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     Sifo |
Seems most opinion (not all) here has the cop ok to shoot and kill when the whole story could not yet be known here. I think you misread what is being said. There is simply argument against the statement that there's no way the cop was justified. The fact that he had just robbed a store does matter. Even though the cop didn't know that, the robber knew that. Do you think that may just possibly make him do something that a normal person wouldn't do in that situation. He also had no idea that the cop didn't know about the robbery yet. Right now all we really have is the cops story vs. the robbers accomplice's story. Either could be true. Eventually physical evidence should support one more than the other. If he was shot in the back as claimed by the second thug, then the cop has real troubles. The cops injury(s) will also tell a story. Meanwhile folks are just pointing out the troll's statement is ridiculous. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Kid was walking in the road,... cop asked him to move...they didn't. Kid got verbally hostile. Cop obliged. After the cop was hit in the face with a giant brick fist,... he suffered a major concussion... he was dazed...could not see well... excruciating pain.... worried he would be hit again and/or pass out and then be shot with his own gun... (the kid tried to take it already) he ended the situation. Tragic ending. The reason extra shots... I don't know, seems believable either way at this point. Real reason to fire extra shots?: 1. Kid not going down and still coming at cop. 2. Cop is trigger happy. (possible, but odds are unlikely) Forensics will help determine the story. Either way, I hope justice is served. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Lets save some state and federal money and destruction from rioting..., how about we water-board the cop AND the accomplice until one spills the beans on what really happened? No one else gets hurt. (except the guilty party) | ||
| Reepicheep |
I expect a full investigation. Until then, if you asked me to guess or I guess in my own head, I'm going to guess it was unlikely (but not impossible) that a cop with 6 years experience and a clear history would choose to execute a citizen on the street for being black. Likewise, if forced to guess with the limited information I have, I'd say an individual who had very recently committed robbery and assault might have committed another robbery and assault. Perhaps because he makes really bad decisions. Call me a nut. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated though. And it doesn't justify a miltary police force. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Were there any riots, looting, or mass unrest the last time an unarmed white person was shot by a policeman? | ||
| Fredfast |
That comment is really the issue now isn't it? It warrants a discussion of: Gun culture in this country Race relations in this country Poverty in this country If you go even deeper you might even conclude that this society will be haunted by the sins of slavery forever. Those here tend to judge an issue only on its surface. Feel free to comment. | ||
| Sifo |
This does raise a certain racial question that I've had for a long time now. Why is it that people of a certain racial background seem to think it's somehow acceptable to walk in the middle of a busy road? It's kind of ridiculous how often you hear of them getting run over in Chicago. From what I can tell it appears to be some sort of act of defiance. Defiance of whom, I'm not really sure. It used to be something that you pretty much only saw in the city. Now it's common out in the burbs too, at least in those "ethnically diverse" areas, sometimes known as section 8 housing. Had these two not been doing that, the cop in question would never have had reason to give them a second look. No, it doesn't justify getting shot, but somehow something very minor escalated into a fatal shooting. That's not likely to happen when both sides are acting in a rational manner. | ||
| Fredfast |
"Why is it that people of a certain racial background seem to think it's somehow acceptable to walk in the middle of a busy road?" That statement doesn't deserve comment. Reminds me of the time someone told me that dogs are aggressive toward African-Americans because of their odor. (Message edited by fredfast on August 16, 2014) | ||
| Sifo |
And yet it's exactly what lead to the current situation. Nope, not worth commenting on. | ||
| Aesquire |
Sifo, as a guy who has worked in a variety of neighborhoods I can tell you "race" has nothing to do with the middle of the road walking phenom. It's culture. The dependent class kids simply are not taught the basic survival skills to get through life. Not by their single mom or by their absent sperm donor or by their mom's boyfriend. Certainly not the schools that are dumbed down to cater to and perpetuate the permanent underclass. ( yes I am using the Marxist language of the racists that create these things ) Some kids and some fewer parents go ahead and learn despite the system. They tend to escape the oppressed 'hoods and are often vilified as sellouts or uncle toms ( if black ) I bet many people you admire are escapees from the leftist oppression who did learn how to learn and not to walk down the middle of the road. Maybe tomorrow I'll do a rant on hoodies and how they are a plot to kill youthful morons who walk down train tracks with earphones. (Message edited by aesquire on August 16, 2014) | ||
| Sifo |
I have to agree that it's a culture thing. A couple of decades back though, you didn't see this in the burbs at all. I did see it in Chicago's south side areas though. When it came to the burbs, it was only the blacks. It still is mostly the blacks, but you are now seeing it more with Hispanics and whites. The whites you see doing it tend to be obvious wannabes. Funny thing that to even mention something like this gets a very negative reaction from the progressives. This is especially odd given that it is this exact behavior that lead to the cop paying any attention to these two on the day in question. It's very relevant. Taboo, but relevant. | ||
