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     Gaesati |
To reprise my comment so that it is more clear: 1. I think gun related crime is not significantly different in the U.S to any similarly developed nation. 2. There are significantly more instances per capita of self harm with guns than in other countries. 3. There are more accidents per capita with guns than in other countries. 4. The constitution guarantees your right to bear weapons. That is a matter that is not appropriate for me to comment on. 5. I have already published the references to research on other threads on the quick board. 6. I feel just as safe walking in an American street as I do in England or Australia. I am not attacking the right to bear arms. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Whether you agree or not, can you at least understand why Pro Gun people get pissy when gun control is brought up every other week? That's up to them, but I haven't spoken in a gun topic for a very long time, yet when I do there is the mother of all assumptions cast upon me for doing little more than opening my mouth. Frankly I couldn't give a f**k if American's have the rights to own and carry guns or not. I'm just glad we don't have the same rights here in the UK. I'm sure if they did I'd have shot a few f**kers by now. Why the hell would anyone want to burden society by allowing its citizens to be trusted at all times with guns? Everyone has a bad day - and sometimes that bad day becomes someone else's problem when a gun is involved possibly. And no I am not blind to the supporters of gun ownership. I can see why they would be so pissed off with anti gun campaigners. But then what is the answer. I believe I know it and have done for years. Stop killing each other! Rocket in England | ||
| Torquehd |
Because every f**ker else has got them - including the nasty people. Yep... much better than a place where only the nasty people have them. You guys don't understand this... "Woman and men are equal" literally means, "women = men". That is a transgender statement. Qualitative differences mean, "not equal to". The world has jumped on this bandwagon of "women = men". Men are supposed to stay home and cook while women go out and fight wars. That's not how God designed our bodies or minds or plumbing. Yes, women can do a lot of the same things as men, but scientific facts support the statement that women and men are not equal to eachother. They complement eachother. Anyway, the point of the argument is that statistics confirm that men overpower women and rape and/or murder them. More often than men overpower and rape other men. And a woman who is carrying a gun has a tactical advantage over a man who does not have a ranged weapon. | ||
| D_adams |
Couldn't pass up reposting these pics.   | ||
| Aesquire |
Darn now I'm hungry! Take away the toast and the top pic is the Atkins diet. I was camping a few years back with 3 people on that diet and breakfast WAS that pic........with daggers instead of the pistol. Lunch was steaks. Dinner was steaks. We were in a no guns allowed camp. OTOH every person had edged weapons. A good five thousand men who's fondest dream was to rescue a damsel in distress. Possibly the safest place on Earth for a woman to walk around without fear. Unfortunately that was a self selected group of people that was a small section of the bell curve. And we still had an unarmed security force that was there to keep the peace ( easy as could be ) and help the handicapped move about on difficult terrain. Medical staff had it harder since some even fairly bright folk want to walk around bare foot and step on tent stakes and such. We always joke about the patrols in the early hours. I usually work with the wife of a good friend.... "did you see that? "...."yeah.....think we should talk to them?"......"no.....she's on top, looks friendly to me"..."ok, nothing to see here...move along" laughter fades into night. Downtown Rochester isn't a self selected group of people having fun on vacation. The percentage of bad violent people is tiny. Studies show repeat offenders are responsible for most violence which speaks to the justice system. A recent case where a rapist got out of jail and raped a girl that day comes to mind. I'm opposed to capital punishment but there are cases where a person is so broken that we simply can't ever let them in our midst to hurt people. I don't have the answer to that. Rocket I will quit predicting your words. You are right it is unfair. I'll let you speak for yourself. | ||
| Aesquire |
Btw the next week the same campground hosted a few thousand heavily armed Revolutionary War reenactors. They had guns. ( WE did not because it was not in period ) Zero rapes. Several foot injuries. | ||
| Blake |
>>> The US gun murder rate is something like 10 out of 100,000 per year. I think this is confusing gun related deaths including suicides, self defense, accidents, and justifiable homicide, with murder. If recollection serves, the gun murder rate is nearer 1 per hundred thousand. Take away the inner city gangster-plagued cesspools designed by Marxists and the rate plummets. The problem isn't guns, it's Marxism. (Message edited by blake on September 27, 2014) | ||
| Blake |
The chart that Bill posted shows the truth of that just stated above.  | ||
| Blake |
"If no one had a gun why would you need one?" To defend against malevolent thugs in greater numbers and/or greater strength. That such obvious elementary logic escapes so many is absolute proof of brainwashing. No one is that stupid. They've had to have been brainwashed. Freedom isn't free. It's understandable that those who allow their passion/rage to dictate their behavior don't want to carry a firearm for fear they'd end up shooting someone. Good call! However, such criminally predisposed characters should not ascribe their own deep character shortcomings to others. The elites in the UK have their well-armed personal security protection. So to the leftist oligarchs the world over. They see no reason to afford commoners the same privilege. Disgusting. Repugnant. Oppression. Tyranny. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Equality has nothing to do with rape!" Try to stay focused. In the context of firearm ownership (which is what we're talking about) having a gun makes a woman equally capable of defending herself as a man of equal size and physical strength of the attacker. The gun is the great equalizer. You said that women don't need guns in a civilized society like England, so I posted rape statistics that show otherwise. Women in England would be well served by having the ability to defend themselves with a firearm. | ||
