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Tpehak
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They are probably trying to save inmates lives, not to stop spread of disease.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The excuse that was published in Philly is that it was a "compassionate release" to keep inmates from getting sick.

Of course, the same locale is no longer arresting people for carjacking, theft, b&e, assault, prostitution, or vandalism. While all the storefronts are empty. Because they have a SIP order. Oh, and gun sales are banned and PA is trying to start a ban on mail-order ammunition.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jail should keep violent people and thieves away from the rest of us. If you get let out of jail every day so you can go to work, I have to wonder how dangerous you are to society. Maybe there’s a better way for these folks.
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Tpehak
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

South Dakota inmates escape from coronavirus-stricken jail

https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/inmates-escape-from- coronavirus-stricken-jail-in-south-dakota/


‘Disaster waiting to happen’: Thousands of inmates released as jails and prisons face coronavirus threat

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/disaster-waiting-to-happen-thousands-of-inmates-released-as-jails-face-coronavirus-threat/2020/03/24/761c2d84-6b8c-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html

(Message edited by TPEHAK on March 26, 2020)
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you get let out of jail every day so you can go to work, I have to wonder how dangerous you are to society.

I sat and watched those guys come and go every morning and night for a bit while I was waiting for my permanent residence.

They have to pay weekly for the privilege of being let out each morning only to return each night. If they are late, they risk being taken off the eligibility list, and forfeit the full amount of the program.

It's just a giant money grab. Prison budgets are hanging on the wall in the common areas, but most inmates are too dumb to understand it.

Not this inmate, however. The whole fookin system is one giant money grab.
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Tpehak
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They might be not too dangerous for society, but when one of them will come after you it is not going to be a good day for you.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If they are not violent, or a thief, what do I have to be concerned about if they “come after me”?
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If Matt came after me, the only thing I’d be concerned about is being able to drink all the beer he brought with him.
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Tpehak
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It depends on the reason they are in the jail.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

US virus deaths may top 80,000 despite confinement: study

I've got to ask again, with the automakers talking to the government about building ventilators, just how many ventilators do they think they may need?

FIFTYS!
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Tpehak
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

3 millions Americans filed for unemployment and it just keeps growing at alarming rate

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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo:

Yahoo? Seriously? : )

No, I haven't read the "article," nor will I; I refuse to give them a click. Talk about Fake News. Isikoff and Corn. I shouldn't have to say more.

Care to summarize, including who did the "study"?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I’ve got to ask again, with the automakers talking to the government about building ventilators, just how many ventilators do they think they may need?


OTOH, if the Trump Pills (hydroxychloroquine/ Z-pack /zinc sulfate) work anywhere nearly as well as the initial results show (French trial, doctor in NY with ~500 successful treatments, at least 2 more trials) they may not need a fraction of those ventilators.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For those afraid to click...


quote:

Paris (AFP) - COVID-19 could lead to more than 80,000 deaths in the US and overwhelm hospital capacity nationally as soon as early April even if social distancing measures are respected, new research showed Thursday.

The US death toll for the pandemic has already soared past 1,000, with 68,000 confirmed infections.

Forecasters at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington's School of Medicine analysed the latest COVID-19 data at a local, national and international level.

These include hospitalisation and mortality rates, as well as patient date in terms of age, gender and pre-existing health problems.

Specifically, they looked at the time lag between the first fatal cases and public interventions such as shuttering schools and businesses.

They then looked at each American state's ICU bed and ventilator capacity.

The analysis warned that based on current trends, demand for both would far exceed capacity for COVID-19 patients as early as the second week of April.

During the epidemic peak -- also set for some point in April -- as many as 2,300 patients could die every day, according to the IHME models.

This was the case even if the population adhered to strict social distancing measures.

"Our estimated trajectory of COVID-19 deaths assumes continued and uninterrupted vigilance by the general public, hospital workers, and government agencies," said Christopher Murray, IHME director.

"The trajectory of the pandemic will change -- and dramatically for the worse -- if people ease up on social distancing or relax with other precautions."

The analysis estimated that approximately 81,000 people in the US will die from the virus over the coming four months.

Estimates ranged between 38,000 and more than 160,000.

It forecast that a total of 21 US states will need more ICU beds than are currently available and that 12 states may need to increase their capacity by 50 percent or more to accommodate patient needs.

The economic shutdown triggered by the coronavirus pandemic caused an unprecedented 3.3 million people to file for unemployment benefits last week alone.

"We hope these forecasts will help leaders of medical systems figure out innovative ways to deliver high-quality care to those who will need their services in the coming weeks," said Murray.


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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not to mention the plasma therapy that is proving equally successful.

Also - the automakers have to make...something. That keeps the lines moving, and the workers working. Getting on board to build a needed commodity, serves both masters at once. Much like clothing companies (NineLine shirts, for instance) changing 100% of their production over to N95 masks - make what there is a demand for, keep your workers working, keep your part of the economy vibrant.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Doing the math...those numbers show a 0.25% mortality rate based on the American population of 329,000,000.

Even their high-end 160k number...is still only half a percentage point of the American public.

Is 160,000 people dead horrible? Absolutely. But for the individual...one person out of every 200 could die on their high end; one out of 400 on their 80k number. At their low end of 38k, the chances of an individual dying would drop closer to 1 in 1,000.

Not trying to minimize, nor rationalize. But...let's use some perspective here folks. We're killing Western civilization for this.

