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     Wolfridgerider |
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| Ferris_von_bueller |
This is new news to me so I have no preconceived bias. That being said what are the events that led up to this confrontation? What did the cop mumble before the man was shot? Did he attempt to go for a gun? | ||
| Reepicheep |
That video makes it look bad. From what I understand so far, the cops were there because somebody reported a man with a gun in the area. I have no idea if this was true or not. And at some point, somebody yells "he has a gun" while the individual is actively resisting, before the shots were fired. I have no idea if anyone (other than the cops) had one or not. At that point, things are fubar, and justice ceases to be much of a factor. It pretty much comes down to luck, and there a lot of bad luck to go around in that situation. When everyone is just escalating, this will play out this way often.  | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I'm just glad I'm not a cop. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
When the cop pulls his gun and points it at the mans head... my mouth dropped open in disbelief It looks like he pretty much pulled the trigger at point blank range. | ||
| Macbuell |
Good lord, man. | ||
| Mtnmason |
Not trying to exonerate the officer here as it does not appear to be a 'good shoot' based on the vid alone BUT... If you don't resist, your chances of being harmed are GREATLY reduced. Feel like you're being apprehended on some BS? Happens all the time and you'll have your day in court like everyone else. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for some to understand. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
If you don't resist, your chances of being harmed are GREATLY reduced. I agree 100% But that doesn't change the fact that the video made me say HOLY $HIT! | ||
| Macbuell |
He didn't look like he was resisting when the officer decided to charge him. He just looked like he was standing there. | ||
| Bandm |
Officers responded to the store about 12:35 a.m. Tuesday after an anonymous caller indicated a man selling music CDs and wearing a red shirt threatened him with a gun, said Cpl. L'Jean McKneely. Two officers responded and had some type of altercation with the man and one officer fatally shot the suspect, McKneely said. Both officers have been placed on administrative leave, which is standard department policy, he said. The store's owner, Abdul Muflahi, told WAFB-TV that the first officer used a Taser on Sterling and the second officer tackled the man. Muflahi said as Sterling fought to get the officer off of him, the first officer shot him "four to six times." The owner said Sterling did not have a gun in his hand at the time but he saw officers remove a gun from Sterling's pocket after the shooting. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/louisiana-polic e-officer-fatally-shoots-suspect-40346546 | ||
| Mtnmason |
He didn't look like he was resisting when the officer decided to charge him. He just looked like he was standing there. If you are being ordered to get on the ground and instead you decide to just stand there, that would be considered "resisting" by most department's standards. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I don't know if it will turn out he was armed or not, but if he was, how stupid do you have to be to resist arrest while armed? That doesn't mean there shouldn't be a full investigation into the action of the police and the department rules. And maybe even some changes if we can figure out how to do this better. No amount of procedural care can stop insanely stupid from also being really dangerous. | ||
| Court |
There are days I have to escape by watching the old Volvo truck ads . . . . https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKFJ3tQvdoj THq0Zw0PUYtDTjGqi93bPe | ||
| Mtnmason |
Here's a vid from a different angle: ***WARNING - GRAPHIC*** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdGXhSQvTKc After Sterling is shot, one of the officers appears to grab what may or may not have been a pistol from the right front pocket (it happens quickly and is hard to see). If he indeed was struggling to retrieve a weapon then I'd say the shooting was justified. UPDATE - Sorry, that's not the video I thought it was. I saw the unedited version on Instagram. Of course an alphabet news affiliate would edit out the part at the end where something is retrieved from the pocket. If you have IG it's easy to find - just search #blacklivesmatter (Message edited by mtnmason on July 06, 2016) | ||
| Bandm |
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-killed-by-lou isiana-police-said-to-be-gentle-led-hardscrabble-l ife/ar-BBu1iof?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp | ||
| Pwnzor |
Cops order you to do something. You do it. You don't get shot. Ever. This situation sucks. | ||
| Hootowl |
It doesn't suck, it's awesome! It can be made to fit the narrative! #blacklivesmatter | ||
| Court |
I just watched the 2nd video . . . . . . . we'll see what evolves as more facts surface. At the very least . . . it was a meeting of 3 very stupid people. (Message edited by court on July 06, 2016) | ||
| Mtnmason |