| Sifo |
"Equality has nothing to do with rape!" Try to stay focused. Hootowl, Keep in mind you are dealing with someone who said this about himself... I'm just glad we don't have the same rights here in the UK. I'm sure if they did I'd have shot a few f**kers by now. Basically, he isn't that stable upstairs. Helps to make sense out of so many of his posts that really don't make sense. He is a creature who is controlled by emotion, not logic and reason. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Yep... much better than a place where only the nasty people have them. Have them illegally, which is a different ball game in a gunless society. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
"If no one had a gun why would you need one?" To defend against malevolent thugs in greater numbers and/or greater strength. That such obvious elementary logic escapes so many is absolute proof of brainwashing. No one is that stupid. They've had to have been brainwashed. It's as Patrick said, The percentage of bad violent people is tiny. Studies show repeat offenders are responsible for most violence which speaks to the justice system. and the same applies to the UK. The nasty people with guns are an even smaller percentage when compared to their American counterparts committing gun crimes. Thus it's highly unlikely a person would have to defend themselves using a gun against armed malevolent thugs. Malevolent thugs aside, just armed nasty criminal types. Ain't gonna happen. It's lottery winning stakes of it did. Ok then it'll be argued women should carry guns so rape would be far less prevalent. It's a considered argument but rapists don't usually carry guns. More to the point, rapist don't just instruct their victims to open their legs so they can get on with raping them. They nearly always take them by surprise (some types of domestic rape aside), which present the counter, women would need to be holding a gun in their hands at the very least for guns to really protect them. It's understandable that those who allow their passion/rage to dictate their behavior don't want to carry a firearm for fear they'd end up shooting someone. Good call! I was exaggerating a sentiment for my country to not bear arms was all. Otherwise you're implying I really would shoot somebody. You know me a lot lot better than that Blake. You're just playing to the gallery now. However, such criminally predisposed characters should not ascribe their own deep character shortcomings to others. Give it up. It isn't a reality so stop trying to make it sound so. The elites in the UK have their well-armed personal security protection. By elites I'm assuming you mean high ranking Royals and some MP's, who are all protected by police. No one else has armed personal security protection that I'm aware of. Please enlighten me if you know different. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Have them illegally, which is a different ball game in a gunless society. Error. not gunless. the bad guys have guns. that's defenseless society. And as repeatedly stated above, if you magically made all guns go away, the big, the nasty, and the thugs with gangs would rule. Like most of the last 14 thousand years... Until Sam Colt made repeating pistols and freed women, small men and cripples from fear. I have to get over to the Ukraine thread, Putin is going to help Iraq. | ||
| D_adams |
Dude, that's the f*cking point! The ONLY thing that will stop an evil/bad man is a good man with a gun. It does not matter if they're armed with a gun or not, bad or evil people will find a way to do harm to those weaker than themselves. Period. There is no such thing as a "gunless society", the bad guys will find a way to get them, we as citizens MUST arm ourselves against them, whether we have to use them or not. End of discussion. Don't like it, go home and stay there, this is our playground if you will. Liberal pantywaists need not stick around. We as a group can talk to you until we're blue in the face, none of it will get through to you until the day you get assaulted with deadly force and by then, it will unfortunately be too damn late. I hope that day never comes, but if it does, remember what was told to you in plain, simple english. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Try to stay focused. I was. I brought the subject of nations and guns. I didn't bring up rape, which leads to your next comment...... In the context of firearm ownership (which is what we're talking about) having a gun makes a woman equally capable of defending herself as a man of equal size and physical strength of the attacker. The gun is the great equalizer. You said that women don't need guns in a civilized society like England, so I posted rape statistics that show otherwise. Women in England would be well served by having the ability to defend themselves with a firearm. So you know when a woman gets dragged into the bushes by a knife wielding rapist, at what point does she go fer her gun? Yeah I can see how arming women is going to prevent rape  What will more likely happen is baddies will attack women knowing they've guns they can steal. They might just rape them also! Ludicrous to think guns can protect women from rape. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Basically, he isn't that stable upstairs. Helps to make sense out of so many of his posts that really don't make sense. He is a creature who is controlled by emotion, not logic and reason. What you really mean is you've failed constantly to convince me why I should listen to much of what you say. Though I do understand your frustration. If I had a gun I'd put you out of your misery. You know, me being unstable upstairs and all  Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Error. not gunless. the bad guys have guns. Which is what I said if you could read English. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Dude, that's the f*cking point! If you grasp what I've said about our two nations differences, and the baddies having guns, please explain to me how the British model works as well as it does in holding down gun crime when the same cannot be said relatively of the U.S. model in comparison. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