Perspective:

According to the National Safety Council, your odds of dying of various causes are:
Heart disease, 1 in 6.
Cancer, 1 in 7.
Stroke, 1 in 28.
Motor vehicle accidents, 1 in 88.
Intentional self-harm, 1 in 112.
Accidental poisoning and exposure to noxious substances, 1 in 130.
Falls, 1 in 171.
Car crashes, 1 in 303.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Chloroquine study is in question. It was also covered in the last video I posted. Here's the gist of it though...
Malaria Drug Chloroquine No Better Than Regular Coronavirus Care, Study Finds

So you don't have to click...

quote:

Hydroxychloroquine, a medicine for malaria that President Donald Trump has touted as a treatment for coronavirus, was no more effective than conventional care, a small study found.

The report published by the Journal of Zhejiang University in China showed that patients who got the medicine didn’t fight off the new coronavirus more often than those who did not get the medicine.

The study involved just 30 patients. Of the 15 patients given the malaria drug, 13 tested negative for the coronavirus after a week of treatment. Of the 15 patients who didn’t get hydroxychloroquine, 14 tested negative for the virus.

The results of the study weren’t statistically significant.

Hydroxychloroquine, particularly when given with the antibiotic azithromycin, has received widespread attention following a controversial, small study of about 40 patients hospitalized with Covid-19 in France. In that study, the drug appeared to help clear the virus from the bodies of 26 patients who were given the medication, based on samples taken from nasal swabs. Experts have criticized the design of the study, calling it interesting but far from definitive.

Trump has said several times that he is confident the medicine will work. On Saturday, Vice President Mike Pence also touted the drug at a White House event.

“Doctors can now prescribe chloroquine for that off-label purpose of dealing with the symptoms of coronavirus,” Pence said. “The president’s very optimistic.”

Top scientists, including White House coronavirus task force member Anthony Fauci, have called reports that hydroxychloroquine might work anecdotal, and said they need further study before the pill’s use is encouraged.

It’s already being given to many hospitalized patients in New York, and larger trials are starting -- part of a broad effort to find anything that might work against the illness.

In the Chinese study, which was conducted by researchers from the department of infection and immunity at the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center, the 15 patients who didn’t get hydroxychloroquine were treated with conventional care.

This includes bed rest, oxgen inhalation, and the use of anti-viral drugs recommended in China’s treatment guidelines like lopinavir and ritonavir, and antibiotics when necessary.

One patient treated with hydroxychloroquine progressed to severe disease during the study. Four patients given the medicine developed diarrhea and signs of potential liver damage, compared with three getting conventional treatment.

The researchers concluded that additional studies using larger numbers of patients are needed to fully investigate the drug’s risks and benefits.




To be fair, both studies were very small and not without issues. I also hear there's a toothpaste that cures it.
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yahoo as a news source, followed up by Bloomberg?

In my best Corn Pop: "C'mon, man!"

: )
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The chloroquine on it's own I would call a possibly flawed study. However, Chloroquine and zinc sulphate together could be the game changer. Chloroquine opens the door on the cell to allow the zinc to be 10x more effective.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My math was off by a factor of ten.

80,000 dead is a one in four THOUSAND chance. 160,000 dead is a one in two THOUSAND chance. 38,000 dead? Approximately a one in TEN THOUSAND chance you'll die from this disease.

Perspective.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Watching your president right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4o7nryuJao
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Come on. Ignore who's reporting on it and focus on the data.

I finally found the source for a chart shown in the videos I've been posting. It's got some good data that's not normally reported. Click it, or don't... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We were talking about the Diamond Princess cruise ship earlier as a good case study because 100% of the population was tested. While 10 have died, what gets ignored most of the time is that 15 people are still in serious or critical condition from that ship. Those 15 people may push the death rate significantly higher or lower. It's interesting how long they are staying seriously ill though. That ties up hospital resources for a long time.

Looks like the US has overtaken Italy and China for the most confirmed cases now.

All is good, do not panic!

Meanwhile, I just got a phone call from work today, priming us for the possibility that we may not return to work on April 14 as was planned.
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Tpehak
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cruise ship is bad source of information because of specific crowd there, it is mostly old people, the way they interact with each other is different too so virus exposure and dead rate is different ether. You can not extrapolate that information on the whole world.

(Message edited by TPEHAK on March 26, 2020)
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Note who published the study claiming hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work:

The report published by the Journal of Zhejiang University in China...

Funny how they’re the only ones who have found this.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now I am watching your vice president.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also watching Pence.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, a great Hoosier. Now the "nurse" is on.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

She did a funny thing with her voice that made me question here honesty. hmmmm

And she started talking models. The way models have been working I just turn my head and cough.

Now, the doc is talking vaccines in trials.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My math was off by a factor of ten.

80,000 dead is a one in four THOUSAND chance. 160,000 dead is a one in two THOUSAND chance. 38,000 dead? Approximately a one in TEN THOUSAND chance you'll die from this disease.

Perspective.


Just to add to your "perspective", those estimates are WITH "strict social distancing measures". I really have no idea what the numbers might be without doing anything. On top of that, those are estimates of where we will be in 4 months, not when this is over. They did have this to say... "The trajectory of the pandemic will change -- and dramatically for the worse -- if people ease up on social distancing or relax with other precautions."

Have we at least gotten past "it's not as bad as the flu"?

I do understand what you are saying about the damage to the economy? Are you and the rest of the US willing to make a small change in their daily lives to get back to normal? That would be, when you are out of the house, wear a mask. Wear a mask shopping. Wear a mask at work. Wear a mask on the bus. Wear a mask dining out. Wear a mask at the movies. If you are in a public area, wear a mask. It's one of the easiest, cheapest, most effective way of controlling something like this. Virtually nobody in the US was willing to do that instead of what we have. Who should we blame?
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Note who published the study claiming hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work:

The report published by the Journal of Zhejiang University in China...

Funny how they’re the only ones who have found this.


To be fair, it's not something that's been widely studied. Both studies were way too small and not well controlled. I understand they are doing trials in NYC. I certainly think it worth looking at, but it may not the the magic bullet that was claimed.
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