I really wish I was tech savvy enough to pull the vid from IG to post on here. It is very graphic and shows Sterling's last agonizing moments as he lies on his back grasping the air above him as blood pools on his chest, yet it does provide a much clearer picture as to what really happened. Here is what we know: 1. Police respond to a call of a man threatening someone with a gun. 2. Responding officers arrive on scene to confront a known felon. Said felon had previously confronted police with a gun (google it) 3. Suspect is given orders by police that he does not respond to. 4. Police wrest suspect to the ground at which point he (assumedly) makes a move for the weapon. 5. Police shoot known armed suspect who likely was trying to draw a weapon on them as he was prone to do. I'm not so sure we can call the officers stupid at this point. This is Michael Brown all over again. (Message edited by mtnmason on July 06, 2016) | ||
| Mtnmason |
Try this: https://www.instagram.com/p/BHip3-rjcD4/?tagged=bl acklivesmatter&hl=en I had forgotten that Instagram is not 'mobile only'. (Message edited by mtnmason on July 06, 2016) | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
I've been pulled over half a dozen times this year, mostly for speeding and sometimes a bit excessive. No tickets yet, all warnings. I was polite, and did what the officers asked without question. It took me about 20 years to figure out thats how you handle cops. In my early years I fought them, had guns drawn on me, felt battons more times then I care to. Got the shit kicked out of me while cuffed at a police station....i can go on and on. Complying with the cops is so much easier and better for your health. If the cops suspect you have a gun and you fight them...chances are you're gonna catch a bullet. | ||
| Rick_a |
The commentary is pretty stupid. BLM playing the victim again. | ||
| Macbuell |
Just in time for the election. Never let a good crisis go to waste. | ||
| Court |
This shit's getting out of control . . . this is Minnesota. http://nypost.com/2016/07/07/woman-live-streams-bl oody-aftermath-of-police-involved-shooting/ | ||
| Mtnmason |
Just read about the Minnesota incident. Apparently he tried to inform the officer that he was LEGALLY carrying concealed and was gunned down as a result. If that officer doesn't face Murder 2 or at least manslaughter then the town deserves to burn. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The time and place to argue about if a cop was within their rights and appropriate operating procedures is with their supervisor after a situation has been diffused. That's why I am for mandatory body cameras, that have to be filming for a cop to operate with the extra rights and authority that cops are granted. The cop can turn it off to go off duty, but they are then off duty, and have the same rights and privileges (including privacy) that any other citizen has. This is for their protection and my protection as well. The #BLM crowd is going to keep crying wolf, and when there really is some predatory racist cop somewhere, as I am sure there is, nobody is going to listen to anyone about it. | ||
| Aesquire |
If the law enforcement people aren't subject to the same laws as the citizens the contract is broken. I have no comment on the incidents above. I am suspect of ANY initial report and more suspect of the following CYA statements. Can't disagree that courtesy and promptly complying with the orders of a frightened armed man is far less likely to get you a funeral. Cops are outnumbered on the street. When bullets take fractions of a second to kill you, backup is minutes away. I point once again at "Of Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs". Police must be subject to the same laws as OTHER citizens or they have zero moral authority. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm Yes, I consider myself an old Sheepdog. Never had a full time job as such, but there have been times. Mostly quietly without fanfare, and usually more first aid than counter violence. Worth the read. | ||
| Court |
I was trying to think of some "weapon wouldn't work if the body cam wasn't on" scenario but . . . I've seen too many situation that go from mundane to frantic in the blink of an eye. I'd be fully in support of body cams, perhaps with 10 minute looping or something, that ran all the time a cop was clocked in and "on the job". I suspect, in many cases, that the data from the camera would serve to exonerate the cop. Frankly, in this week . . where the off duty cop shot and killed the guy punching him, the Baton Rouge and the Minnesota incidents, the cops are looking a little weak at this point . . . I'd be open to hearing/seeing evidence but the current videos floating about sure make these look a lot like murder 2. It's a whole new world out there . . . A good friend, a former "Horse Solder" (who served with Chris Kyle for a number of years) told me yesterday . . . if you are in NY state . . don't even THINK about carrying without a permit. I can't imagine, in NYC or most places in the state, having to tell a cop "I am carrying a weapon" at a traffic stop. Things change quickly. Regardless of where you come down on gun rights . . some of this is going to have to change. | ||
| Reepicheep |
And turning off the body cam isn't an admission of guilt, cops can get attacked off duty also, and have a right to defend themselves. It just means the case is viewed as citizen self defense. To operate with the authority of a law enforcement officer, you have to be recording the incident. There are problems to be worked through relative to equipment failures, retention policies, open records request balance vs right of the cop to not be arbitrarily stalked. But these are solvable. I have a CCW license in Ohio. I'm not even sure I would try and transport an unloaded weapon through NJ or NY. I just avoid the states when possible, which is a shame as I really like NY. |
