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     Ferris_von_bueller |
Six Reasons to Panic "Have you ever wondered why Ebola protocols call for washing down infected surfaces with chlorine? Because the virus can survive for up to three weeks on a dry surface." I think we are about 3-6 months out from knowing whether or not we are going to get it up the arse. http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/six-reasons-panic_816387.html Blake edited hyperlink to direct to page 1, was page 2. (Message edited by Blake on October 17, 2014) | ||
| Ratbuell |
I think the above comment about transmission rate means each carrier spreads it to 1.3 new hosts. Duncan was an overachiever, he hit 2.0. | ||
| Macbuell |
That weekly standard article is, uhhh, terrifying. I will NOT let my wife read that link. | ||
| Arcticktm |
Is closing all borders/air travel completely really feasible? And I don't even mean the logistics and size of it. Think of how that would crush the economy and most of us and our jobs with it. You MIGHT end up safe from a chance at getting a deadly virus, but you would also be likely to end up living in a true poverty state where this virus is the least of your concerns. There's lots of room for improvement with all of the mistakes made so far with this, and taking it too lightly/voluntary. But closing the entire country down just doesn't sound rational to me. I would be directly out of a job very quickly, with many others to follow in a chain reaction in the following weeks/months. There's no such thing as a self sufficient country/economy anymore. Unless you count N. Korea as a success story. A crisis like this tends to make some of the same folks that are (understandably) against more government control to suddenly ask why the government isn't taking more control of the situation. Tricky stuff, finding that proper balance. | ||
| Oldog |
But closing the entire country down just doesn't sound rational to me. I would be directly out of a job very quickly, with many others to follow in a chain reaction in the following weeks/months. There's no such thing as a self sufficient country/economy anymore. all that I can find says close the country for travelers out of west African epidemic areas,where did the close all borders come from? so far cdc / government has not done a good job. Prayers for the nurses that took care of the late Mr Duncan... } | ||
| Blake |
>>> Is closing all borders/air travel completely really feasible? Like Jim already stated, no one is calling for that. Sane responsible people are calling for a shut down of free access travel from Ebola hot zones into America. | ||
| Hootowl |
Unless you were just itching to use your new armed health corpse (the pse is silent) but it hasn't gotten bad enough to make your move yet. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
People at the Texas hospital need to be fired. How stupid do you have to be to send DUncan home from the ER after he arrived from West Africa 5 days prior? Wouldn't Ebola be the first thing you would think of? And to leave him for hours in the ER waiting room? Probably cost the guy his life. | ||
| Oldog |
People at the Texas hospital need to be fired. How stupid do you have to be to send DUncan home from the ER after he arrived from West Africa 5 days prior? Wouldn't Ebola be the first thing you would think of? And to leave him for hours in the ER waiting room? Probably cost the guy his life. It may cost 2 nurses theirs, there was an IT issue (soft ware not working supprise-supprise) so the appropriate parties did not find out until later, The people who should be fired are in government and refuse to close the boarders to westafrica and mexico, this is going to get a little rough before it gets better. } | ||
| Aesquire |
Cutting off travel from West Africa would cost us thousands of dollars. Cutting of travel from Texas would cost billions. Closing all State borders would shut the economy down for months. If we had done the first one we wouldn't have the three so far infected here. If we do the first we may not have to do the second. If we do not.....and we will not for political reasons. .....the third may be needed. If we NEED to do the third, and do not, expect the collapse of the economy to be the least of your problems, because you will not be able to buy needed items like food or fuel. So far the only place I've seen the third scenario is a Tom Clancy novel. How did you jump from rational but hard choices to a Clancy novel? | ||
| Aesquire |
Barry just announced he has chosen Joe Biden's former staffer to be the Ebola Czar. Former Gore minion. Expect the third scenario? | ||
| Oldog |
Barry just announced he has chosen Joe Biden's former staffer to be the Ebola Czar. Former Gore minion. Expect the third scenario? No more like the keystone cops.... } | ||
| Macbuell |
LOL at appointing a lawyer and politician to head this up. (Message edited by macbuell on October 17, 2014) | ||
| Pellis |
Barry just announced he has chosen Joe Biden's former staffer to be the Ebola Czar. Follow the money, someone's going to make a fortune on this crisis. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
