| Author | Message | ||
     No_rice |
Is that Flick in the back in the Black shirt with his arms crossed? somewhat looks like it doesnt it, but the pic is a little to fuzzy to be sure. honestly i dont think it is. | ||
| Sifo |
I have to ask...and hopefully someone here smarter has an answer. Why are they still selling the RS as-is? Or aren't they? RX: More power More torque More fuel efficiency (?) LED? headlight w/ fancy en vogue LED strips Traction control Nicer looking UI RS: Magnesium wheels Ohlins suspension 30 lbs lighter Now granted, 30 lbs is a LOT of weight to lose...but still, it seems like all the RX's upgrades need to be applied to the RS in order to justify it's 221% price premium. Even then, it's a tough sell in my eyes. Don't mention exclusivity... That said, the RX is dead sexy. I'd happily put one in my garage if I had the money. Isn't the RS intended to be pretty much an almost race ready bike for the racers? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
hard to tell, But that would be great. | ||
| Boney95 |
I'm waiting for the SX...plastice isn't my thing. I'm not sure what to think about it yet, just know that I wouldn't/couldn't drop 21.5k otd for it. Much props to EBR for getting this whole thing really rolling. 101lbs, and 185hp is crazy, same as the 1290 SD. | ||
| 1324 |
Sifo, perhaps. However, I know it was sold a street bike for homologation purposes. So, it might be more racer oriented...but the RS and RX are in the same market, and the RX has a few very desirable features...unless you plan to strip it all off and race it. | ||
| No_rice |
sucks about the traction control, but with 21 levels of adjustment, hopefully one of those levels is an off button... | ||
| Hughlysses |
Yes, it can be turned off: http://rideapart.com/2013/10/2014-ebr-1190rx-first -photos-and-specs/ | ||
| Froggy |
Yes it can be turned off, if somehow you are able to tame 102 ft lbs. | ||
| Hootowl |
Neat. It has Tuber-esque spring loaded foot pegs  | ||
| Sifo |
So, it might be more racer oriented...but the RS and RX are in the same market, and the RX has a few very desirable features...unless you plan to strip it all off and race it. And I think it is meant to be stripped and raced. No doubt some will be ridden on the street, but you need to be able to afford a very expensive toy for that. Like you say, the RX is more suited to that purpose at about half the price. If not for homologation, I don't think they would have bothered. With homologation behind them, they can now focus on making more real world bikes, though they are still in the upper fringe area with the RX. I wish I could be more excited about this, but it's just not even close to what I would desire. Impressive it is though. | ||
| Nukeblue |
maybe i missed it, any idea when we'll see the ax? | ||
| 1324 |
And I think it is meant to be stripped and raced. No doubt some will be ridden on the street, but you need to be able to afford a very expensive toy for that. Like you say, the RX is more suited to that purpose at about half the price. If not for homologation, I don't think they would have bothered. The only counter I would make to that logic is that if I were racing an 1190, I'd buy the RX. I can buy two RX's for the price of one RS, and I'm going to throw the street plastics in the corner and add track plastics. Or, if I buy one, that extra $23k buys a lot of suspension, parts, spares, and tires. I'll just be surprised to see the RS remain in the lineup is all... | ||
| No_rice |
Yes it can be turned off, if somehow you are able to tame 102 ft lbs. dont really see that being a problem. | ||
| Sifo |
I'll just be surprised to see the RS remain in the lineup is all... And that's a distinct possibility. Then EBR would be back to a single bike company though. That's like one step forward, one step back. Sortof. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Wow wow wow. I'm looking through the slideshow screenshots... I don't even want that kind of bike, and I want that bike. Wow. | ||
| 1324 |
And that's a distinct possibility. Then EBR would be back to a single bike company though. That's like one step forward, one step back. Sortof. I'd emphasize the sortof. $19k puts this bike solidly in the competition for of the Panigale 1199 (aside from lack of ABS)...though I believe the RX is heavier with slightly less power. If I had $20k for a sportbike, I'd give this a lot of thought - if I can find a dealer I trust. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
The RS is still being shown on ebr.com. It doesn't make any sense the RX makes more power than the RS. (Message edited by ferris_von_bueller on October 16, 2013) | ||
| Hughlysses |
Interesting weight comparison someone posted at advrider. I have not verified any of this, but it sounds reasonable: CBR1000RR: 439 Pounds fully fueled ZX-10R: 432 Wet R1: 454 lb fully fueled GSXR 1000: 448 wet S1000RR: 458 Wet RSV4R: 405 DRY RC8: 442 Wet 1199: 414 CURB | ||
| Hughlysses |
Another article: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/614/17212/Motorcycle -Article/2014-EBR-1190RX-First-Look.aspx Interesting: EBR dealerships will sell 4 Hero models. | ||
| 1324 |
The RS is still being shown on ebr.com. It doesn't make any sense the RX makes more power than the RS. Why not? Take a look at some of those photo'd slides in the EBR forum showing the engine and exhaust. Swirl combusion and a tuned exhaust (those secondary pipes are a LOT bigger than the RS') could pick up another 10 hp. | ||
| Froggy |
Hopefully one of them is the the hybrid! | ||