| Fredfast |
"It's culture." You liberal you. | ||
| Sifo |
I thing Fredrika is confusing blaming society with blaming a culture. I wonder if he/she knows the difference? | ||
| Ourdee |
I don't usually go here. But, I'll make an exception this time. FRED, SHUT UP ! | ||
| Aesquire |
No, just like a stopped clock is right twice a day ( if analog, not a 24 hour military clock etc. ) FF is right. I'm a Liberal. I doubt he knows what that means, which puts him in the same camp as Rush Limbaugh. ( not bleeding heart, though. I take meds for that ) | ||
| Hootowl |
I too am a classical liberal. | ||
| Aesquire |
This isn't the proper place to discuss how the Progressive Marxists stole the good name of Liberalism and perverted the ideas of equal rights and justice for all no matter the skin color or religious preference and turned it into an authoritarian oppressive intolerant death cult, but it is a subject very relevant to the looting in the wake of a well advertised police shooting. I still don't know the facts of the shooting, and will wait until after the hearings, the rejection of the hearing's results, and the looting to follow. Sifo, the "thug life" copycat bit among middle to upper class honkey teens has been around a while. It's envy ( stupid envy, but programmed ) and fashion. Some years back big poofy "down look" jackets were the fashion statement. They let the criminals more easily conceal a handgun shoved in the waistband Hollywood style. ( since buying a holster for your stolen pistol never seems to have occurred to them ) This was funny as heck to me in summer. I mocked a kid one time and explained that since he looked on purpose like a criminal hiding a gun, his odds of getting harassed by the police were quite high, since they know exactly what the fashion is all about. "If you want to get jacked around by a cop, enjoy. Better not carry any thing you don't want to get busted for..... " THAT gave him pause. I wasn't joking about the Hoodie bit, it seems we lose a couple kids a year in the region walking on train tracks, hood up, music blasting, oblivious to the vibration, and they don't ever see the train that smears them into oblivion. I don't know if it's worse when its a slow train on twisty track or not..... the darn things just cannot stop on a dime. | ||
| Fredfast |
Look, everybody's coming out. I knew if I was persistent enough, I could find them. | ||
| Sifo |
"If you want to get jacked around by a cop, enjoy. Better not carry any thing you don't want to get busted for..... " THAT gave him pause. Exactly. I don't want to get into a blame the victim thing here, but this kid would still be alive had he learned and followed that simple lesson. If you then look at what a reasonable person might believe at that point, it becomes a short leap to believe that he may have willingly encouraged encounters with police. | ||
| Fredfast |
So what was he carrying? Oh yeah, a box of cigars. | ||
| D_adams |
That he just got done STEALING from a liquor store you dumb a$$. | ||
| Aesquire |
The whole thing about a box of cigars? heck of a thing to cost so much. I don't know where the decision tree for which person went bad in the initial shooting. What & Who's decision tree led to the looting? We got any clues about that? | ||
| Fredfast |
"That he just got done STEALING from a liquor store you dumb a$$." So dick head, if you've been following, the cop didn't know that. | ||
| Fredfast |
http://news.msn.com/us/gov-declares-emergency-impo ses-curfew-in-ferguson Is this guy related to the Nixon who shot those kids at Kent State? | ||
| Hootowl |
All the national guard soldiers who shot those kids were named Nixon? Pretty big coincidence if that's true. Oh, I see what you did there. Pretty lame. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Pwnzor |
I wonder what percentage of the black community considers that guy an uncle Tom, or maybe a race traitor... sellout? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I think you misread what is being said. No I didn't. There is simply argument against the statement that there's no way the cop was justified. No there's a lot more than that being said. Perhaps you misread what I said (no doubt on purpose  ) As I said, it appears there are some here who are of the opinion the cop was justified in shooting. This before the facts are known. Get it? Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/385439/looks -kill-kevin-d-williamson We've discussed the "look like a criminal fashion" and how it's an attractive nuisance, like a swimming pool. ( you are required to fence in a pool, because it attracts people too young to be responsible ) Wearing a hoodie is not banned, even though it attracts attention from people too responsible to be young. BUT what's good for the Goose.... You wear storm trooper gear expect to be treated like storm troopers. Sure, if you have to hold a riot line, armor up, get on the gas masks and helmets with rock shields. You want to patrol downtown Democrat Ghetto? You don't make friends and get good results if it looks like you work for Darth Vader and not the citizens of the Republic. And any cop who breaks down a door in the middle of the night with a black mask on and/or no Badge visible from the front should expect that him getting shot for armed invasion is justified...... and DON"T DO IT. Any guesses an who started the Riots? Is that reported at all? | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.steynonline.com/6524/cigars-but-not-close  Not acceptable behavior. Not from the Cops, not from the looters, and not from the press. |
