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     Reindog |
Black Teens In St. Louis Murder Unarmed Bosnian Man In Brutal Hammer Attack by Debra Heine 30 Nov 2014 A 32 year-old unarmed Bosnian man was beaten to death with hammers by at least three black teenagers in South St. Louis early Sunday morning. Two teens, 15 and 16, were arrested. The victim was identified as Zemir Begic, 32, of the 4200 block of Miami Street. He had injuries to his head, abdomen, face and mouth. He was taken to St. Louis University Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead. Police said Begic was in his vehicle in the 4200 block of Itaska about 1:15 a.m. when several juveniles approached on foot and began damaging it. Begic got out and the juveniles began yelling at him and striking him with hammers. Two male juveniles, 16 and 15, were taken into custody. Police are still searching for a 16-year-old black male and a 15-year-old Hispanic. Dozens of people from the Bosnian community spilled out into the street, Sunday evening, to protest the violence. “We’re just angry because we’re trying to protect our community,” said Mirza Nukic, 29, of St. Louis. “We’re just trying to be peaceful.” Nukic was among at least 50 people, mostly, if not all Bosnians, who briefly blocked Gravois Avenue at Itaska Street on Sunday night to protest the killing. The intersection was near where Zemir Begic, a Bosnian man who moved to St. Louis this year, was attacked by at least three teens with hammers early Sunday. The motive for the hammer attack has not been released, but it would not be a stretch to link the violence to Ferguson. In the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting, there were scores of "justice for Trayvon" retaliatory attacks on whites throughout the nation. Some of them, like the attack in St. Louis Sunday morning, involved hammers. Breitbart's Warner Todd Huston picked up on a US News story, Sunday, that featured a Ferguson "protester" calling for blood. "Some people are going to have to die for the cause," Jay Daniels, 27, of Charlotte said. "It's sad to say, but this is the new civil rights movement for our generation, and there will be casualties and there should be bloodshed." This "new civil rights movement" was built on top of the Ferguson Grand Jury's decision not to indict an innocent white police officer who used deadly force to defend himself against an violent black teenager who had just attacked him, tried to wrestle his gun from him, and robbed a convenience store. That's the "cause" that may cost more innocent lives. http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/11/30/Blac k-Teens-In-St-Louis-Murder-Unarmed-Bosnian-Man-In- Brutal-Hammer-Attack | ||
| Hootowl |
Too bad it wasn't a hammer free zone. Guy would still be alive.  | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"17 arrests. None from Ferguson. Imported rioters." where are you getting your information? I've seen much higher numbers with the locals being responsible for most of the arrests ex (because having something to back up your claims makes it better) http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_2700903 5/ferguson-protests-14-injured-61-arrests-business es-torched http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/of-61-people-arreste d-overnight-in-ferguson-unrest-59-were-st-louis-lo cals/ etc | ||
| Aesquire |
Radio. Sunday night arrests. Take it with salt. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
probably shouldnt post it unless you have proof. | ||
| Reindog |
Louis Farrakhan justifies racial violence: ‘Let’s die for something’ By Jessica Chasmar - The Washington Times - Sunday, November 30, 2014 The Rev. Louis Farrakhan gave a racially charged sermon on Saturday, arguing that a “law for retaliation” exists in Islam that justifies violence in the wake of grand jury decisions in the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases. Speaking at Morgan State University, a black college in Baltimore, Mr. Farrakhan argued that peaceful protests are only in the interest of “white folks,” The Daily Caller reported. “Watch now, because once it starts, it’s on. You may not want to fight, but you better get ready. Teach your baby how to throw the bottle if they can,” he said, apparently referencing a Molotov cocktail. “We going to die anyway. Let’s die for something.” The Nation of Islam leader held up what appeared to be the organization’s version of the Koran and purported that violence is justified by the “law of retaliation” in the religious text. “In this book, there’s a law for retaliation,” he said. “As long as they [whites] kill us [blacks] and go to Wendy’s and