| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
Rocket, you are getting to that point where discussion with you is pointless. This was your statement... Seems most opinion (not all) here has the cop ok to shoot and kill when the whole story could not yet be known here. I'm not sure that anyone has said it was OK for the cop to shoot the kid. I would like to see you back up that claim though. Preferably not by pulling something out of context too. I don't think you can. Funny thing but an ignorant person \i(could) say that he was stealing from a store. That's all I need to know. Of course it will be quickly argued that the cop didn't know that. But some how the idea that all you need to know is that he was unarmed, and that's all you need to know makes sense to some. It's worth recognizing that the cop didn't know that. We do at this point know that these two young adults were willing to risk their lives to steal a cheap box of cigars. It' pretty clear to me that they weren't in a state of mind where they were making the best of decisions. I see on the news today that BO is having the DOJ report directly to him on this case. WHY? | ||
| Aesquire |
Because Barry wants to exploit the crisis. He isn't asking for who's fault the looting is, right? No one seems to ask that one. | ||
| Sifo |
But what about the young kids that will be gunned down this weekend in Chicago? Why doesn't he care to have the DOJ investigate any of those killings? Never mind. It's supposed to be rhetorical. | ||
| Aesquire |
Because in his heart he supports Sanger? Just a guess. He's never talked about eugenics..... no one does anymore. They just continue the genocide because the tactics are so effective. Google Sanger's comments in England on reducing the inferior breeds. | ||
| Aesquire |
Sorry Sifo...... it sucks when sarcastic questions about authoritarians actually have answers. Really obvious ones. Like "why doesn't Congress Subpoena the NSA for the IRS emails?" Because they would just lie more. | ||
| Sifo |
Seriously, why was he literally, right in the middle of the street?  | ||
| Sifo |
This video sure seems to back the Officer's statement that there was a struggle, Brown took of running, then turned back toward the officer again prompting him to fire multiple times. I'm beginning to expect the autopsy to confirm this as a likely sequence of events too. A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer Of course it will be interesting to see what the results of our activist Attorney General comes up with. Justice Department to conduct independent autopsy of Missouri shooting victim REALLY? How is this even federal jurisdiction? | ||
| D_adams |
http://concealednation.org/2014/08/warning-graphic -video-new-eyewitness-video-paints-different-pictu re-of-michael-brown-shooting/
Just wish that commentary had been in clear, plain English. | ||
| Sifo |
Meanwhile, in Chicago, we call it the weekend... Shootings leave 3 dead, 16 wounded | ||
| Reindog |
Holder, Sharpton and the mayor of Chicago are vile, pernicious racists. When will people of all colors wake up and say no more to the division that Obama creates to shore up his fiefdom? Obama is literally tearing our country apart. | ||
| Reindog |
Reepicheep said it best. I am not sure that the police over reacted in their response to the looting mob but I am dead opposed for the police to have military grade equipment. The very existence of MRAPs in a police force consciously or subconsciously separates law enforcement from the very people they serve. Police can over react, right Pwnzor? | ||
| Sifo |
What's not being well reported in the news is the store owners who are protecting their property as allowed by the second amendment. Ferguson Chaos: Store Owners Arm themselves as Police do Nothing to Stop Looters from Burning Stores And people question the need for "high capacity" magazines. THIS is why. | ||
| Blake |
Fomenting revolution is what Holder and Obama appear to be up to. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Ummm... Yeah. | ||
| D_adams |
Ferguson, Cause and Effect.    They don't even bother mentioning .223/5.56 ammo, but I know for sure there was at least 4-5k rounds of that alone there last week prior to the "demonstrating"/rioting/looting. | ||
| D_adams |
Glad I bought most of what I needed before-hand, along with more reloading supplies the week prior to all this crap happening. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I like the EBR shirt photobomb in that last picture.  | ||
| Sifo |
Morning news said that the autopsy showed that Brown was shot at least 6 times. All in the front, none in the back. Physical evidence seems to be backing the cops story and showing the thug/accomplice to be a flat out liar. | ||
| D_adams |
Totally accidental photobomb there, but I have enough of them to wear and not put the same one on for weeks. Before it gets taken down elsewhere, prelim autopsy pic/report. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-OS3pUcjRCHQ/U_H w15Rh3II/AAAAAAAACs4/5M_3nbDvoJo/w534-h740-no/SUB- JP-BROWN-2-superJumbo.jpg | ||
| Hootowl |