End of discussion. Don't like it, go home and stay there, this is our playground if you will. I am at home. With respect, I thought I was arguing the merits of my country not having its citizens armed, and in that not attempting to criticise the U.S. model for allowing its citizens such rights. Which of course is tough to do. You know, not criticise. What, with the veracity of some gun toting psychos here, it's hard not to Rocket in England | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Ludicrous to think guns can protect women from rape It is ludicrous for you to make a statement like that. You know, the internet is permanent. You might want to delete that post lest you be mocked for all eternity. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ok then it'll be argued women should carry guns so rape would be far less prevalent. It's a gradual approach, but it works. I personally favor the approach that any man actually caught committing rape, an unfortunately rare thing, should not be sent to trial. I leave to your imagination the appropriate way of discussing their failings as a human and a man. Men convicted of rape should be sent to special prisons for sexual crimes. Forever. Men convicted of child rape should never, ever, ever be allowed out. Out of what, I leave to your imagination. Let's just say there are some nice islands off the north coast of Alaska peacefully inhabited by Fluffy Happy Fun Polar Bears. Smearing the child molesters with honey as you drop them off to live in harmony with nature is suggested. Yes, rapist don't usually use guns. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
It is quite laughable really. On the one hand you take your guns and the rights to own them so seriously. You talk of guns like you have degrees as gunsmiths. Then on the other hand you act like spoiled kids when someone pipes in about the dark side of gun ownership like someone just took your favourite toy away. Bless  Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
It is ludicrous for you to make a statement like that. You know, the internet is permanent. You might want to delete that post lest you be mocked for all eternity. Ask yourself where and how most UK rapes take place, then explain to me how a woman is supposed to use a gun to defend herself from rape. Would that be before the fella's got his dick out, or right around the time he gets hard? Or maybe it's when he tells her he's gonna rape her just before he grabs her from behind when she's least expecting it. Get the f**k real. A gun is only as good as having a finger on the trigger. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Cool video, but MOST rapists don't come knocking. Thanks for supporting my observations. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Actually several of us have degrees or certificates as gunsmiths. Some of us have worked on larger weapon systems. Some of those defend England. Some of us are wondering why. Not me, though. I'm a bit of an anglophile even though our Premier is a Brit hater. I do admit I like some of the other parts of the Empire a bit better. It's amazing how your combination of ignorance, childish belief in slave state propaganda, and lack of common sense combine to create the perfect mouthpiece for the most evil people on Earth. I'm surprised you aren't the Foreign Minister. ( I don't know who the Brit FM is, I say that because the Premier's choice for the US Secretary of State is a treasonous parasite..... Not saying you are a parasite.! ) | ||
| Aesquire |
act like spoiled kids when someone pipes in about the dark side of gun ownership like someone just took your favourite toy away. No, Freedom loving citizens under assault on a daily basis by lying neo-Marxist slave state promoters. Like our Premier. It's not that we are sensitive, it's that we hear the same lies over and over. Despite Goebbels, repetition does not make a lie true. You repeat a lot of falsehoods and propaganda points. All from the most murderous folk. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Rocket Most of the folks on this board are gunsmiths. I won my first national medals at the National Rifle Matches with a rifle I built my self. Gun control has made the Uk the most violent nation in the world. Your statement about how its a good thing that there are no guns in Britain is the source of the bedwetting liberals gun control freaks opinions here. YOU have no discipline and would attack others with a gun for no reason on a bad day. Good know you lack the basic ability to be a member of a civilized society! As for your society blaming guns for crime Hell governments kill more of their own citizens that crime does! Armed population equals a free society disarmed population equals slavery. News Flash the rest of us do not suffer from the liberal mental instability. Unlike liberals we are rational effective and when pushed to combat very deadly not because we are up set but because its a rational logical decision. | ||
| Aesquire |
Gun control has made the Uk the most violent nation in the world. I have to call you on that one. ISIS is the most violent country, Darfour, Syria, all the Jihad countries beat England. England has had one of the most dramatic increases in violent crime, which can be tracked directly with bad weapon control laws. But not the most violent by far. No argument with the rest of your post. Some would say that it was a bit of a personal attack on someone who did say he'd be a mass murdering fiend if he wasn't restrained. Might want to watch that. I skirt the edges of that too often, sorry. | ||
| Kenm123t |
I mean In real countries ISIS has not formed a real government Junta is what they have at present. Self admitted to wanting to shoot some one just because makes you Wonder if they have Demoncratic Libtard Moon bats in the UK As Kirk said I am a killer and a barbarian" BUT I WILL NOT KILL TODAY" Is that His mantra? Determination of my God given rights will not be done based on the actions of the mentally Ill |