In my continuing efforts to spurn conversation.... Dallas Hospital Had the Ebola Screening Machine That the Military Is Using in Africa The FilmArray retails for about $39,000 per unit and can screen for the genetic markers of a wide number of respiratory, gastro-intestinal and other illness, including Ebola, but only with the right “kit” in place. Current FDA guidelines would not have allowed Dallas Presbyterian Hospital to get that kit. That’s despite the fact that it can provide results with higher than 90 percent certainty and it’s one of the machines that the military is currently using to screen for Ebola in Africa. http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/10/dallas-h ospital-had-ebola-screening-machine-military-using -africa/96713/?oref=d-river} | ||
| Aesquire |
Arcticktm, I am curious where you got the notion of closing all borders to fight the plague. Did it come from a misheard comment? Some bozo on the radio? Is someone lying to you for political reasons? If the last..... rethink everything they ever told you since they deserve contempt. That said. Tom Clancy did have the President declare martial law and shut all national and state borders to combat a fictional biowarfare attack using Ebola. That was a novel. It's also a rational response to the situation in the novel where there were multiple patient zeroes since the attack hit multiple sites. Trade shows. ...car shows & the like. It's not what I'd want to happen. I'm pretty libertarian and would resent that exercise of power, but it might be the right choice if we did have runaway epidemic . Everyone not in vital industry stay home and ride it out. The way to stop a virus is to starve it. It eats people. Don't let it get new food and it dies out. No matter if it's plague or storm or coronal mass ejection, you want enough food and water to sit home with your family with probably no power grid until services can be restored. Weeks to a month minimum. In the case of EMP damage to the power grid, refrigeration will fail and it could take more than 3 months for power to come back. First they have to restore power to the factories that make transformers and switching gear. Your house is close to the end of the list. That's the current natural disaster worry. .......short of asteroid strike or Supervolcano. ( both have a statistical probability of one. Time frame however is unknown ) | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Don't worry I'm sure President Obola has a plan for an EMP attack | ||
| Sifo |
Cutting off travel from West Africa would cost us thousands of dollars. Cutting of travel from Texas would cost billions. Closing all State borders would shut the economy down for months. or... Having other countries close their borders to the US. | ||
| Aesquire |
Some European doctors are already discussing that. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Finally, something the government does well - arrest people http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/man-arrested-f or-ebola-joke-576432 | ||
| Aesquire |
Ebola quarantine Jerry, Anyone willing to put down odds on an Ebola quarantine being put into effect just in time for the first deployed US military Ebola case to become the political football "proving" that we need to have an open door policy to let in Ebola patients? I ask because the lack of training and cavalier attitude the govt and CDC has towards Ebola pretty much guarantees multiple Ebola infections among our troops deployed to the Ebola zones. Newt Gingrich pointed out on Hannity something that I think is in one of the articles you linked – Of the 25 Ebola specialists who authored a thoroughly comprehensive medical paper about Ebola, 5 of them are already dead from Ebola. Think about that. In a group of 25 doctors who may be regarded as the most knowledgeable experts in the world on Ebola, who can be expected to have 100% adherence to ALL protocols and safeguards, 20% still contracted and died of Ebola. Only an idiot would say we shouldn’t be terrified by this, even if our govt was doing everything right. It is the height of arrogance and ignorance for ANYONE to say "we got this", expecting that the magic of American medicine is an effective and reliable countermeasure against Ebola. The question remains, why would our govt, in the face of global astonishment at how childishly ignorant and dangerous our Ebola response is, continue down this path of suicide. One cruise ship has already been denied port rights due to a single American on board, because Belize things we’re a bunch of suicidal idiots and they don’t want to have anything to do with anyone from the US who has had anything to do with Ebola, symptoms or not. Belize is utterly correct – we’re dangerously incompetent and any government who cares about its people probably ought to implement a 100% ban on travel from the US because we’re the only country on the planet who thinks its ok to transport Ebola patients around the globe as if its nothing worse than the common flu. Plus, the update from the world health organization… 70% fatal, 42 day incubation. That’s horrible, but why is that more scary than 50% fatal and 21 day incubation given that you can travel around the world 5-6 times and interact with thousands of people in dozens of countries in 21 days, let alone 42? The world has every right to be terrified of American travelers at this point. Serving Officer http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/a-new-ebo la-czar-military-deploys-to-plague-zone-competence -in-government/ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/17/u -s-soldiers-get-just-four-hours-of-ebola-training. html I'm getting a bad case of the F--- You!'s at this point in the Obama Regime's history. To paraphrase a talk show guy..."If they tell you to gather here, go elsewhere, if they tell you to go downhill, go uphill...." | ||
