1960, with ZERO precedent, declared school-sanctioned non-denominational prayer illegal. Essentially a small group of unelected lawyers mandated that contrary to the entire history of the nation beforehand, that school sanctioned non-denominational generic prayer is immoral, and so much so that it must be criminal to allow it. Zero doubt this was Marxist strategy and planning all the way. There was no precedent whatsoever to support the decision. There was MASSIVE precedent and documentation from the founders themselves refuting the decision. The case should be overturned. The atheist-Marxists have essentially imposed their religion upon all our schools. I'm grateful for the Convention of the States movement that is sweeping the nation. This is interesting: https://www.prageru.com/video/the-key-to-unhappine ss/ | ||
| Blake |
Prayer is the ultimate expression of gratitude. | ||
| Sami |
Washington Post worried that homeschooling during COVID-19 lockdown will ‘set back a generation of children’ https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/28/washing ton-post-worried-that-homeschooling-during-covid-1 9-lockdown-will-set-back-a-generation-of-children/ Mainstream media are afraid of homeschooling. I wonder why? (Message edited by Sami on April 04, 2020) | ||
| Aesquire |
One of the memes ( on homeschooling ) posted link over on CCPvirus thread addresses your post. Gratitude takes higher brain function to exist. A buddy insists cats are stupid & dogs are smart, relatively. Imho dogs express gratitude, ( or at least happiness ) but cats don't. So that supports his view. I could be wrong! I've only been owned by one cat that I inherited from an ex & he had been mistreated. So I can't claim deep insight. Still, I like cats. God's perfect apex predator. It could be that cats are simply too dedicated to looking cool to show gratitude, like adolescent humans. | ||
| Sami |
This one: https://www.bookwormroom.com/2020/04/02/bookworm-b eat-4-2-20-the-coronavirus-laughs-never-stop-illus trated-edition/  Leftists: We can't allow an entire generation of children to be set back! Coronavirus: Hold my beer. | ||
| H0gwash |
IMHO blessings come from our social community which may be why so many churchgoers are having a hard time doing church by internet. Yes, laws necessarily codify values into words. The problem is that once you define them, you define how to subvert them. The only reason to go to Iran nowadays is to get sex reassignment surgery, and I have noo plans for that, I am quite happy here. The question about church vs school had been brewing for decades. It just took 1 question to start the process. It is a clarification of the Constitution and how it affects our daily lives. The atheists won only very narrowly, the teachers and the staff are muzzled against showing favoritism as a nod to the Constitution. The students have the final say and they will outnumber and outlive the staff. The socialist thing going around is exaggerated, IMHO, it makes for a great attention grabbing headline, but it is a catch-all for alternative thinking. It gets mainstream American thinking how things should really be, and the solution that gets hammered out rarely resembles Marxism. My sister is a teacher and they have gone online. She really enjoys it now because the lack of commute gives her 2 extra hours a day. She did lose one student who went AWOL, she is a Mexican immigrant girl in an unstable household. My sister gave the girl a nice laptop to be used, but the girl never logged in. I am a student and all my classes suddenly transitioned to online classes in the space of 2 weeks. It was remarkably seamless. | ||
| Sami |
Social community needs to be cohesive. Prayer, and by extension religion, provides for social cohesion. Without religion and prayer, social cohesion becomes theoretical. Religion makes social cohesion practical. History proves this too. Without religion and prayer, societal cohesion takes a dive. Higher divorce rate, abortion, single parenthood, increase in drugs and crime, etc. I don't see how defining values is a problem. That's like saying, defining marriage allows for how to subvert marriage. I disagree. If marriage is between a man and a woman, then it doesn't follow that defining marriage as such allows for its subversion. The fact that marriage has been subverted is not the result of the definition of marriage as such. Rather, it is the result of the culture war and the war on faith. Definitions are important and codifying values even more so. Without this, there would be no social cohesion. (Message edited by Sami on April 04, 2020) | ||
| H0gwash |
The problem is not the defining of laws, the problem is with the words. It is only a minor point, and it keeps the legal conversation going as culture changes over time. | ||
| Sami |
The problem is with Marxist redefinition of words. Who is changing culture over time? Certainly Marxists have changed culture over time via their long march through the institutions. Not every change is for the better. Here is proof:  | ||
| Ourdee |
Not this birds first fish fly. | ||
| Sami |
It's the fish' last bird fly. | ||
| H0gwash |
I keep misreading that as "fish fry" and I salivate a little. | ||
| Sami |
Poll: Almost 25% of Children Won’t Return to Public School https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/education/i tem/35796-poll-almost-25-of-children-won-t-return- to-public-school | ||
| Sami |
Public Education On The Edge Of Collapse https://victorygirlsblog.com/public-education-on-t he-edge-of-collapse/ | ||
| Tpehak |
It is already collapsed. If average education cycle is 15 years this school shutdown will hold the USA back up to 15 years. | ||
| Sami |
I don't hold public schooling in high regard. I welcome the collapse, because I think that it will be for the good knowing that public schooling has been a place of indoctrination instead of a place of learning a trade. I do not think that the American people will be hit by school shutdown, on the contrary, the shutdown will give power and voice back to the people who previously were powerless and voiceless. The media has collapsed, now it is the turn of the schools to follow suit. The stranglehold of the Left on the media and the education system is no longer there. This is good news for the people, but I can understand why this is bad news for the Left. The Leftist Empire is built upon three pillars: Media, Education and Entertainment. Media has collapsed. Education has collapsed. As for Entertainment, it is also on the verge of collapse: Hollywood is About to Lose $5 Billion to Coronavirus Theaters all over the world are closing thanks to the COVID-19 pandemic and Hollywood is paying a hefty price. https://nofilmschool.com/coronavirus-outbreak-holl ywood Hollywood Could Take $20 Billion Hit From Coronavirus Impact https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-c ould-take-20-billion-hit-coronavirus-impact-128458 2 Report: Hollywood Studios Brace to Lose Billions in Asia over Coronavirus https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/02/28/report-hollywood-studios-brace-to-lose-billions-of-dollars-in-asia-from-coronavirus/ (Message edited by Sami on May 26, 2020) | ||
| Tpehak |
They just can cut salaries for Hollywood stars and they will be fine. Most of those billions are just movie starts benefits. | ||
| Sami |
They can try all sorts of things to save Pedowood, eh I mean Hollywood, but there's only so much one can do to save a sinking ship. Liberal identity politics has ruined many movies, from Star Wars to Marvel to Disney and so on. | ||
| Sami |
This is a satire piece, but good nonetheless: Teachers Urge Government To Reopen Schools Before Students Learn To Think For Themselves https://babylonbee.com/news/teachers-warn-parents- arent-properly-equipped-to-indoctrinate-children/ | ||
| Hootowl |
Hmm. I thought the Bee only published satire.  |