If the cop had been a better marksman, he could have shot him once. But now he's shot an unarmed man six times. That doesn't play in the press very well, especially when the eye witness is a liar. As I stated towards the beginning of this thread, I hope the coroner's office can shed some objective light on what really happened. And they have. | ||
| Reepicheep |
You know things are getting bad when the .17 is gone (because nobody wants it) and the 12 gauge is gone (because there is apparently a bazillion rounds available everywhere). From the cornors report:
Holder, of course, ordered another autopsy. And after that one presumably came to a similar conclusion, ordered a ***third*** autopsy. Before the family autopsy. I wish I could trust the department of justice enough to believe they just want to get to the truth. The currently politicized and secretive department with Holder at it's head has made that impossible though. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Weren't six shots fired? So one in the top of the head (the fatal one). But four out of six into one arm? How on earth does that happen? Nobody could hold that kind of group with a non full automatic under those kinds of circumstances. Regardless of if the guy is charging or guy standing still. That arm is going to move after the first shot. Unless the guy has pretty much got his right hand or arm more or less in contact with the gun, and the cop is just firing away in the midst of what is at that point pretty much a wrestling match, or the guy was already incapacitated on the ground, in which case there would be pretty obvious physical evidence on the asphalt (a 9mm is going to have more than enough kintetic energy left after going through an arm to leave an obvious and persistent mark in asphalt or even concrete). Cops need to wear cameras all the time, for the sake of the people, and the sake of the cops themselves. | ||
| Fredfast |
"Morning news said that the autopsy showed that Brown was shot at least 6 times. All in the front, none in the back. Physical evidence seems to be backing the cops story and showing the thug/accomplice to be a flat out liar." You conveniently fail to mention that it wasn't at close range. Nice try. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Hootowl, this is real life not TV. Some points to consider in no particular order: 1. It is hard to shoot a handgun accurately while under stress. It's hard to shoot a handgun accurately when not under stress. 2. If the threat is still moving at you, you keep shooting until it isn't moving anymore. A person can close the gap of 25 or 30 feet very quickly. 3. Guarantee he was point shooting and not using his sights, relying on muscle memory from training to get that gun pointed at the target. 4. Most use of force policies say that an officer can use deadly physical force to prevent death and serious physical injury. So therefore a officer does not have be solely facing imminent death to fire his weapon or use other deadly force. In other words the fact that he may have been "unarmed" has varying degrees of relevance based on the totality of the circumstances (Message edited by johnnylunchbox on August 18, 2014) | ||
| Reindog |
I was physically robbed in San Francisco where the perpetrator held me in a neck lock with one arm and his other arm was in his pocket suggesting he had a weapon. The point is that I didn't know whether this thug had a weapon or not but I felt my life was in danger. He would have been justifiably shot. The officer who shot Brown did not know that Brown was unarmed. | ||
| Reindog |
Truly sad.  | ||
| D_adams |
And quite honestly, it doesn't really matter, the thug had just hit the officer, left and was apparently returning to do more damage. I would have probably kept shooting as well until he was no longer a threat. | ||
| Reepicheep |
We are armchair quarterbacks trying to understand the facts of the case as we learn them. Fred, you are a dogmatic bigot who decided what he believes first, and is twisting the facts to support your pre-conceived view. Anyone who has taken a self defense class, and most certainly any police officer, understands that someone less than 20 feet from you is likely to reach you before you can effectively deploy a gun. So it depends on what "close range" is. If it was less than 20 feet, then the distance was already effectively close quarters for someone charging. | ||
| Fredfast |
"Fred, you are a dogmatic bigot who decided what he believes first, and is twisting the facts to support your pre-conceived view." All you guys have a pre-conceived notion that the officer was justified in shooting the unarmed victim without knowing the facts. Who is the bigot here? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Primarily you, Fred. Bigotry: bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. Most of us here, the moment we found that out the detainee was shot in the back from 25 feet via trustworthy forensic evidence, would not only be saying the cop was a murderer, but demanding he be treated as such and prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law because it was done under the cloak of law enforcement authority. Fred, what fact could come forward that would make you decide this was a justified shooting by the police officer? |
