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     Sifo |
It's still entirely possible that Hillary will have her focus pulled away from the election if she has to defend herself in a trial brought by an FBI indictment. I know many will say it will NEVER happen, but it is a real possibility. The one thing that I have seen as a constant in this election is that most people have managed to underestimate Trump. I'll put myself in that camp. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I don't think I underestimated Trump. I think I overestimated the American public. | ||
| Tootal |
As I have stated, I was never a Trump fan however this was sent to me which gives be a little hope. Seems legit. https://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/ 100907393-black-female-employee-drops-bombshell-ab out-trump | ||
| Crusty |
John, can you post a link to those polls please? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/pol itics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39 Considering that six months ago, all the polls were showing he didn't have a prayer against the other Republican contenders, never mind Hillary; I'd say it's a sign of things to come. Or at least one hell of a circus leading up to the election. One thing's for certain; it will take more than "Voting Irregularities" to win, this time around. (not that there was any wrongdoing on anyone's part when Good Ol' Georgie won the only two Presidential elections in US history that had such technical difficulties) | ||
| Pwnzor |
Thanks John, I hadn't seen that poll yet. Of course, the dead are not reflected in the polling... only in the final vote count. | ||
| Tootal |
Of course, the dead are not reflected in the polling... only in the final vote count. Welcome to the Nazi state of Illinois!!  | ||
| Hootowl |
"But Trump edges slightly ahead if the stay-at-home option is removed." So...people who aren't going to vote push Trump over the top in the poll. That does not translate to votes on election day. FYI I would vote for a dead moose before I vote for Clinton. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Dead moose you say?  | ||
| Hootowl |
Dead dead, not brain dead. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Sorry that was the best I could come up with on short notice | ||
| Aesquire |
Pwnzor, It's not that I WANT to argue with you.... wait, that's not totally true either...  It's that we sensed you'd hit the "Plague on both their houses" point with slightly bad timing. You seem to be re-engaged at about the right level now, to me. ( furious, but more or less rational, and not going to throw rocks..... today ) So, should we start a pool for how nasty the Convention protest violence if going to be? I'm thinking worse than Democrat Convention 1968, but not as bad as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution but maybe??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Camp aign | ||
| Pwnzor |
Don't get me wrong, I love all you guys. I'm just getting a little tired of everybody trying to pressure me into voting for Trump. It's just not going to happen. Violence at the convention? Oh, you bet. It's going to be a real shitshow. | ||
| Zac4mac |
With the direction of this thread, y'all really need to check out Steve Slaughter's post of the "clever vid" You WILL thank him for it. I nearly shit myself. Z | ||
| Aesquire |
No pressure to vote for Trump from me. Just reaction to the "that's it! Won't get fooled again! A plague. ...." Not arguing a bit against your perceived cause or effect..... just the timing. Or to put it another way..... you & me now want to pick the optimum vote to screw the worst folk most. Sure, for me it's pretty much an "Animal House" futile & useless gesture. The odds on New York going Trump as of today.....real remote. I'm all for the Electoral college system even though it screws me. Your state though? Could make a difference. All I ask is you not close options off in your head. Play coy and by all means argue your points. We're pretty much in line on our disgust of the Establishment. Besides. Consider the high probability that things will change drastically before November. Contested convention, felony indictment, plane crash, mob violence, suicide bomber, Coup, alien attack, comet strike............ things could turn out fine.  | ||
| Blake |
I'm with you Matt. I can't vote for a person like Donald Trump. No way I'd vote for Hillary or any Democrat either. I'm thoroughly disgusted and disappointed. Low information unprincipled voters rule the day. | ||
| Reindog |
Then you choose Hillary. Funny how you reject Trump who represents the best chance for restoring America's economy. Weird, actually. Fire away. | ||
| Blake |
Tom R, At this point, I choose neither the thin-skinned, greedy, narcissistic, moral monster nor the lying, incompetent, greedy, megalomaniacal Alinskyite hoplophobe. I remain open to being convinced otherwise. It's remotely possible that the Great Comb-Over might rise to the occasion. Regardless, he doesn't stand a chance unless Shrillary is rightly charged and convicted of violations of national security. The Obama DOJ is so far not letting that happen. If it does, then Bernie steps in. Either way the media is going to eviscerate Trump. The major moral and character issues available with which to attack him are salient and numerous. I have no idea which would be worse. I could never vote for anyone who proclaims that he's never done anything requiring forgiveness. That is the psychology of a psychopath, and Trump's many crude hateful comments only reinforce the likelihood of such a dangerous psychological impediment. He's a moral monster. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Sifo |