have a burger and go to sleep, they gonna keep killing us,” he said, to a roar of applause. “But when we die and they die, then soon we’re going to sit at a table and talk about it! We’re tired! We want some of this earth or we’ll tear this [expletive] country up!” Mr. Farrakhan criticized President Obama and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. for being out of touch with young blacks by encouraging peace. He argued that young blacks, or “God’s children,” aren’t willing to go down without a fight. “And you preachers: Your day of being the pacifier for the white man’s tyranny upon black people, you got to know they’re [young blacks] not going to hear you anymore!” he shouted, The Daily Caller reported. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/30/lo uis-farrakhan-justifies-racial-violence-lets-die/ | ||
| Aesquire |
Proof??????? Ok I should have specified it was on the radio on the way to work and the talk jock didn't list his source or I missed it. I do try to separate the talk jock crud from "legit" news...... But. Since CNN or the other alphabet news agencies often lie either by omission or outright...... and Ferguson is a perfect example of that. ............ what IS proof? | ||
| Aesquire |
Talk jock this a.m. asks a question. ( leading, of course) The Feds/administration issued a warning of violence before the grand jury release. He asks...is this because of racist stereotypes that this regime has that black people are violent and immature? Or. Is that sober judgment based on experience? He most probably wanted to point out that the White House and the loyal minions are racist. He has a point since most are rich white leftists, ( with a few tokens ) and leftists are usually racist, although they usually cloak their racism in terms of helping the less capable. ( can't really expect much from the lower classes they say among themselves..... ) Opinion? I'm inclined to think it a more horrible combination. After a century of deliberate racism with emphasis on making sure urban schools in predominantly minority 'hoods are bad and deliberately not teaching civics and history, perhaps the minions of this regime expect "blacks" to be violent savages both because they are racist AND because they have worked hard to make their racist stereotypes accepted popular opinion. After all, it was Just Joe Biden who marveled at a black guy who spoke white. Who was the talking head who was creaming his pants over Obama's creases? Some seriously messed up people in the "news" business. | ||
| Reindog |
The folks who are rioting and looting and those who celebrate folks who are rioting and looting will get exactly what they wish for if they are not careful. A lawless pResident pushes us an inch at a time towards a monarchy or dictatorship. Logic, reason, and facts are important. Think, people.  | ||
| Reindog |
Well meaning but in the end, Useful Idiots. Can ONE person here on Badweb step forward and provide a scintilla of evidence that the criminal Michael Brown, approached Officer Wilson with his hands up and saying "Don't shoot"? Anyone? I thought not. Go back to your illogical emotion and condemn yourself to a life of ignorance and poverty. Useful Idiots.  | ||
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| Fb1 |
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| Aesquire |
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/nobel-pri ze-for-sale-bell-curves-and-measurements-and-the-r obots-are-coming/ Several days worth of discussion on this sit about the riots and the causes... worth a look. Don't agree with it all, but there's a lot of angles to consider. | ||
| Reindog |
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| Wolfridgerider |
Watch NYC blow up tonight. NYC grand jury returns no indictment against cop who used fatal choke-hold on Eric Garner | ||
| Court |
>>>Watch NYC blow up tonight. Won't happen . . . we are busy tonight. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I hope you are right. But, it could be a seen as a great party to crash with a good old fashion game of rock/brick/Molotov cocktail toss. | ||
| Doz |
I side with the cops on the Ferguson deal but Eric Garner was just selling single cigarettes (according to the media) and was clearly no threat (as proved by video). Cop(s) was wrong in that case | ||
| Hootowl |
Guy didn't deserve to die, true, but the cop wasn't trying to kill him either. Pretty sure this is the conclusion the grand jury reached. I think he'll lose a civil wrongful death suit though. | ||
| Court |