| Reepicheep |
For $18k, you get the killer performing bike that everyone else can get. For $40k, you get the killer performing bike that only 99 other only planet can own. Why are people confused? Is $40k high? Sure. But its roughly the cost of a freaking minivan these days. Surely there are 99 people on the planet other than you that want an exclusive exotic piece of history, and for whom $40k is background noise. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Awesome data Hugh... can you put it in a table and add list price? I don't know how it would stack up, it would be rally interesting. | ||
| 1324 |
Why are people confused? Is $40k high? Sure. But its roughly the cost of a freaking minivan these days. Surely there are 99 people on the planet other than you that want an exclusive exotic piece of history, and for whom $40k is background noise. Why am I confused? Easy. At a 221% premium, it's hard to swallow for the content. 30 lbs is a serious diet, but the supporting hardware doesn't justify the premium. Special edition? I'd be surprised if this bike didn't turn into a special edition on it's own. I sincerely hope these bikes sell like hot cakes...but the fact is 'the masses' don't have $19k for a sportbike. The shoppers that do are looking at bikes like the RSV4 (a lot cheaper) and the Panignale (competition in some trims). Both of those bikes get a lot of credit at the local Starbucks, and speaking on behalf of Ducati, don't pay all the bills. Market share is dominated by full-on sportbikes. I might be the only one who is confused (or cares), so I'm willing to accept the fact that perhaps I'm out of touch. It's just that the RS doesn't seem like as much of a dream bike to me anymore. For all intents and purposes, the RX looks the same (though I like the headlight better). Having extra power and TC are perks. And like I said earlier, I have a hard time believing someone would buy an RS over an RX. Want to be exclusive? Buy two RX's... CBR1000RR: 439 Pounds fully fueled ZX-10R: 432 Wet R1: 454 lb fully fueled GSXR 1000: 448 wet S1000RR: 458 Wet RSV4R: 405 DRY RC8: 442 Wet 1199: 414 CURB I've seen 424 listed as the WET weight for the 1199. I haven't weighed it to know for sure, but that is a big difference! | ||
| Froggy |
http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Shorai +LFX(TM)+Batteries+Named+Official+Battery+in+Erik+Buel l+Racing%26apos%3Bs+All-New+Street+Legal+Sport+Bik e/8782495.html Looks like they come with Shorai batteries stock. Hopefully they figured out all the issues with them so they don't explode or leave you stranded when they don't start. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I wonder who the official bolt supplier is ? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Selling them is not the issue.... FINANCING them is. HDFI /aka EagleMark has NOT been kind in interest, down, or cap value to the last several I have submitted. They will NEED a FRIENDLY lending entity for this bike. OK, I am only slightly embarrassed to post this but 18,995? That is about 1600.00 LESS than what I will have paid for my 06' XB12X! (bought new in March 08') Will be roughly $20,664.00!! (it matures this coming March 2014) I have been being raped with interest for past 72 months!! I should have never signed on the dotted line but now that it is almost over, I am still glad I did. It's been rough at times but I am almost there! (I obviously had bad credit back then, low 500's and didn't think I would even get approved, but when it did..., I didn't care and signed for it ASAP!) I wonder what they (EBR Financing) would give me as a tradin?? (lol, I guess I will be keeping it for a while!) | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Basically, as a 1.5 pack a day former smoker, the bike was my "quit smoking present" to myself, my would-be cigarette money is what is paying for the bike. In general, I still consider myself WINNING.  | ||
| Sifo |
I'll just be surprised to see the RS remain in the lineup is all... Rethinking that a bit, what's to stop them from continuing the RS, doing what every manufacturer does from time to time, updating the line for the next year. Surely they can offer the RS with the same tune as the RX, or even hotter. Has anything been released on what hp the bikes? I'm willing to bet that the RX isn't at those levels. What do I know? I think my XB is cool. And that's a distinct possibility. Then EBR would be back to a single bike company though. That's like one step forward, one step back. Sortof. I'd emphasize the sortof. $19k puts this bike solidly in the competition for of the Panigale 1199 (aside from lack of ABS)...though I believe the RX is heavier with slightly less power. If I had $20k for a sportbike, I'd give this a lot of thought - if I can find a dealer I trust. I didn't mean anything against the bike with that comment. Simply pointing out that without the RS, they are a one bike company again. Nothing wrong with being a "boutique" brand. Ducati does it quite well. Even Ducati offers lower budget entrance into their boutique brand though. It will be interesting to see how the Hero line is dealt with. I'm not sure they fit with a boutique brand. I'm not ready to make any predictions on how it works out. I am paying some attention though. Certainly wishing the best for EBR. It's just that at the moment EBR makes nothing for me, and I'm not convinced that a Hero is an EBR either. I guess I'm happy to like the bikes in my garage! | ||
| Rex |
Any other models shown? naked, uly type, Hero motorcycles? |