| Court |
Little disconcerting to be on the "front line" http://nypost.com/2014/10/17/nyc-at-the-center-of- cdcs-ebola-war/ | ||
| Ratbuell |
Hold your breath. Or...come to Maryland, with 4 acres and good sightlines...lol | ||
| Aesquire |
Too close to where the D.C. folk will run and loot the country houses if the plague breaks free there. Just saw my first ( and probably last ) episode of "The Walking Dead". good special effects, good makeup, good acting, too close to real for my tastes... except the zombies, those don't exist. | ||
| Ratbuell |
4 acres here. 500' driveway. Clear sightlines all the way to the mailbox. Stone home, 28" thick walls. 1500' elevation. Constant air movement, west-to-east. Clear views of PA valleys. Nobody nearby with less than 2 acres. DC and Detrick? Downwind. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Software be damned. How about getting off their asses and walking down to the appropriate parties' office. I mean its only Ebola. As far as closing off borders, that's craziness as well as not feasible. Banning flights to West Africa is logical. Why in the hell is Obama opposed to it? That guy is a real piece of @##@. | ||
| Aesquire |
Because uncontrolled unlimited numbers of undocumented voters is the purpose of every action Obama has taken on the border......except for the guns for drug gang program which is meant to eliminate the Constitution. Incompetence or malice or psychopathic may be impossible to tell with this regime. If they tell you to gather here...go elsewhere. If they tell you to go downhill, go uphill. If they tell you they have it under control...... avoid public transportation. | ||
| Fahren |
Did anyone see the article written by Duncan's nephew, a former serviceman? http://tinyurl.com/oekqld4 | ||
| Sifo |
So a patient walks into a hospital with "Ebola symptoms". The SAME hospital that has had three Ebola patients in the past couple of weeks! This patient is simply allowed to leave because they want to?  Texas Hospital Releases ‘Low-Risk’ Patient ‘Reporting Ebola Symptoms’ Because Person ‘Wanted to Leave the Hospital’ | ||
| Aesquire |
The medical term is "Zebra". A guy comes in with symptoms. Could be flu, could be food poisoning, could be a long list of things, or it could be a deadly rare disease no one at the hospital has ever seen, found only in far off exotic lands or medical books, or thriller novels. The young, fresh and eager med students look at what is probably a horse, and see a zebra! They get all excited about discovering a dread disease, and 99.99% of the time, they are wrong, it's just the flu. Except this time it was a Zebra. The hospital blamed the software, since it didn't have a spot on the form to warn that the patient was from an exotic distant land. So they said the Doctor, glancing at one of dozens of forms he has to review in too little time, didn't see the warning signs...since they would never be there on the Computer form. Would he have noticed an actual note from the nurse or PA if they still used paper? Maybe, maybe not. The hospital is overworked, and has no choice but to use the computer, since they have too few people taking care of too many... but that's not the real reason. They use the computer because they won't ever get paid unless it's a code in a computer. There's a literal army of people writing new code numbers up to define a disease or a treatment or a drug. There may not BE a code for Ebola, since the insurance companies, real or Medi-care, have never had to pay for Ebola treatment. Those folk who treat those cases are outside the normal medical establishment, part of the CDC or Johns Hopkins research teams. The experimental drugs used on thousand of people with cancer the dozen with 1 in 300,000,000 genetic disorders, and, yes, the handful with Ebola fall under the hard to use codes you need approval from multiple sources for there to be any treatment. Mr. Duncan didn't get to the unusual category, until it was too late. There's a reason for that too. If you want new cures, if you want your nieces rare cancer treated, the research guys can't be in the ER. That's where you blood the new guys, work them 50 hours straight, and 100 hours a week, until they learn enough to move into regular medicine. The new guys and the nurses, THEY see the zebras less than once a lifetime. They see everything else. So, yes, the system failed. It often will, when something new hits it. The blame placed on "the software" really belongs on the administrators and the government, and the insurance companies that anticipated the normal, and never the odd. The only question left is how many will the bureaucracy kill before this is over. The CDC has a lot of smart, dedicated people doing good work. They also have more than enough bureaucrats dedicated to creating and keeping little Empires. I have no idea if the guys who spent your tax dollars on forcing doctors to ask if there is a gun in the house, or running studies on fat lesbians, have spent all the money they should have used to keep the next plague from killing the entire human species. I have some doubts. |