There is one possibility where I won't vote for Trump. If there is a Libertarian option on the ballot, this might be the opportunity to get enough votes to get them funding for future elections. I don't think I can commit any direction at this point. More than ever, this election looks like picking who you dislike the least. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The only wrinkle I would add to the topic, and please don't mistake me as a Trump enthusiast, is to remember that Trump is doing a great job of manipulating the media. And he probably should. I'm really sick of the "do you still beat your wife" questions that pass for reporting these days. I actually don't expect Trump to always answer questions truthfully when asked by the media, because I guarantee the media won't represent the answers truthfully. It's the difference between a formal chess game and the TV show "survivor". In the chess game, the rules are you follow the rules. In survivor, the rules are there are no rules. So at some level, it's nice to see a Republican candidate playing on a level playing field with the Democrats, and just making &*&^ up in order to tell the story they want to tell. I mourn that the reality of US politics has sunk to this level, but I think it's worse if only one of two sides plays by the rules of the game. (And don't get me wrong, I think the R's are just as lying and full of crap as the D's are, the difference is a media that will hold the R's feet to the fire, while giving D's a pass because "they are trying to do the right thing" in the eyes of the reporters.) | ||
| Blake |
Bill, So Trump is doing a great job manipulating the media. So did Hitler.  They far preferred Trump over a principled conservative like Cruz. | ||
| Crusty |
Did you know that Henry Ford was a big supporter of Hitler? Also, according to Bette Midler, Hitler had an uncontrollable farting problem. Does the Donald fart a lot? | ||
| Reepicheep |
I know you like Cruz, but I didn't have to watch any further then a 1 minute video clip where Cruz (kind of annoyingly but effectively) explained to an upset farmer why farm subsidies do as much damage as good. That was fine, and I was willing to ignore delivery to look for some substance. But then he immediately and unsolicitedly started pandering to him on why gay marriage is bad. It ticked me off for several reasons. 1) He transparently, cynically, and automatically assumed that a farmer from Iowa is also anti gay 2) There was no reason to bring it up other than to try and pander and manipulate 3) It wasn't a thoughtful discussion of how to balance the rights of gays with the rights of other people to exercise other faiths and heartfelt beliefs, and the impossible role of government in the middle of that, it was just anti gay (as I heard it). 4) Listening to him all smarmy and plastic smiley just made my skin crawl (and I say that as an untamed intercessory prayer guy with really good intuition). He is entrenched in the worst kinds of intolerance and self righteousness that has ruined the Christian Church in America. I saw no love. He lost me then, even though I was watching the video because I wanted to like him. And besides, its just stupid to say that because Hitler was a good orator, any good orator is a Hitler. Neither is close to Hitler. Though don't forget Hitler was happy to put on the trappings of Christendom and seize the power of a strong government to achieve a political end of marginalizing and excluding a group of people who weren't Christians and whom he ideologically hated. But the comparison is silly, I don't think any candidate is looking to put anyone in concentration camps because of their beliefs. | ||
| Pwnzor |
gay marriage is bad Gay marriage is bad. Period. balance the rights of gays Gays have the same rights as everybody else. the Christian Church is corrupt, like every other major religion. Cruz has defended our rights successfully in the supreme court. No other candidate can say that. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Not the thread for this, but there are two elements to marriage. A religious one, and a governmental legal construct. I'm not interested in a candidate that can't separate the two (neither a liberal that feels the need to tell the Church what they can and can't believe, nor a conservative Christian that wants their beliefs to be enforced at the point of a government gun). | ||
| Pwnzor |
Government has no place in marriage. My opinion is that gay marriage is bad. I don't believe for a second that I have the right to tell anybody else what they can or cannot do as long as it does not infringe on my own rights. There. Clarified. | ||
| Reindog |
* Those who voted for Perot in 1992 gave us Bill Clinton. * The Evangelicals who stayed home in 2012 gave us the second term of Obama. * Those who choose to stay home in 2016 will certainly give us Hillary Clinton. Sorry is some of you can not handle the truth. Please read the following and think of what you are doing.  | ||
| Aesquire |
I otoh think gay marriage is great. Promotes stability and is a good move towards responsible lifestyle choices. What your religious feelings are are your own and maybe the church corporation you belong to. I certainly won't argue that unless you are of the murder gay folk crowd. A lot of those around in the slave cultures. Additionally gay marriage may eventually end government interference in our choices. Government marriage licenses were created to support racism and post slavery suppression of the Other Races. About f#$/&* time that went away. You certainly can make the case that the current tactics promoting lgbtxyz... causes are akin to Cloward-Piven, or cultural destruction of western civilization, but if handled properly freedom can increase. We just have to be morally smarter. Not that hard when the other side's morality is based on lies. | ||
| Aesquire |
Reindog, nicely put. With Hillary you know she will send armed men to your home to steal your property and murder you if you resist. She promises that. Makes a clear choice for me. And the people who watch msnbc etc. have had decades of propaganda pounded home and will support the masked thugs setting fire to your house with tear gas and breaching charges. They will be told that you are a gun nut and a danger to the community. And believe it. While the armored vehicle suppresses any danger to your neighbors by hosing your home with .30 cal machine gun fire. Can't take chances with such antisocial types. Wish I was paranoid. | ||
| S2t_bama |
Actually, Ross Perot was leading in that race until he went bat crazy and dropped out. Then he jumped back in. You might say that Bush split the Perot vote, giving us Clinton. Anyway, I won't vote for a candidate that I believe is evil, incompetent to lead the world's biggest economy and military, or both. Neither one. Why not vote for the lesser of 2 evils? I don't consider one lesser than the other, just different, that's why. I will vote, though. BTW, up until now I have voted for the Republican presidential candidate every single time since I turned 18. That includes Bob Dole, Mitt Romney, and John McCain. |