>>>But, it could be a seen as a great party to crash with a good old fashion game of rock/brick/Molotov cocktail toss. They try that shit in NYC and they're in for the surprise of their life. Look . . the cops just killed a guy for selling untaxed cigarettes . . you think they're gonna take any crap? If you could have seen the number of NYPD cars and cops out last night you'd have been amazed. A couple cars on every corner and we've returned to "beat" cops standing on corners. I've got a theatre xmas event at 8:00 . . . we'll see what's going on. | ||
| Doz |
Hoot, I do believe the cop wasn't out to kill Mr. Garner. But did all those cops have to stand around while he lay there TELLING them he couldn't breath? They watched him die and did nothing. Multiple counts of negligence. And Deblasio's speech was another self serving blast of crap. And just to be clear, I think Sharpton is an ass---- too. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
That video was enough to indite and have a trial. The system failed there. | ||
| Greatlaker |
Reindog mentioned that Michael Brown was a criminal. I wasn't aware that he had been convicted of anything. Can anybody here or Reindog please elaborate? | ||
| D_adams |
Plain and clear evidence of strong armed robbery 10 minutes prior to the shooting shows that he was a criminal by way of the store surveillance video. Pretty sure he'd had brushes with LE prior to that as well. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hard to convict a dead guy.. It's been done, but usually by vindictive and silly people. Video evidence caught the Adult Mr. Brown doing mildly violent petty theft the day he died. ( by mildly, no one was killed or hospitalized that I know of. I assume a box of cigarellos is petty theft. ) Certainly nothing to be shot over. I'm not happy with the idea of shooting people who walk down the middle of the road causing a hazard, either. You are correct that calling Mr. Brown a thug, criminal, or typical monster raised in a broken home by abusive adults is unfair. All or none of the above may be true, but you sure aren't going to have a CNN reporter tell you that, since he's too busy finding the right Anarcho-Communist lackey to give him his sound bite to do actual reporting. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
he wasn't convicted of this robbery yet... It was just a matter of time. But he knew he just committed this robbery... and the rest is history | ||
| Greatlaker |
So the characterization of Michael Brown as criminal is subjectively erroneous then. Hypothetical hyperbole. Got it. | ||
| D_adams |
Do what? You lost me there. He was a criminal, plain and simple. Brazenly walking out with stolen merchandise, shoving the store owner out of his way, do you REALLY think that's the first time he did something stupid like that? | ||
| Hootowl |
Doz. Yep. This one stinks. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hypothetical hyperbole? possibly legally phrased wrong. "Alleged Criminal" would be accurate, and is often used by "News" shows because it covers their butts. You can call anyone "alleged" with relative impunity. You can abuse that, however. If I called you an alleged human with alleged filthy habits, that would probably be actionable. Check with a lawyer on the legal aspects. I'd say that calling Mr. Brown a criminal is accurate, not false to fact, but impolite. It's not like there is any doubt Mr. Brown, at least once, committed a criminal act. It's on video. I have no clue what his record is, and don't really care. After the fact you can "blame" all sorts of things, upbringing, attitude, panic reactions, phase of the moon, and yes, any or all of those things may have been contributing factors to the actions that led to Mr. Brown's death. The actions in the handful of seconds where Mr. Brown dies were considered by a jury using witnesses and physical evidence. From leaked information taken in total since the man died, the jury seems to be correct. It's still a tragedy, for the families of the living, and for the community. Much of the damage done to the community was the result of racist outsiders trying to get power from hate. People that get power from hate are evil, it's nearly the definition. I'm quite unhappy with the NY Times, who published the ex-policeman's address. If you were responsible for the death of a person and the legal system and a jury of your peers decided you did not kill them wrongfully*, but some group was angry ( understandable ) and put out a reward for your murder, ( not acceptable ) having the newspaper publish your address is freaking wrong. *( accident or self defense or defense of others are the mitigating circumstances that makes killing some other human not a wrongful act. Still sucks, but it's not criminal ) |
